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The NAVigator

Active Investment Company Alliance

The NAVigator, from the Active Investment Company Alliance (AICA), talks all-weather investing and "excellence beyond indexing" through the use of closed-end funds (CEFs) & business-development companies (BDCs). AICA – a new organization that includes a diverse constituency that runs from investors through fund sponsors – aims to help investors & advisors plot a new and different course to financial success, via the tactical use of securities that mix active management within listed & non-listed

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10:17

AICA's Scott: 1 interview, 2 funds to consider, 3...

The NAVigator ·

2020/10/30

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the founder and executive chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance does a quick 1-2-3 in this week's edition of The NAVigator, answering three questions from the audience and giving 2 ticker symbols worth following in one wide-ranging interview. He discusses the way discounts widen during bear markets, the expanded role closed-end funds could play in fixed-income portfolios looking for higher yields, and why he

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09:20

BDC's have been in buying territory through the...

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2020/10/23

Bryce Rowe, senior equity research analyst for business development companies at National Securities Corp., returns to the NAVigator to revisit business-development companies now. In his last appearance -- just days before the stock market bottomed out from its winter swoon and as the country was just entering the pandemic shutdown, Rowe said that beaten-down BDCs were a strong buy. Now, despite a solid run up along with the market, Rowe says that the bulk of business-development companies he

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08:41

David Tepper: Closed-end funds remain an investment...

The NAVigator ·

2020/10/16

David Tepper of Tepper Capital Management in San Francisco explains why he uses closed-end funds almost exclusively in his client portfolios, noting that in today's market conditions there are plenty of opportunities to build a well-diversified portfolio at a discount, and adding that even long-term closed-end fund investors need to be prepared to take advantage of times when discounts narrow suddenly, creating short-term chances for bigger-than-expected gains.

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08:51

ClearBridge's Vanderlee: Dividend stocks are a...

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2020/10/09

Peter Vanderlee of ClearBridge Investments, co-manager of the LMP Capital and Income Fund, says that the stock market's recovery back to record-high levels hasn't made dividend stocks overpriced because much of the move has been in stocks that don't make distributions. Coupled with lower-for-longer interest rates, it makes dividend stocks the compelling buy for income-oriented investors in today's market.

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09:13

UMB's Gallagher discusses the evolution of...

The NAVigator ·

2020/10/02

Terry Gallagher, executive vice president at UMB Fund Services, sees an industry-wide trend towards the development of new interval and tender-offer funds. Gallagher -- whose firm helps investment companies launch new issues -- covers the reasons why the structures are growing in popularity, the tax implications that issuers consider when setting up a fund and more.

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10:42

John Cole Scott revisits a year of The NAVigator and...

The NAVigator ·

2020/09/25

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the founder/executive chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, celebrates the end of the first year of The NAVigator podcast with a quick look back at a tumultuous 12 months for closed-end funds, but looks ahead at the industry with an eye toward how inflated by the pandemic economy are creating strong opportunities in the credit markets, in municipal bonds and beyond.

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10:14

Endowment strategy in interval fund creates patient...

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2020/09/18

Daniel Wildermuth, chief executive officer, Wildermuth Wealth and portfolio manager of the Wildermuth Endowment Fund, says that investing like the big college endowment funds creates a long-term outlook that's heavy in private equity and other alternative asset classes, but that having that approach in an interval fund's structure forces investors to be patient and to ride out short-term market noise, which is necessary when loading up on private investments. He also provides his assessment of how

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09:02

Nuveen's Lamb says that muni bonds, despite rebound,...

The NAVigator ·

2020/09/11

Dave Lamb, head of closed-end funds for Nuveen, says that while municipal bonds have rebounded sharply, they haven't quite kept pace with investment-grade issues or recovered to pre-pandemic levels, creating an opportunity for investors. He notes that closed-end fund investors can find bargains and don't have to worry much about being disappointed when they can buy issues at wider discounts the way they can now.

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10:20

Skadden's DeCapo says SEC rules changes won't stop...

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2020/09/04

Thomas DeCapo, a securities attorney with Skadden Arps who recently appeared at the AICA's Summer Summit, joined Chuck Jaffe to discuss control shares statues that critics have said will reduce activist challenges to closed-end funds. DeCapo says that the rules will protect investors, result in more closed-end funds bring brought to market and that it won't stop real activism -- where investors are looking for real change and improvement rather than boosting a price and grabbing a quick profit --

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17:32

Matisse's Boughton: Closed-end funds represent a...

The NAVigator ·

2020/08/28

Eric Boughton, chief analyst at Matisse Capital -- a firm that manages portfolios of closed-end funds -- says that outsized discounts make most closed-end funds attractive potential investments now, noting in this interview from 'Money Life with Chuck Jaffe' that nearly every type of fund represents assets currently on sale. Still, Boughton notes that discounts by themselves are not a reason to buy, saying investors need to understand leverage and assets before taking a chance on higher-risk areas

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10:15

Symphony Nuveen's Holzenthaler on the disconnect...

