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Feminine Chaos

Phoebe Maltz Bovy and Kat Rosenfield

Problematic faves, dissident feminism, and poodle interruptions: this is Feminine Chaos, featuring cultural commentary from Phoebe Maltz Bovy and Kat Rosenfield. femchaospod.substack.com

society & culture

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67:16

Outrage Nostalgia

Feminine Chaos ·

2025/01/10

Kat and Phoebe discuss the surprise comeback of home cooking discourse, the anatomy of the PR war between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, and how a dying political movement spawned the world's weirdest list of thought criminals.Links:Home cooking-gate: Kat on the Baldoni vs Lively mess:Phoebe on trans rights as omnicause The BARpod episode on Transgender Map: This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

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10:34

Premium: Milkmaids in the Raw

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/12/21

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a viral dress ad and all it contains (or, uh, doesn't). Also: straight woman studies, Alice Munro and the men who ask for performance reviews after rejection.LINKS:The pasteurized backlash:Phoebe's Sex & Politics appearance:https://savage.love/lovecast/2024/12/19/sex-politics-36-phoebe-maltz-bovy/What Alice Munro Knew - The New Yo…

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14:55

Premium: Hunks of Discourse

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/12/13

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a hot (alleged) killer, a perfectly nice-looking podcaster, the death of civility norms in digital space, interesting use cases for AI chatbots, and the Colleen Hoover movie Kat watched while couchlocked with the flu.LINKS:Ask us anything! Submit your question here:https://femchaospod.substack.com/p/amasKatie Herzog on "gay or Ita…

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64:29

Silent But Deadly

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/12/08

Kat and Phoebe discuss the character assassination of the “olfactory ethics” PhD lady, the actual assassination of an insurance CEO, and the anatomy of scapegoating. LINKS:The infamous October 7 tweet from Najwa Sharif Alawi: “what did y'all think decolonization meant? vibes? papers? essays? losers.”Kat Norman Rockwell-painting memes against murdering people in Midtown.The PhD Lady sagaDoes this book read as too parochial—or too 'Zionist'? The pitfalls of Writing While JewishPhoebe’s greatest

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14:18

Premium: Baby's First Dogpile

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/11/27

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss Victorian houses, emotional support pitbulls, Phoebe's "main character" debut, and whether every edgelord manlet posting "your body my choice" memes should be executed or merely jailed for life.Links:Phoebe did a fascism: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-problem-with-bluesky-it-wont-broaden-our-horizons/Phoebe d…

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14:37

Premium: Bluer Skies, Bloodier Meridians

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/11/21

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss their recent cameos off pod, the mass migration to Bluesky, and the literary sex scandal involving Cormac McCarthy and a teenage cowgirl. LINKS:Phoebe is famous!The Ethics of Self-Interpretation - Tablet MagazineKat on the BARpod:Episode 237: Time For A Re-Reckoning (With Kat Rosenfield)Phoebe on Other-Twitter: Cormac McCarthy’s S…

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16:26

Premium: The Great Asleepening

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/11/13

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss extruding our intestines (or not) in the wake of the election, and the history and future of woke media.LINKS:'Challah for Ceasefire'?: Phoebe Maltz Bovy on watching women's media walk the political tightropeKat urges artists not “to allow Donald Trump to live rent-free in our heads like some sort of perverse anti-muse”: Can we pl…

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52:39

Staying Together for the Squirrel

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/11/05

Kat and Phoebe discuss the late-breaking squirrel murder that could unite the nation, the places you can't go on a first date, and… hmm. Is something else happening today? LINKS:Government goons murder internet-famous squirrelWho ratted out P’nut the squirrel? Grieving owners have their theory — and it’s a rich oneKat (and other Free Press folks) on the symbols of the election:First dates: it's Le Cirque or nothing:https://x.com/bendreyfuss/status/1851756223185760668 This is a public episode. If

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15:03

Premium: Women Tripping Balls, Women Voting Walz

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/11/01

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comIn our last episode before the election, Kat and Phoebe discuss mushroom mommies, Britcom asexuals, cryptopolitical lesbians, and secret apostrophes.LINKS:Kat's investigative report: The Middle-Class Women Who Are Tripping Balls | The Free PressPhoebe's close read on Mrs. Councillor Nugent: 'Our forefathers practically went their entire lives without an…

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13:37

Premium: It's My Party and I'll DEI If I Want To

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/10/19

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the big NYT expose on the death of DEI, the trap of self-mythologizing, and the mystery of the Democratic party's man problem.LINKS:How DEI DIED: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.htmlPhoebe called this 1000 years ago:https://x.com/BovyMaltz/status/1846729114541015289The law school, THE LAW SCHOOL!

