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Why I‘ll Never Make It

Patrick Oliver Jones

The actor’s journey is one of occasional highs and frequent lows. It is a path riddled with self-doubt and frustration as we question our career choices, wondering if we’ll ever really ”make it.” But it is those few moments of glory on stage or screen that can sustain us through all the setbacks and challenges. On this award-winning podcast, New York actor Patrick Oliver Jones invites fellow creatives to share three stories that offer a behind-the-scenes look at the creative life rarely seen in the

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33:49

Erin Cherry (Part 2) - An Actress Producing and...

Why I‘ll Never Make It ·

2021/02/12

In the second half of our conversation, Erin Cherry focuses on her weekly show Sundays with a Cherry on Top, a health and lifestyle show that showcases Black Culture in all its forms. She also joined playwright Mfoniso Udofia, Ngozi Anyanwu, and Chinyere Anyanwu as a founder producer of NOW Africa. This playwrights festival seeks to introduce, and sometimes reintroduce, artists and academics to the masters of African Dramatic Literature, both classic and contemporary. Thank you for joining me and

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29:57

Erin Cherry (Part 1) - This Emmy Winning Actress Can...

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2021/02/10

For almost a year now Actors have had very little in the way of exercising and using our creative muscles, so in this episode I wanted to remind us of the craft and joy of acting. As Black History Month continues here on the podcast, who better to discuss the ins and outs of acting with than Emmy-winning actress Erin Cherry. join.whyillnevermakeit.com Cherry, as she prefers to be called, coaches and teaches actors at Maggie Flanagan Studio in New York City. It’s a Meisner based acting program,

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36:21

Geoffrey Owens (Part 2) - The Trader Joe’s Photo and...

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2021/02/05

The life of any actor is one of going in and out of employment. But for Geoffrey Owens back in 2018, his side job was captured in a photo and spread across the Internet. In part two of our conversation for Black History Month, Geoffrey opens up about what led to his job at Trader Joe’s. We talk about the importance of work and how hard it can be for Actors to find it. join.whyillnevermakeit.com Follow Geoffrey: Website / Instagram / IMDB ————— Season 5 brings with it a new ways connect with me

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36:01

Geoffrey Owens (Part 1) - So Much More Than Just...

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2021/02/03

Throughout his career Geoffrey Owens has been an actor, director, and teacher. But for more than 35 years he has been known as Elvin from The Cosby Show. As we kick off Black History Month here on the podcast I sat down with Geoffrey to talk about his own history as an actor, the lucky breaks that have come his way as well as the hardships he’s faced, the photo that surfaced in 2018 of him working at Trader Joe’s, and what it means to be so singularly identified with one

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28:26

Ashley Monique Menard (Part 2) - Writer and Comedian...

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2021/01/29

I think it’s fair to say that artist are an emotional bunch in general. We feel things deeply and react with conviction. And that goes for the wonderful and exciting emotions but also goes for the heavy and worrisome emotions as well. In part two of my conversation with Ashley Monique Menard, she reveals the yen and yang of her confidence and her self-doubt, she compares her dating life to Broadway, and has a few choice words for perfectionism. Join WINMI to listen to the Final Five episode:

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Ashley Monique Menard (Part 1) - Actress and Plus...

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2021/01/27

In theater or really in any performing art, we have certain genres or types of characters and stories that fit us better than others. And today’s guest Ashley Monique Menard found her niche in comedy. But often, even what we’re good at doesn’t really begin to blossom and grow until we really hone that craft and work on it. So in part one of our conversation we’ll talk a lot about that comedy, how it’s helped her find and strengthen her voice, but also how an honest assessment of her talents and

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35:53

Lauren Ober (Part 2) - How Podcasting Makes a Great...

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2021/01/22

As the host of NPR‘s the big listen, Lauren Ober was basically podcasting about podcasts and through that became a bona fide podcast expert. Maybe you’ve thought of starting your own podcast. In part two of our conversation, she takes us through her production process on Spectacular Failures and what it takes to make a great podcast. Join WINMI: Website / Memberships / Newsletter Thank you for joining me for part two of my conversation with Lauren Ober. Come back next week for for my discussion

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37:28

Lauren Ober (Part 1) - Podcaster, Journalist, and...

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2021/01/20

Here on Why I’ll Never Make It, we focus on the challenges and setbacks that artists face, but there is one podcast out there focusing on the Spectacular Failures of companies and organizations. Lauren Ober is the host and producer of that podcast and is also a journalist, a noted speaker, and voice coach. In part one of our conversation She and I discuss some of the parallels between being onstage and behind a mic, but we focus mainly on the rise and fall the big Broadway production company

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45:08

Justin Guarini (Part 2) - Lessons Learned from His...

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2021/01/15

Welcome back to part two of my conversation with Justin Guarini! He’s already shared pivotal moments from his childhood and given us a cautionary tale of his college experience. So we pick up with his decision to stick with American Idol instead of making his Broadway debut with The Lion King. Get Justin's book Audition Secrets and learn his tips and secrets to auditioning. Topics discussed in this episode: Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown Julie Andrews and her vocal

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39:11

Justin Guarini (Part 1) - His Bumpy Musical Journey...

