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Fat Mascara

Jennifer Sullivan & Jessica Matlin

Beauty journalists Jessica Matlinand Jennifer G. Sullivan have insider access to the industry and they’re not gatekeeping. On Wednesdays, they talk candidly about beauty news, cultural trends, and the latest products and treatments. On Fridays, they get their high-profile guests to open up about their relationship to Beauty Culture and the inner workings of the industry. Join the duo that pioneered the beauty podcast for a smart, funny, totally unfiltered discussion of all things beauty on Apple,

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49:09

How to Shop for Skincare with Cosmetic Chemist...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/01/01

Learn how to decode a cosmetic ingredient list, which skincare ingredients actually work, and how not to waste money on ineffective products in this interview with Victoria Fu, the co-founder of Chemist Confessions. Plus, she tells us about an AI-discovered molecule that improves skin elasticity and explains how social media causes skincare misinformation to proliferate online. This interview originally aired in 2023, but we’ll be back with all new episodes next week!Episode recap with

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50:32

Best of FM: How to Talk to Kids About Beauty with...

Fat Mascara ·

2024/12/27

In this interview (our most popular of 2024!), we talk to celebrity makeup artist Jamie Greenberg, a mom of three, about a timely topic: How young is too young for makeup and skincare? How can parents encourage self expression without glorifying consumerism? Should adults talk to kids about the downsides of plastic surgery and photo filters?Plus, she shares her makeup tricks for hooded eyelids, creasing concealer, and how to really get your makeup brushes clean.Episode recap with

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36:56

Candlemaker Louis Hotchkiss on The Secrets of His Craft

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2024/12/25

We’re lighting up the holiday season with candlemaker Louis Hotchkiss, the former president of KOBO candles. Here’s here to answer all our candle questions. Which wax burns the cleanest? How do containers, wicks, and fragrances affect burn rate? Why do some wick tips form a mushroom shape after they burn? How can you tell if a candle with have a good scent throw? All that and more. This interview originally aired in 2021 and is presented here with a fresh intro. We’ll be back with new episodes in

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39:22

Best of FM: Hairstylist Nikki Nelms

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2024/12/20

It’s impossible to listen to Nikki Nelms share her story and not be inspired! The celebrity hairstylist—who’s worked with Beyoncé, Bjork, Janelle Monáe, and others—explains why she doesn’t need mood boards to create hair magic and never “looks to the side” for her ideas. She talks about how she got her start styling hair, the surprising tools and accessories in her kit, how she continues to innovate, and some of her favorite products, including the most hydrating shampoo and candles she can’t get

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50:45

The Annual Naughty & Nice (But, But, But!) Special

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2024/12/18

Jenn & Jess reveal the year’s biggest moments in beauty culture—what we loved (nice), hated (naughty) and loved and hated with caveats (but, but, but!). We’re talking about contrast makeup theory; Pantone’s next color of the year; the beauty industry’s use of artificial intelligence; the TikTokification of makeup trends; everybody’s obsession with Lindsay Lohan’s face; influencers making their own “traditional” sunscreens and toothpastes; Demi Moore in The Substance; a surprise voicemail that had us

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59:47

The Dark Prince of Perfumery with Douglas Little

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2024/12/13

Creative director Douglas Little, the perfumer and founder of Heretic Parfums, explains how he taps into his shadow self to fuel creativity. He tells us how the new Nosferatu perfume came to be and shares stories from his collaborations with Gwyneth Paltrow and Dita Von Teese, the lessons he learned from the folding of his first brand, D.L. & Company, and why he’s drawn to “things that go bump in the night.”Episode recap with links:fatmascara.com/blog/douglas-littleProducts mentioned in this

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52:06

Ep. 559: “Undetectable” Plastic Surgery, Filler Below...

Fat Mascara ·

2024/12/11

There’s so much happening in cosmetic surgery for Jenn & Garrett to discuss: Lindsay Lohan’s new face; politicians getting work done; labia puffs; penis filler; and all the new ways to stop aging (and whether or not to partake or disclose). We also do a live fragrance test of Harry’s new Tamalpais cologne and keep the holiday-candle conversation going with the Fat Mascara Fam, then Garrett explains how you can create your own hand soap bar to make handwashing this winter more fun.Episode recap with

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58:07

The Future of Cosmetic Formulation with Chemist AJ Addae

Fat Mascara ·

2024/12/06

Cosmetic chemist AJ Addae is the founder of Sula Labs, a company that helps beauty brands develop and test products and ingredients for melanin-rich consumers. She’s here to share her story and talk about the future of sunscreen and clean beauty, how bias affects scientific research, the difference between cosmetics and drugs, exosomes, vitamin C, why she loves sulfur for treating acne, brow lamination (aka, brow lammy), the best ingredients for edge control and brow grooming, her favorite products,

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43:13

Ep. 558: Dating with Pheromones, Migraine Marketing &...

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2024/12/04

Jess & Jenn are intrigued by the growing interest in pheromone perfumes. Could they help people find love? Hmm. Plus: L’Oréal’s Louvre tour; investment and acquisition news from Jess’s Business Desk; a rise in products designed to help people who get migraines (aka, migraneurs!); faux candles that don’t look fake; and the anti-frizz treatment spray that made Jenn’s blowout last five days.Episode recap with links:fatmascara.com/blog/ep-558Products mentioned in this episode:

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49:25

Makeup for “Older” Women with Sonia Ramos

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2024/11/29

Content creator @officiallysoniaramos calls herself a “mature lady” (lol, she’s 46), but her makeup tips work for Gen Z, Boomers, and everybody in between. She explains how (and why) she let her gray hair grow in at 35, why everybody’s getting their concealer wrong, where to put your blush, the power of the double cleanse, and how to look less tired when you’re feeling “busted and crusted.” This episode features a new introduction but it originally aired in 2023. We'll be back next week with all new

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47:41

Ep. 557: Wicked Nails, Botanical Oils & The Week’s...

