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The NAVigator

Active Investment Company Alliance

The NAVigator, from the Active Investment Company Alliance (AICA), talks all-weather investing and "excellence beyond indexing" through the use of closed-end funds (CEFs) & business-development companies (BDCs). AICA – a new organization that includes a diverse constituency that runs from investors through fund sponsors – aims to help investors & advisors plot a new and different course to financial success, via the tactical use of securities that mix active management within listed & non-listed

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10:37

Tax edge makes munis attractive even as discounts shrink

The NAVigator ·

2021/07/23

Patrick Galley, chief investment officer at RiverNorth Capital Management -- which runs four municipal bond closed-end funds that invest in both individual bonds and in other muni closed-end funds -- says that as tax-equivalent yields in the muni space have become relatively attractive, the supply-demand picture has changed, narrowing discounts. That doesn't diminish the tax edge provided by the bonds, but makes selective buying critical for investors looking for tax advantages now.

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10:53

Tekla's Omstead: Great promise from 'a new...

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2021/07/16

Dan Omstead, chief executive officer at Tekla Capital Management -- which sponsors four health-care oriented closed-end funds -- says that the pandemic proved the promise of health care and biotech companies as it helped vaccine maker Moderna grow from a small form to one of the largest health-care companies in the world, and now he is looking at 'a new generation of companies that are well funded and developing very innovative products against every health-care target you can imagine.'

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09:50

Bulldog's Goldstein on the hard path facing activist...

The NAVigator ·

2021/07/09

Long-time activist investor Phillip Goldstein, co-founder and portfolio manager at Bulldog Investors, says that narrowing discounts and regulatory and legal changes have made it tougher for shareholders to find appropriate targets where they can mount a viable campaign against management. A new law proposed in Congress would take that further, Goldstein says, but he ultimately believes that activists will adjust and continue to bring action in cases that warrant the approach.

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11:00

John Cole Scott on discounts vs. dollars, the...

The NAVigator ·

2021/07/02

It's the 100th NAVigator podcast, and John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the executive chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance returns to discuss narrowing discounts and why investors shouldn't wait for them to widen before investing, developments in the closed-end business, the state of closed-end funds now and a few funds worth considering for the second half of 2021.

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11:07

Rob Shaker on what's next for closed-end discounts

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2021/06/25

Portfolio manager Rob Shaker of Shaker Financial Services returns to The Navigator, having been a happy camper when discounts grew massive at the start of the pandemic, and having been more circumspect as they narrowed late in 2020. Now, he's seeing pockets of opportunity, looking for relative bargains and watching to see whether closed-end funds now are repeating their pattern from the financial crisis of 2008, when discounts got huge, then tightened up, then struggled during the "taper tantrum"

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09:24

Covered call funds help combat heightened volatility

The NAVigator ·

2021/06/18

Daniel Ashcraft, portfolio manager for Gateway Investment Advisers -- part of the firm’s team responsible for running the Nuveen S&P 500 Buy-Write Income Fund -- says that with volatility on the rise and likely to stay that way, covered-call strategies are headed for a period that should be ideal, where they can deliver their 'bread-and-butter' of lower-volatility exposure to the markets with attractive risk-adjusted returns.

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10:51

Tender funds offer alternative structure and...

The NAVigator ·

2021/06/11

Bob Long, chief executive officer at Conversus, discusses how 'tender funds' give investors access to private markets, which creates improved diversification and generates an investment premium. Long discusses the pros and cons to the fund structure, as well as the challenges of evaluating the funds given the absence of ratings and rankings for the funds.

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12:25

Griffin's Anderson sees broad opportunities, solid...

The NAVigator ·

2021/06/04

Randy Anderson, chief executive officer at GC Asset Management and portfolio manager for the Griffin Capital Institutional Access Real Estate fund says that the bad headlines the real estate market got during the coronavirus pandemic have not materialized as expected, at least where institutional real estate (high quality properties/investable markets), noting that the market has largely recovered and are now showing new opportunities ahead. That said, he noted that there will be heightened

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09:52

Firms benefit from using alts, ESG both here and abroad

The NAVigator ·

2021/05/28

Kimberly Flynn, managing director for alternative investments at XA Investments, discusses how money managers benefit from opening London-based unit investment trusts -- roughly the equivalent of a US-based closed-end fund -- and how the strategies have synergies, especially with illiquid alternatives, that are making for new and interesting investments, notably right now in the development of ESG-based infrastructure funds.

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19:38

NAVigator bonus: Matisse Cap's Boughton talks...