The NAVigator ·

2020/08/21

On today's edition of the NAVigator, Lawrence Holzenthaler, investment analyst at Symphony Nuveen, discusses high-yield investing in a low-rate environment, noting that equity markets are more optimistic than the broad corporate credit market and how average credit investors see risk very differently right now when compared to the typical equity investor. Holzenthaler adds that closed-end junk-bond and floating-rate funds now are a way to 'buy discounted assets at a discount,' which should make them

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08:36

Veteran writer Waggoner on why the media doesn't like...

The NAVigator ·

2020/08/14

Long-time financial journalist John Waggoner explains why he has always gravitated towards closed-end funds even as investors and the news media often ignored them, and then explains how and why closed-end funds can provide advantages that he thinks most investors miss by focusing on closed-end funds, exchange-traded funds and active ETFs.

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10:23

Closed-end funds have bounced back, but have further...

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2020/08/07

Tom Roseen, head of research services at Lipper Refinitiv, says that closed-end fund discounts currently stand at an average of 8.7 percent, significantly wider than the 5.65 percent of the past but significantly improved from February and March as closed-end funds were hammered during the pre-pandemic market downturn. Roseen notes that convertible-securities funds have been exceptionally strong during the bounce back -- up 25 percent over the last three months -- but that energy MLP funds remain

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10:52

XA's Flynn talks alternative investments in new,...

The NAVigator ·

2020/07/31

Kimberly Flynn, managing director of alternative investments at XA Investments, talks about the new and different ways alternatives are being packaged in closed-end funds and how investors and fund companies deal with discounts and new structures in order to invest in assets that otherwise wouldn't be available to individuals. She also discusses auction funds and hybrid funds, new ways to put alternatives and real estate into portfolios that are just being brought to market now, but which have big

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08:48

Alternative credit lets investors expand, diversify...

The NAVigator ·

2020/07/24

Gregg Bell, co-founder of A3 Financial Investments -- which runs the A3 Alternative Credit Fund -- discusses why investing in alternative credits like reverse mortgages, private credit, credit-linked notes and more can create income streams that wouldn't be available to most individual investors without the closed-end, interval fund structure. Bell -- whose fund is positive this year and up nearly 9 percent since opening in October 2019 -- says that few retail investors have exposure to the

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09:30

Income Factory's Bavaria explains how closed-end...

The NAVigator ·

2020/07/17

Financial journalist Steven Bavaria of SeekingAlpha.com -- author of 'The Income Factory: An Investor’s Guide to Consistent Lifetime Returns" -- talks about how current market conditions should have investors looking to closed-end funds as a way of generating consistent income streams. Bavaria compares closed-end funds to factories, where the company owners are more concerned with the production they get from the workshop rather than the moment-by-moment value of the building. He notes that the

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09:57

Where closed-end funds stand after a...

The NAVigator ·

2020/07/10

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the founding chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, returns to the NAVigator for a fresh look at where closed-end funds stand now. It was a big rebound for CEF issues in the second quarter, with strong gains despite facing an environment of heavy dividend cuts; while closed-end issues remain down on average for the year, Scott notes that wider discounts make them particularly attractive at this point, especially

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11:35

Rareview's Azous: Muni bonds represent unique...

The NAVigator ·

2020/07/02

Neil Azous, chief investment officer at Rareview Capital in Stamford, Conn., discussed how the four ways that investors typically make money in municipal-bond closed-end funds typically aren't all in favor at the same time. These times, however, are anything but typical, and Azous says that in the current unusual times, all four potential return streams are lining up in ways that make muni funds a particularly attractive option right now.

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10:28

Brookfield's Antonatos: Real assets offer...

The NAVigator ·

2020/06/26

Larry Antonatos, managing director / portfolio manager at Brookfield Asset Management, says 'the depths of uncertainty and the market lows surrounding coronavirus are behind us.' The manager of Brookfield Real Assets Income Fund, said the firm's real asset managers are positioning now for a recover -- which he noted may not be particularly strong -- by focusing on areas where valuations are most attractive and recovery-driven cash-flow growth should be strongest. That means hotels, retail real

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11:31

Griffin's Forman: Interval fund structure has...

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2020/06/19

Zach Forman, head of fund relations at Griffin Capital Securities -- which runs the Griffin Institutional Access Real Estate Fund -- says that the illiquidity of interval funds can be a real benefit to investors during turbulent times, not only by providing access to private markets that many investors couldn't access otherwise, but by giving managers the ability to run a fund without fearing withdrawals while forcing investors into longer-term thinking.

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