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2021/01/13

Happy New Year to you! And welcome to the premiere episode of Season Five. Today’s guest is Justin Guarini, who you probably know from American Idol but has done so much more and has a lot to teach us about becoming an artist, finding our own path, and realizing that fame isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Get Justin's book Audition Secrets or possibly win a signed copy of this book by becoming a member of WINMI as a Maker, Producer, or Artist. Sign up for one of these memberships by January 31,

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40:15

Look Back at 2020 & the Last Final Five

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2020/12/28

A look back at the year that was unlike anything we hoped for or would ever imagine. Still, this podcast had its good moments and a plethora of fantastic guests. Here's just some of what you'll get in this end-of-the-year episode: Broadway Makers Alliance & Helium Radio Networks Season Recap and Top 5 Guests My two favorite episodes Season 5 Preview with Justin Guarini Final Five questions with Sammi Cannold Members-Only episodes ————— Follow WINMI: Instagram / Twitter / Website Donate to

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59:30

THE PROM Special Episode with Caitlin Kinnunen and...

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2020/12/25

Merry Christmas! :) In honor of the recent release of THE PROM movie on Netflix, here is a special combo episode of my conversations with star of the Broadway production, Caitlin Kinnunen (starts at 1:58), and one of the co-producers, Abigail Rose Solomon (starts at 35:18). Also, this holiday season don't miss the 12 Days of Auditions, available at donate.winmipodcast.com. Become a WINMI Producer and listen to former guests share their most memorable audition stories. Listen to Caitlin's full

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37:40

Sammi Cannold (Part 2) - Don’t Keep Your Distance...

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2020/12/18

Today’s episode is part two of my conversation with the final guest of Season 4. Sammi Cannold is a remarkable artist and director. She was even named to the 2019 Forbes List of 30 under 30 in entertainment for her innovative and unique approach to directing for the stage. And today’s conversation is going to be focusing on a few of those productions: her remarkable staging of the musical Violet on an actual bus AND her 2019 New York City Center Gala production of Evita. I have my own personal

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40:57

Sammi Cannold (Part 1) - Director Who Shows How...

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2020/12/16

Here we are at the final guest of Season Four... In part one of my conversation with New York director, Sammi Cannold shares the details of an article she wrote for The Stage, detailing how South Korean producers have made theater safe and possible for both creatives and audiences. While Sammi remains more diplomatic, I am not gentle in my rebuke of the Broadway League and Actors Equity, who have either kept silent for much of this pandemic or have actually been a hindrance to getting theater up and

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41:26

Christophe Zajac-Denek (Part 2) - Twin Peaks Actor...

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2020/12/11

In part one of my conversation with Christophe Zajac-Denek, he talked about growing up with dwarfism, his love of music and drumming, and how he just kind of fell into the world of acting on camera. For part two, we continue that journey with the movie and experience that had a profound impact on his life. As we start this episode Christophe has moved back to Michigan to go to music school and return to his first love of drumming, but life had other ideas for what Christophe needed to be

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50:50

Christophe Zajac-Denek (Part 1) - Little Person Actor...

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2020/12/09

If I’m being honest, I have never really met a little person. Maybe in passing, but never actually sat down and had a conversation with one. But once we got on Zoom, Christophe Zajac-Denek and I chatted for more than two hours and even then we still could’ve kept on talking. There were so many areas of his life and experience that were not only interesting but also inspiring. So this is actually just part one of that conversation. His fascinating story is such a departure from most conversations

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40:19

Cecy Treviño (Part 2) - Her BroadwayMania Actors and...

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2020/12/04

It's been one heck of a year, yet one arts group wanted to come together and make something to celebrate this season. They asked me to be a part of the event by hosting their Virtual Red Carpet. These interviews with the actors and creative team behind BroadwayMania's Holiday Special were first shown Thanksgiving weekend and led up to the hour-long Christmas program. Amanda Varelakis, singer/director (1:51) Sean Milas, singer (5:15) Amber Dickson, singer (9:38) Toby Blackwell, singer/writer

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Cecy Treviño (Part 1) - Founder and Artistic Director...

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2020/12/02

This past summer, as we were in the midst of massive theater shutdowns and summer season cancellations, I found BroadwayMania on Instagram. It was mostly videos of singers belting out show tunes, well-produced performances that were earnest and passionate. As I found out more about this organization and their mission to provide opportunities to performers around the world, I was truly captivated by their love of theater. While there are some professional artists in the group, many others come from

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WINMI Recommends: ”The Politics of Culture” on Left,...

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2020/11/30

When it comes to the arts, I aim to give as wide a field of experience and opinion as possible here on the podcast. Yet for the most part I steer clear of politics. This is for a few reasons, but the main two are that I don’t want to add to the already divisive nature of some political activism and I want the content of this podcast to be as relevant today as it will be a year or more from now. Causes come and go, elected officials also change regularly (as does their rhetoric and positions on key

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12:19

FINAL FIVE: Kristen Hetzel, Team USA

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2020/11/27

Thanks for coming back to join me and Kristen Hetzel again! This is a bonus episode to the previous conversation, where we cover topics and five specific questions that we didn’t address on the last episode. Today, Kristen talks about her athletic and acting bucket lists and shares wisdom from her Aunt Zee. The time and expense needed to bring these guests and conversations to you each week is sometimes challenging but always rewarding. Subscribe to get access to bonus episodes and extra

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