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10:29

Premium: Cancellable Cannibals

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/10/12

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss cancellable food takes and entertainment recommendations. Links:Post your cancellable food take!… WAIT NO NOT THAT ONESociety of the SnowKat on Megalopolis: Phoebe talking about Nobody Wants This on the CJN Bonjour Chai podcast

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55:55

I Decentered Men and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/10/06

Kat and Phoebe discuss a blackmail sextortion scheme, a pair of rabid and possibly incestual raccoons, and the de-centered men who can’t quite hit de center of de toilet bowl.NOTES:I Decentered Men. Decentering Desire for Men Is Harder. - The New York TimesWhat is going on in this picture:Do non-white men pee standing up? An unsolvable mystery.‘Am I a Snob Or Is He a Simpleton?’ - by Heather Havrilesky This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to

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15:13

Premium: Women and the Cartoons Who Hate Them

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/09/27

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comSpecial guest "C," a.k.a. Cartoons Hate Her, a.k.a. Donald Trump impressionist extraordinaire, joins the podcast to talk about the men who waste women’s fertile years in going-nowhere relationships, the myth of the nubile nanny, and the difference between an ultimatum and a marriage proposal. Also, Phoebe is not mad at the New York Times real estate sec…

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16:12

Premium: The Young and the Braless

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/09/22

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a sexual harassment training, a MeToo memoir, and a firing controversy at a very fancy New York City private school.LINKS:MeToo memoirs continue to trickle in: An artist retrospective: Montreal-born Jill Ciment's memoir asks 'Me Too?' after the factMy Adventures in Deconstruction | The New YorkerM.J. Koch’s Free Press story, My Fr…

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45:23

Premium: Pet Detectives

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/09/13

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the urban legend of cat-eating Haitians, Trump's not-so-great debate with Kamala Harris, and JD Vance's identity crisis.LINKS:Goose on the loose: https://x.com/AliceFromQueens/status/1834084575401717899Ted Cruz, not a literalist: https://x.com/tedcruz/status/1833174142591365185The actual cat-eater: born in the USA!Someone was accu…

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61:13

Dead Squirrels and Sweaty Sanctimony

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/09/08

Kat and Phoebe discuss a dead squirrel, a controversial magazine cover, and a New York Times essay on air conditioning by the world's smuggest, sweatiest man.LINKS:The New Yorker cover that launched a thousand takes:-Wesley Yang and others interpret the cover of the New Yorker: https://x.com/wesyang/status/1830979536986472586Counterpoint:https://x.com/MiriVinni/status/1831352406657167416Scissor statements: Sort By Controversial | Slate Star CodexPhoebe’s a/c guy rant: Sweaty but saintlyKat's ode to

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13:36

Premium: Bookstores and Boozehounds

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/08/27

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the cancellation of a Jewish book event by a rogue disgruntled employee, the changing character of Toronto's Roncesvalles neighborhood, and alcohol as a social good.LINKS:Bookstore drama: https://x.com/joshualeifer/status/1826086333875630245NY Post coverage: https://nypost.com/2024/08/21/us-news/nyc-bookstore-cancels-event-citing-…

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12:13

Premium: Hives and Jet Lag

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/08/20

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat was on a lot of drugs and Phoebe was on a plane for 729 hours, but we podcasted through it, so that’s fine. Topics include the scourge of AI image generators, Kat’s sort-of-viral essay about cat ladies, and Phoebe’s impressions of the Sex and the City sequel series.Links:If we had to see this so do you.Kat, defensive and coping:Phoebe on Euro aesthe…

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55:25

Farming Ballerinas

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/08/03

By popular request, Kat and Phoebe discuss ballerinas, farms, and Ballerina Farm.LINKS:The infamous Times article: My day with the trad wife queen and what it taught mePhoebe on Ballerina Farm: MomfluenzaKat on tradwives: The Paradoxical Freedom of Tradwife Tiktok This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe

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14:26

Premium: Hairless Cat Ladies

Feminine Chaos ·

2024/07/26

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the return of the self-flagellating white woman, the rise of Brat Girl politics, the war on childless cat ladies, and the petting of hairless cats.LINKS:On Wednesdays we wear... not pearls and Converse or we're racists.https://x.com/meghan_daum/status/1815884959204401336https://x.com/rekhilperts/status/1815467609069912123The white…

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