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The NAVigator

Active Investment Company Alliance

The NAVigator, from the Active Investment Company Alliance (AICA), talks all-weather investing and "excellence beyond indexing" through the use of closed-end funds (CEFs) & business-development companies (BDCs). AICA – a new organization that includes a diverse constituency that runs from investors through fund sponsors – aims to help investors & advisors plot a new and different course to financial success, via the tactical use of securities that mix active management within listed & non-listed

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12:25

Griffin's Anderson sees broad opportunities, solid...

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2021/06/04

Randy Anderson, chief executive officer at GC Asset Management and portfolio manager for the Griffin Capital Institutional Access Real Estate fund says that the bad headlines the real estate market got during the coronavirus pandemic have not materialized as expected, at least where institutional real estate (high quality properties/investable markets), noting that the market has largely recovered and are now showing new opportunities ahead. That said, he noted that there will be heightened

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09:52

Firms benefit from using alts, ESG both here and abroad

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2021/05/28

Kimberly Flynn, managing director for alternative investments at XA Investments, discusses how money managers benefit from opening London-based unit investment trusts -- roughly the equivalent of a US-based closed-end fund -- and how the strategies have synergies, especially with illiquid alternatives, that are making for new and interesting investments, notably right now in the development of ESG-based infrastructure funds.

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19:38

NAVigator bonus: Matisse Cap's Boughton talks...

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2021/05/27

Eric Boughton, chief analyst at Matisse Capital and portfolio manager for the firm's closed-end strategy funds, says that since taking a beating during the 2020 pre-pandemic market meltdown, closed-end funds have rebounded to where discounts on average are now 3 percent, compared to a long-term average discount of 5 percent, making this 'a less-than-average time to invest in closed-end funds from a discount perspective.' Still, he noted that there are sectors and industries that remain cheap, and he

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10:02

How closed-end funds can be an investor's...

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2021/05/21

Mark Asaro, director of investments for Noble Wealth Management, says that investors who are staring down low interest rates that have them questioning the classic, traditional 4 percent 'safe withdrawal rule' should be looking at closed-end funds to bolster returns and to act as a paycheck-replacement, providing steady income that -- when applied tactically -- should weather changing inflation and interest-rate conditions.

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10:25

'Once you own a closed-end fund, you shouldn't care...

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2021/05/14

Mike Taggart, founder and chief executive at Taggart Fund Intelligence -- a new analytical firm being built to cover closed-end funds -- says that individual investors and financial advisers should move away from their obsession over discounts in closed-end funds, noting that total return and other factors drive long-term satisfaction with a closed-end fund investment. He discusses the factors he is focusing on -- and that he thinks investors should be looking for -- as well as the need for

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09:40

Finding big discounts is hard, but closed-end funds...

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2021/05/07

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the executive chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, says that with strong recent performance, 'getting big fat discounts continues to be hard,' but he says that shouldn't dampen enthusiasm for closed-end funds and business development companies. He cites opportunities in energy, real assets and real estate funds and notes that narrower discounts make this a time to consider non-listed funds, which tend to be less

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11:04

Convertibles are acting more like stocks than bonds

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2021/04/30

Tom Dinsmore, chairman and chief executive at Dinsmore Capital Management, which manages the 50-year-old Bancroft Fund and several other issues that specialize in convertible securities, says that investors looking to increase yields with a 'bond-like equity' will be hard-pressed to create a portfolio of currently available convertible issues that do the job. He notes that many new convertible issues -- coming from health-care and technology companies -- require the underlying common stock to do

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09:14

Finally, ESG investing gains a foothold in closed-end...

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2021/04/23

Michael Spatacco, director at Bancroft Capital, discusses how ESG investing -- for environmental, social and governmental factors taken into consideration -- is starting to gain a foothold in the closed-end funds with the opening of a new issue from Nuveen that he has been an adviser to. He expects the trend to continue, as the closed-end fund space more fully reflects the rest of the world, which has seen tremendous movement of monies into 'social investments.'

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10:26

The role of closed-end funds in the changing 60-40...

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2021/04/16

With many experts questioning the validity of classic investment allocations, Patrick Galley of RiverNorth Capital Management discusses how closed-end funds fit into the standard 60-40 stocks/fixed-income mix as a way for investors to get more from the bond side of the equation without actually changing their broad asset plan. He also discusses how current market times -- with the threat of rising interest rates and inflation mixing with lingering discounts from the market meltdown of early 2020

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12:44

How alternative credit types can build returns and...

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2021/04/09

Keith Ashton, portfolio manager for the Ares Dynamic Credit Allocation Fund (ticker ARDC), talks about why he likes collateralized loan obligations and other credits as a way of adding low-duration, high-yielding income instruments to a portfolio, and discusses what investors should expect from adding these alternative credits for the income-generating side of their portfolio.

