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Smoke "Em If You Got "Em

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Meet the best reporter on Depp v. Heard

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2022/05/27

by Sarah HepolaI met Nick Wallis in the cafeteria of the Fairfax, VA, courtroom on my first day. I was still looking for the gaggle of reporters I assumed I’d find, but I was also looking for an outlet. My phone was nearly dead. I asked a reporter tapping away on his laptop in the mostly empty room, and he pulled out his ear buds long enough to politely motion to an outlet beside him. He was in a dapper suit, and he looked so familiar, but I thought maybe I knew him from TV — and then I overheard

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13. The Villains We Needed

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2022/05/25

Nancy and Sarah launch by talking about a slavering press desperate for sensational stories — but we’re not discussing today’s climate, we’re talking about the 1920s, when Roscoe “Fatty” Arbuckle became the doomed villain in a crime he never committed. We contemplate boobs (again), the greatness of Mariska Hargitay, the cruel online backlash against Amber Heard, and why we don’t like gender tribalism (or tribalism of any kind). We heap admiration on Joan Didion, along with the journalist who

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12. From the Trenches of Depp-Heard

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2022/05/21

From a motel room five miles from the site of Depp v. Heard in suburban Virginia, Sarah describes the fascinating culture around the courthouse: The mother-daughter fans screaming as the star waves from his black SUV; the hard-cores who queue up before midnight in a parking garage to secure a spot at the next day’s trial; the YouTube brand builders; the Depp lawyers who have become online folk heroes; and the lone crumpled figure who could only be a journalist (a French one). But what Sarah

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11: Her Food Is the Misery of Others: Female Con...

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2022/05/20

It’s the morning after the Super Flower Blood Moon, Sarah needs to pack for the Depp-Heard trial in Virginia, and Nancy’s in a hotel bed in Austin, but first! More on Grey’s Anatomy writer/fabulist Elisabeth Finch (in scrubs, above), who faked cancer (and a kidney transplant, and the suicide of her brother, and and and …) because “she loved the attention so much.” Sarah wonders why we’re so fascinated by female con artists, especially ones who go down in flames, and if we’re the suckers who are

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10: Fabulists!

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2022/05/17

Sarah goes deep on the Duke lacrosse rape scandal — the complicated true story, the troubled woman who filed the claims, the abdication of due process, and the false narrative promoted by key figures including Duke faculty members calling themselves the “Group of 88.” The goal was to exact justice “regardless of the truth.” A bunch of preppy white athletes needed a historical comeuppance, though it didn’t work out like that. “People who lie endorse lies,” Nancy suggests, before giving a big huzzah

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The Smoking Diaries: Voice Memos of a Woman Traveling...

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2022/05/16

by Sarah Hepola It was my third morning at an Austin spa so dedicated to self-care they charged $375 if you lit up a cigarette. The sky was still dark, and I was sitting at a wedding spot tucked off the highway, a mile from where I was staying. I’d stumbled upon this place the first morning of my low-key rebellion, because I needed a quiet spot to smoke, and I’d followed a sign that said “historical landmark.” I expected a bench, a sweeping view of the Hill Country; I discovered a wedding tent with

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9: Hollywood's New McCarthy Era

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2022/05/12

Nancy and Sarah tackle the curious case of Frank Langella, the celebrated actor fired from Netflix’s Fall of the House of Usher after a young actress complains about an on-set interaction, while Fred Savage gets disappeared from The Wonder Years reboot for “abusive behavior,” though we’re not sure what kind. On the Depp-Heard beat, Nancy and Sarah consider body language in the courtroom, “mutual abuse,” the problem with psychiatric diagnoses, and why women are the most complicated characters. Sexy

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What Man Can Do To Man: 13 True Crime Books That Get...

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2022/05/10

Live, from Chinatown NYC, a reading of this past weekend’s essay about the best of the best true crime books. Just want the list? That’s below, with links. Speaking of Chinatown: let me know if you’re interested in reading The Snakehead, by Patrick Radden Keefe (his Say Nothing is included here), which I started last night and which takes place in my exact part of Chinatown. Thinking of starting a Smoke ‘Em true crime book club.Speaking of Radden Keefe: Michael Moynihan had a fantastic conversation

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8. What Do Women Want?