The NAVigator ·

2021/05/27

Eric Boughton, chief analyst at Matisse Capital and portfolio manager for the firm's closed-end strategy funds, says that since taking a beating during the 2020 pre-pandemic market meltdown, closed-end funds have rebounded to where discounts on average are now 3 percent, compared to a long-term average discount of 5 percent, making this 'a less-than-average time to invest in closed-end funds from a discount perspective.' Still, he noted that there are sectors and industries that remain cheap, and he

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10:02

How closed-end funds can be an investor's...

The NAVigator ·

2021/05/21

Mark Asaro, director of investments for Noble Wealth Management, says that investors who are staring down low interest rates that have them questioning the classic, traditional 4 percent 'safe withdrawal rule' should be looking at closed-end funds to bolster returns and to act as a paycheck-replacement, providing steady income that -- when applied tactically -- should weather changing inflation and interest-rate conditions.

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10:25

'Once you own a closed-end fund, you shouldn't care...

The NAVigator ·

2021/05/14

Mike Taggart, founder and chief executive at Taggart Fund Intelligence -- a new analytical firm being built to cover closed-end funds -- says that individual investors and financial advisers should move away from their obsession over discounts in closed-end funds, noting that total return and other factors drive long-term satisfaction with a closed-end fund investment. He discusses the factors he is focusing on -- and that he thinks investors should be looking for -- as well as the need for

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09:40

Finding big discounts is hard, but closed-end funds...

The NAVigator ·

2021/05/07

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the executive chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, says that with strong recent performance, 'getting big fat discounts continues to be hard,' but he says that shouldn't dampen enthusiasm for closed-end funds and business development companies. He cites opportunities in energy, real assets and real estate funds and notes that narrower discounts make this a time to consider non-listed funds, which tend to be less

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11:04

Convertibles are acting more like stocks than bonds

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2021/04/30

Tom Dinsmore, chairman and chief executive at Dinsmore Capital Management, which manages the 50-year-old Bancroft Fund and several other issues that specialize in convertible securities, says that investors looking to increase yields with a 'bond-like equity' will be hard-pressed to create a portfolio of currently available convertible issues that do the job. He notes that many new convertible issues -- coming from health-care and technology companies -- require the underlying common stock to do

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09:14

Finally, ESG investing gains a foothold in closed-end...

The NAVigator ·

2021/04/23

Michael Spatacco, director at Bancroft Capital, discusses how ESG investing -- for environmental, social and governmental factors taken into consideration -- is starting to gain a foothold in the closed-end funds with the opening of a new issue from Nuveen that he has been an adviser to. He expects the trend to continue, as the closed-end fund space more fully reflects the rest of the world, which has seen tremendous movement of monies into 'social investments.'

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10:26

The role of closed-end funds in the changing 60-40...

The NAVigator ·

2021/04/16

With many experts questioning the validity of classic investment allocations, Patrick Galley of RiverNorth Capital Management discusses how closed-end funds fit into the standard 60-40 stocks/fixed-income mix as a way for investors to get more from the bond side of the equation without actually changing their broad asset plan. He also discusses how current market times -- with the threat of rising interest rates and inflation mixing with lingering discounts from the market meltdown of early 2020

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12:44

How alternative credit types can build returns and...

The NAVigator ·

2021/04/09

Keith Ashton, portfolio manager for the Ares Dynamic Credit Allocation Fund (ticker ARDC), talks about why he likes collateralized loan obligations and other credits as a way of adding low-duration, high-yielding income instruments to a portfolio, and discusses what investors should expect from adding these alternative credits for the income-generating side of their portfolio.

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10:30

Interval fund structure lets manager freely pursue...

The NAVigator ·

2021/04/02

Michael Naughton, chief operating officer for U.S. retail at Lord, Abbett and Co., says the interval-fund structure -- which limits shareholder redemptions -- has given managers of the Lord Abbett Credit Opportunities Fund the ability to pursue the firm's best ideas, including illiquid investments, and discusses how the liquidity risk of interval funds can balance out other risks faced by fixed-income investors in today's challenging interest-rate environment.

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10:25

Owl Rock's Packer: BDCs have been strong through...

The NAVigator ·

2021/03/26

Craig Packer, co-founder, Owl Rock Capital Partners and chief executive officer at Owl Rock Capital Corp., says that business-development companies held up well through the pandemic -- noting that his own company has been making loans at rates that are twice the cost of the financing -- with better-than-expected performance which should only get better as the economy re-opens. He also discusses the impact of interest rates and inflation and more on lending activity, and whether booming activities in

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12:37

Nuveen's Miller: Legislation, economic reopening give...

The NAVigator ·

2021/03/19

John Miller, head of municipals at Nuveen, says that the combination of the American Recovery Act and the progress towards recovery and the growing vaccination numbers, have made it so that state and local governments that had been crying poverty are now seeing a boom. He notes that municipal tax revenues have held up better than expected through the pandemic, and now are poised to increase; coupled with stimulus monies, he believes conditions are right for improved credit quality which should help

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