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The Lawfare Podcast

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The Lawfare Podcast features discussions with experts, policymakers, and opinion leaders at the nexus of national security, law, and policy. On issues from foreign policy, homeland security, intelligence, and cybersecurity to governance and law, we have doubled down on seriousness at a time when others are running away from it. Visit us at www.lawfaremedia.org.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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1:35:11

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump...

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2025/08/11

In alive conversation onYouTube,LawfareEditor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down withLawfareSenior Editors Anna Bower and Roger Parloff, andLawfarecontributor Peter Harrell to discussthe D.C. Circuit vacating Judge Boasberg’s probable cause of contempt by the Trump administration, where the legal challenges to President Trump’s IEEPA tariffs stand, and thelegal battle unfolding in Texasover the Democratic lawmakers leaving the state to prevent Republicans from redistricting the state.You can find

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53:44

Lawfare Archive: A New Documentary on Surviving the...

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2025/08/10

From August 6, 2024: A new film fromAl Jazeera’s Fault Lines series called “The Night Won’t End”profiles three Palestinian families as they try to survive the war in Gaza.On today’s episode,LawfareManaging Editor Tyler McBrien speaks to the documentary’s director, Kavitha Chekuru, along with a few of the journalists and researchers who came together to work on the project, including Emily Tripp, Director at Airwars; Samaneh Moafi, Assistant Director of Research at Forensic Architecture; and Lawrence

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41:05

Lawfare Archive: How is Lula Doing?

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2025/08/09

From June 7, 2023: On January 1, 2023, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva was sworn in as president of Brazil. A week later, insurrectionists in Brazil stormed government buildings, including the president’s palace, the Supreme Federal Court, and the National Congress building to violently disrupt the democratic transition of power and challenge the results of the election. Lula, however, remained undeterred and forged ahead.It’s been roughly 150 days since those events, andLawfareLegal Fellow Saraphin

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51:16

Scaling Laws: What Keeps OpenAI’s Product Policy...

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2025/08/08

Brian Fuller, a member of the Product Policy Team at OpenAI, joins Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to analyze how large AI labs go about testing their models for compliance with internal requirements and various legal obligations. They also cover the ins and outs of what it means to work in product policy and what issues are front of mind for in-house policy teams amid substantial regulatory uncertainty.Find

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37:43

Lawfare Daily: ‘Big Tech in Taiwan’ with Sam Bresnick

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2025/08/07

Sam Bresnick,Research Fellow and Andrew W. Marshall Fellow at Georgetown’s Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET),joins Lawfare’s Justin Sherman to discuss his recently published report,“Big Tech in Taiwan: Beyond Semiconductors.” They discuss a previous report Sam coauthored with Georgetown CSET colleagues,“Which Ties Will Bind?,” looking at U.S. Big Tech companies’ exposure to China; Sam’s recent report on the 17 examined companies’ Taiwan entanglements; and how greenfield foreign

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1:01:56

Lawfare Daily: Oona Hathaway on the Collapse of Norms...

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2025/08/06

Lawfare Legal Fellow Mykhailo Soldatenko sits down with Oona Hathaway, Yale Law Professor and President-elect of the American Society of International Law, to discuss how the current world events are harming the norm prohibiting the use of force in international relations, why that's troubling, and what to do about it. They chat about the current U.S. administration's policies, recent strikes on Iran, and the implications for the norm from a potential negotiated settlement in the

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43:30

Lawfare Daily: The Fallacy of NATO's New Spending Target

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2025/08/05

On today’s episode, Lawfare’s Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina sits down with Minna Ålander, an associate fellow at Chatham House Europe Programme, and Max Bergmann, the Director of the Europe, Russia, and Eurasia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, to discuss NATO’s historic decision to increase its member state’s defense spending to 5% of their Gross Domestic Product.To receive ad-free podcasts, become aLawfareMaterial Supporter atwww.patreon.com/lawfare. You can also

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1:36:41

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump...

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2025/08/04

In alive conversation onAug. 1,LawfareEditor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down withLawfareSenior Editors Anna Bower,LawfareLegal Fellow James Pearce, andLawfarecontributors Michael Feinberg and Renee DiResta to discuss the politicization of the Justice Department, including the attorney general’s misconduct complaint against Judge Boasberg, the legal challenges to Alina Habba’s appointment to be U.S. attorney, a lawsuit by Democratic Congress members against ICE over restrictions on visiting

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54:21

Lawfare Archive: Is Complying with the Law of War a...

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2025/08/03

From June 13, 2024: On today’s episode,LawfareGeneral Counsel and Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with Gabor Rona, Professor of Practice at Cardozo Law, and Natalie Orpett,Lawfare’s Executive Editor, to discusstheir recentLawfarepieceexamining whether a state pursuing an armed conflict in compliance with international humanitarian law could nonetheless violate the Genocide Convention. They discussed how these two areas of law intersect, their relevance to the ongoing proceedings over

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40:52

Lawfare Archive: Amanda Tyler on Rahimi and Taking...