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2024/11/27

Jenn & Julee are in the holiday spirit! Let’s talk about which botanical oils are best for your hair type; why Dax Shepard thought it was okay to ask Cynthia Erivo a *very* personal question about her long nails; the huge rise in applications for dermatology residencies; and which candle says “I’m feeling the holiday season” best. Plus, we raise wands to a room spray that celebrates sanctuaries for African-American famllies and a hydrating skincare duo that works for the dryest, most sensitive

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48:13

Exploring Nostalgia, Fragrance, and Literature with...

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2024/11/22

Cozy up and get ready to feel all the feels with Emelia O’Toole, aka @professorperfume, who talks about the connection between literature, longing, and perfumery. She and Jenn tease out why nostalgia feels so good, and chat about books, scent memories, the romance of weddings and honeymoons, Dracula, One Direction, and fragrances inspired by chess, Clue, animals, and books. It’s the perfect podcast for a rainy day or chilly night—preferably by a fireplace with a stack of books and a cuppa

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39:40

Ep. 556: Doom Shopping, The Chypre Story & The Week’s...

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2024/11/20

Jenn & Jess share insider beauty gossip, dig into why people are doom shopping, discuss Bobbi Brown’s move into home goods, and dream of attending the Hair Freezing Contest. After that, Jenn shares the inside story on chypre and amber fragrances—direct from Coty perfume historians in Paris—and we raise wands to meaningful beauty gifts, the new beauty brand from Celeste Barber, and a cozy animal-inspired perfume.Episode recap with links:fatmascara.com/blog/ep-556Products mentioned in this

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51:28

What VC Investors In Beauty Look For With Cristina Nuñez

Fat Mascara ·

2024/11/15

As the co-founder and general partner of True Beauty Ventures, venture capital investor Cristina Nuñez is an industry talent scout, trend spotter, and brand builder all wrapped into one. Her company's portfolio includes K18, Sofie Pavitt Face, Vacation, Iris&Romeo, and many other beauty brands you know and love. In this interview, she offers amazing career advice and explains how she spots the next big things in beauty, what founders can do to make their brands attractive to investors, and which

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49:39

Ep. 555: Beauty Inflation, the Best Facials In NYC &...

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2024/11/13

The $42 price tag on Patrick Ta’s new eyeshadow duo annoyed many in the beauty community, and we’re digging into why that might be. Have we been conditioned by the implied value of larger palettes? Is it general inflation anger? Dupe culture? Jenn & Garret discuss. Plus: An unprecedented counterfeit Botox scam; needles for cosmetic injections deform more quickly than providers may realize; and Jess, Jenn, and Garrett share the best facials (and aestheticians) in New York City.Episode recap with

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35:40

Best of FM: Tory Burch

Fat Mascara ·

2024/11/08

We’re kicking off the holiday season with Tory Burch: entrepreneur, philanthropist, designer (of Kamala Harris’s concession speech suit, FWIW), and an official member of the beauty community since her expansion into fragrance two years ago, when this interview first aired. We talk about how to take the pressure off decorating and planning for the holidays, scent memories, personal style, and why being perfect is never interesting. Enjoy!Episode recap with links:fatmascara.com/blog/tory-burchProducts

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37:21

Ep. 554: Monetizing Beauty Waste, Sleep Retreats &...

Fat Mascara ·

2024/11/06

It’s a fun and freewheeling episode with Jess & Jenn. The big topic: Why do some beauty brands send their products to D.I.F. (destroy in field) programs? Jess explains and talks about a business model that could be less wasteful. Plus: The succession game is over at Estée Lauder Companies; there's a new Nosferatu perfume; we're contemplating sleep retreats; Jess highlights the best products from EM Cosmetics; Jenn shares a liquid liner for mature and monolid eyes; and we have a heartwarming listener

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55:53

The Intersection of Beauty and Pop Culture with The...

Fat Mascara ·

2024/11/01

If you aren’t familiar with Ione Gamble and Gina Tonic, then you’re about to meet your British best friends. The hosts of The Polyester Podcast join Jenn and Jess for a fun and wide-ranging chat about the beauty discourse, including makeup microtrends, music fandom, The Real Lives of Mormon Wives, Victoria’s Secret, In Vogue: The 90s, underconsumption, the Y2K revival, pretty privilege, tweakments, treatments, and how TikTok and Twitter influence beauty culture.Episode recap with

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50:29

Ep. 553: Celebrity Veneers, Influencer Gifting & The...

Fat Mascara ·

2024/10/30

Jenn and Julee catch up on all the latest in beauty, from hair care for 10-year-old boys to why Jenn’s facial mist is the Nicole Scherzinger of skincare. We’re also talking about beauty brands with questionable influencer-marketing strategies; why Paullie Skin founder Anna Paul is hiding luxury gifts in customer orders; whether celebrity veneers are ruining movies; hair steaming; Haitian vetiver; and (in Science Corner) some evidence that aromatherapy might be effective even if you can’t smell the

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52:09

The Magic of Special Effects Makeup with Emily Schubert

Fat Mascara ·

2024/10/25

Makeup artist Emily Schubert, author of A24’s Beauty Of The Beast, shares her creative process for doing special-effects makeup, the artists who inspire her, how her body has influenced her work, and how she turned humans into creepy looking pets for a recent cover of New York magazine. Plus, she shares the products that are always in her kit and some ideas for last-minute Halloween costumes.Episode recap with links:fatmascara.com/blog/emily-schubertProducts mentioned in this episode:

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