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10:30

Interval fund structure lets manager freely pursue...

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2021/04/02

Michael Naughton, chief operating officer for U.S. retail at Lord, Abbett and Co., says the interval-fund structure -- which limits shareholder redemptions -- has given managers of the Lord Abbett Credit Opportunities Fund the ability to pursue the firm's best ideas, including illiquid investments, and discusses how the liquidity risk of interval funds can balance out other risks faced by fixed-income investors in today's challenging interest-rate environment.

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10:25

Owl Rock's Packer: BDCs have been strong through...

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2021/03/26

Craig Packer, co-founder, Owl Rock Capital Partners and chief executive officer at Owl Rock Capital Corp., says that business-development companies held up well through the pandemic -- noting that his own company has been making loans at rates that are twice the cost of the financing -- with better-than-expected performance which should only get better as the economy re-opens. He also discusses the impact of interest rates and inflation and more on lending activity, and whether booming activities in

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12:37

Nuveen's Miller: Legislation, economic reopening give...

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2021/03/19

John Miller, head of municipals at Nuveen, says that the combination of the American Recovery Act and the progress towards recovery and the growing vaccination numbers, have made it so that state and local governments that had been crying poverty are now seeing a boom. He notes that municipal tax revenues have held up better than expected through the pandemic, and now are poised to increase; coupled with stimulus monies, he believes conditions are right for improved credit quality which should help

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17:06

NAVigator bonus: Finding a balance of high yield and...

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2021/03/18

Will Rhind of GraniteShares talks about balancing high yields against risk in the GraniteShares High-Income Pass Through Securities ETF, a fund that invests entirely in business development companies and closed-end funds. Rhind discusses why the fund currently favors closed-end funds slightly, how he believes it is miscategorized by the ‘stack-and-rank services’ like Morningstar and talks about a few investments and why they pass muster with the fund’s methodology.

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12:48

Water is an overlooked part of infrastructure investing

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2021/03/12

Nick Holmes, portfolio manager for the Tortoise Essential Assets Income fund, discusses how investing in water infrastructure is mostly lumped in with other infrastructure plays, which he considers a mistake, noting that water is viewed differently as an asset class around the world than it is in the United States. He explains why his fund gets involved in private investments, how it was hit harder than most closed-end funds during the market';s 2020 decline and why he thinks both the fund and water

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09:04

Legendary manager Wick on the workings of his...

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2021/03/05

Paul Wick, long-time manager of the Columbia Seligman Communication and Information Fund -- one of the most successful sector funds in history -- talks for the first time about managing a closed-end fund, Columbia Seligman Premium Technology Growth, and discusses the similarities and differences between the two, and whether he views the closed-end fund as a chance to get a bargain price on his flagship fund. One similarity between the funds: annualized average returns north of 15 percent since

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13:46

Rareview's Azous talks the dangers that rising rates...

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2021/02/26

Neil Azous, chief investment officer at Rareview Capital, says that 10-year real US interest rates -- which have been on the rise for the last few weeks -- are 'the most impending danger' to investor portfolios. He says the market is now acting as if the pandemic is nearly over and says that investors need to be thinking of the big economic themes beyond the re-opening, including the changing rate picture.

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17:33

NAVigator bonus: Look beyond yield and discount in...

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2021/02/22

Maury Fertig, chief investment officer at Relative Value Partners, discusses the factors he considers when picking closed-end funds to add to client portfolios, and how those criteria are impacted by current market conditions that have seen closed-end issues get whipsawed by the market over the last year. Fertig appeared on The NAVigator last week, but this appearance in the Money Life Market Call serves as a special bonus episode/follow-up with much more of his closed-end fund insight.

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09:09

Closed-end fund expert Fertig says values now are...

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2021/02/19

Maury Fertig, chief investment officer at Relative Value Partners, says the market's rebound from a year ago has made it harder to find closed-end issues worth buying and holding now, but he says there are selected opportunities still worth pursuing. He suggested that floating-rate funds and credit funds will continue to perform well, and that closed-end funds still offer value from a discount level, but with discounts narrowing, investors should look at cutting back. He also discusses closed-end

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12:24

Aberdeen manager says Covid 'put real estate in the...

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2021/02/12

Bill Pekowitz, portfolio manager for the Aberdeen Global Premier Properties Fund, says that lockdowns during the coronavirus pandemic hit brick-and-mortar retail, hotels, office space and the urban apartment sectors, but boosted cell towers, warehouses, industrial data centers and more. Now, with economic recovery, he expects some troubled areas to rebound and suggests balancing real estate investments between those that are peaking with those that are recovering.

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