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2025/08/02

From December 27, 2023: The Supreme Court last month heard oral arguments inUnited States v. Rahimi, in which the Court will decide the constitutionality of a federal law that criminalizes the possession of firearms by individuals on whom state courts have imposed domestic violence protective orders. This case came to the Court following its June 2022 ruling inNew York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen. In that case, the Court determined that whether a law violates the Second Amendment

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46:48

Scaling Laws: Renée DiResta and Alan Rozenshtein on...

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2025/08/01

Renée DiResta, an Associate Research Professor at the McCourt School of Public Policy at Georgetown and a Contributing Editor at Lawfare, and Alan Rozenshtein, an Associate Professor at Minnesota Law, Research Director at Lawfare, and, with the exception of today, co-host on the Scaling Laws podcast, join Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to take a look at the Trump Administration’s Woke AI policies, as set forth

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1:09:04

Lawfare Daily: The Famine in Gaza and Its...

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2025/07/31

For today's episode, Lawfare General Counsel and Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with Joel Braunold, Managing Director of the S. Daniel Abraham Center for Middle East Peace, for another of their regular updates on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.This time, they discussed the brutal famine afflicting Gaza, how the broader military conflict between Israel and Hamas has contributed to it, and what the rising global pressure on Israel to address it—including from the Trump administration—may

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1:14:03

Rational Security: The “SkrillEx Parte” Edition

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2025/07/30

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Natalie Orpett, Kevin Frazier, and Tyler McBrien to talk through the week’s big national security news stories, including:“Feeding Frenzy.” The crisis in Gaza has reached a new, desperate stage. Months of a near total blockade on humanitarian assistance has created an imminent risk, if not a reality, of mass starvation among Gazan civilians. And it finally has the world—including President Donald Trump—taking notice and putting pressure on the

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57:36

Lawfare Daily: ‘Putin’s Sledgehammer’ with Candace...

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2025/07/30

Candace Rondeaux, Senior Director of New America’s Future Frontlines program, Director of its Planetary Politics initiative, and professor of practice at Arizona State University joinsLawfare’s Justin Sherman to discuss her recently published book, "Putin’s Sledgehammer: The Wagner Group and Russia’s Collapse into Mercenary Chaos."They discuss Yevgeny Prigozhin and his founding of the Wagner Group, the Russian private military company (PMC); his rise, ranging from post-Soviet 1990s Russia to growing

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48:13

Lawfare Daily: Sezaneh Seymour and Brandon Wales on...

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2025/07/29

Alan Rozenshtein, Senior Editor and Research Director at Lawfare, sits down with Sezaneh Seymour, Vice President and head of regulatory risk and policy at Coalition and a former Senior Adviser on the National Security Council staff, and Brandon Wales, Vice President for cybersecurity strategy at SentinelOne and the former Executive Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), to discuss their newLawfareResearch Report, “Partners or Provocateurs? Private-Sector Involvement

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1:44:10

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump...

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2025/07/28

In alive conversation onJuly 25,LawfareEditor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down withLawfareSenior Editors Scott Anderson and Roger Parloff andLawfareLegal Fellow James Pearce to discuss the the Supreme Court’s rulings allowing the removal of executive officials of independent agencies, the ongoing dismantling of executive agencies like the Voice of America and U.S. Institute of Peace, developments in Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s criminal case, and so much more.You can find information onlegal challenges

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56:00

Lawfare Archive: A House Divided

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2025/07/27

From May 6, 2017: Three months into the Trump presidency, where does the relationship between the president and the intelligence community stand? Donald Trump is no longer quite so regularly combative in his tweets and public comments about the various intelligence agencies, but the White House-intelligence community relationship is still far from normal under this very unusual presidency. Here to ponder the question are former NSA and CIA director General Michael Hayden, former acting and deputy

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40:32

Lawfare Archive: AI Policy Under Technological...

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2025/07/26

From July 23, 2024: Alan Rozenshtein, Associate Professor at the University of Minnesota Law School and Senior Editor atLawfare, and Matt Perault, the Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, sat down with Alexander Macgillivray, known to all as "amac," who was the former Principle Deputy Chief Technology Officer of the United States in the Biden Administration and General Counsel at Twitter.amac recentlywrote a piece forLawfareabout making AI

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1:04:09

Scaling Laws: Rapid Response to the AI Action Plan

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2025/07/25

Janet Egan, Senior Fellow with the Technology and National Security Program at the Center for a New American Security; Jessica Brandt, Senior Fellow for Technology and National Security at the Council on Foreign Relations; Neil Chilson, Head of AI Policy at Abundance Institute; and Tim Fist, Director of Emerging Technology Policy at the Institute for Progress join Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor atLawfarefor a special

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54:51

Lawfare Daily: Conversations from Aspen, Part 2: Ali...

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2025/07/24

For today's episode, Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson is sharing more of the conversations he had with leading policy experts and practitioners on the margins of this year's Aspen Security Forum, which took place last week.First, he is joined by Ali Nazary, the head of foreign relations for the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan, to discuss the Front's position nearly four years after the collapse of Kabul—and what Russia's recent recognition of the Taliban may mean for Afghanistan's

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