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2022/05/06

After a ten-minute chat on why we love boobs (any size), Nancy gives an update on the Vicky White/Casey White jail break, and Sarah brings us up to date on the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard trial, with an eye on Heard’s small-town Texas past and her first appearance on the stand. But the story of the day is Roe v. Wade, which Sarah knows particularly well, since the case started in Dallas. Nancy admits to agreeing with the politically unpopular Bill Clinton dictum that abortion should be “safe, legal, and

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7. True Crimes of the Heart

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2022/05/05

Prison escapes, death row visits, and how to handle (and not handle) homicide. No it’s not an episode of one of those murder-as-snack podcasts, it’s Sarah and Nancy discussing serial killers, lovelorn prison guards, manipulative prisoners, and why people who make it their business to cover murder might do it with a little more delicacy. Plus the surgery Sarah cannot talk about, a wee bit of we-told-you-so over Amber Heard being revealed to have not written the 2018 domestic violence op-ed for which

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6. Does Twitter Suffer from Borderline Personality...

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2022/04/30

A forensic psychologist says Amber Heard has borderline personality disorder, and Nancy and Sarah diagnose social media with the same. Also on the docket: Johnny Depp’s blind spot on drinking + the possible decline of political correctness + the mediocrity of journalist Margaret Sullivan versus the greatness of journalist Tom Junod + a gripping piece on sexual violence at Penn State + the invisible strings of Twitter come for Nancy, but never forget the real star of every episode is YOU, dear

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5. You're the Man Now

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2022/04/27

Welcome to episode 5 (previous episodes archived here), wherein six hours after recording in Paloma Media with the Fifth Column boys, Sarah has to make do with Nancy eating pie in her nightgown. But there’s discussing to be done! Including: * Sarah wondering whether Amber Heard is a synecdoche (a word Nancy can neither pronounce nor spell) for the cultural moment that is #MeToo* Why monster is a dumb thing to call people* The intoxication loophole and why Nancy seriously does not want Andrew Cuomo

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4: The World is Not Full of Monsters! Rommelmann and...

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2022/04/23

Nancy Rommelmann and Sarah Hepola are back! Talking about: + Why they love the Ben Dreyfuss essay "The World is Not Full of Monsters" + Who they listen to in the bathtub (Nancy: Elon Musk's new TED talk; Sarah: Ben Franklin by Ken Burns) + "Who is Max Boot? Did he write for Gawker?" + And speaking of Gawker... + The NYT interview with 8 "conservative" men + Who's allowed to say the C-word and why they're in favor of bringing back "twat" (it's funny!) + The hell that are women's spas and why the one

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3: Entanglements! Nancy Rommelmann and Sarah Hepola...

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2022/04/23

Entanglements, they're everywhere! In this episode, Nancy Rommelmann and Sarah Hepola look at: + The Will Smith-Jada Pinkett Smith turmoil + The Johnny Depp-Amber Heard mess + Online's "cruelty in the name of justice!" flamers Plus the modern complications of monogamy, Veronica Lake's hair (good!), the world of child actors in Hollywood (mostly bad), why John Updike got it right when he said, "Celebrity is a mask that eats into the face," why Sarah stands with the bed-poopers, and more!EPISODE

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2: Cheerleaders and Buzzer Beaters: Sarah Hepola Redux!

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2022/04/23

Nancy Rommelmann and Sarah Hepola hop back into the studio to talk Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders, faking orgasms, crying (women v. men), why young Ben Franklin is hot (electricity!), why Sarah always dated Tom Waits, Nancy's religious experience at a Trail Blazers game, and much more!EPSIODE NOTESFan-cam dancing to "Since You Been Gone" at Spurs game"America's Girls," podcast about the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders that Sarah Hepola co-created and narratesBlackout: Remembering the Things I Drank to

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1: Blackouts and Sexpots: Sarah Hepola

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2022/04/23

Journalist, author, and podcast series creator Sarah Hepola and Nancy Rommelmann met online two weeks ago and decided they needed to speak for about 80 hours. On deck today: Hepola's recent essay "The Things I'm Afraid to Write About" and why she isn't afraid anymore; her 2015 memoir, "Blackout: Remembering the Things I Drank to Forget" and the difference between a blackout and passing out; why both she and Rommelmann needed to keep up with dudes (and some hazards therein), and how cancel culture is

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