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Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast

Join Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise from Thirdspace for weekly conversations that ask how we might bring ourselves to life with as much courage and wisdom as we can. We start each episode with inspiring sources and then dive deep together into the questions and possibilities they open up. Find us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, YouTube and FaceBook, at www.turningtowards.life and at www.wearethirdspace.org

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385: All the True Vows

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2025/02/23

Underneath the necessary surface of our life - all the ways we accommodate, fit in, bend ourselves to taker care of one another - there is another deeper current. Sometimes we might go years without attending to this flow, maybe encountering it again only right at the end of our lives. We keep on finding through our conversations and our work how much it matters in a life to attend to the flow, to discover what it is saying, to find out the unique kind of truth that we can make with our own lives,

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27:22

384: Circling Around Through Time

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2025/02/16

When we see our lives only as a linear path from here to there, A to B, we put ourselves at the risk of endless comparison between 'where I am' and 'what might have been'. It's a comparison that does not often support us well, and it fuels an orientation that values youth ('I still have time to get to where I'm supposed to be') over age ('time is running out'). There is another way to look - to see that in many ways, alongside our achievements and disappointments, life is a circling. We move in a

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30:32

383: My Face is Real, Yours Is

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2025/02/09

We have choices to make in how we relate to one another. We can relate from something real in us, and choose to treat the others we are with as real. Or we can retreat into a 'hall of mirrors' when we relate to one another from the more protective patterns in us. Much becomes possible when we find a way to be real, to 'wake to each other' as we're invited to do by M C Richards in this week's source. A conversation about generosity, curiosity, courage and contactfulness - all qualities of great

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29:55

382: The Experience of Being Alive

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2025/02/02

Is our primary task in our lives to pursue meaning? Or is it first to learn how to be in ever more contact with our lives - to actually experience what happens inside us and outside us and bring the two into relationship with one another? It might well be the case that until we’re doing that, it’s very hard for us to be sensitive enough to our lives to even know if meaning is coming our way. A conversation about meaning, purpose, and the experience of life, with Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of

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35:08

381: The Light in Us

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2025/01/26

What happens when we recognise something original in ourselves and each other that exists prior to our individual stories and fears? When we see past the nest of our anxieties to what Mark Nepo calls 'the clear bird' - our essential nature that connects us to the very beginning of things - we might discover a profound basis for meeting life's complexities with wisdom and courage. When someone sees us fully enough to see beneath our fears to this essential nature, we wonder why we ever held our

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27:22

380: Try to Love the Questions Themselves

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2025/01/19

To live in the unresolved questions, tensions and contradictions of life is to be alive. To try to turn away from them, as if our lives could be question and confusion free is simply to drive the tensions inside us - to divide ourselves internally and to divide ourselves from life. We could see, as Lizzie says in this conversation, that "the tensions are life itself". So what does it take to live in the midst of life's complexity rather than turn away - to live life rather than pretend to live

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36:54

379: No Position is Correct for Long

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2025/01/12

We often hold onto positions, opinions and beliefs as a way of shoring ourselves up against the uncertainty of the world. And while our positions may have much integrity to them, it's most often the case that they're not the whole story, especially when faced with the complexity of the world, as well as the complexity of ourselves and other people.Holding on to a position too tightly can easily lead us into difficult places, but it can also be difficult to soften a position and even more

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34:16

378: Once Loved

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2025/01/05

Giving can, for many of us, be a fraught experience. Maybe we give to one another in the expectation of a particular kind of response or validation, and then maybe we get it… or not. Or we might hold back from giving as a way to keep ourselves safe from being exposed and getting things wrong. How we give to one another and how our giving brings life to both giver and receiver are our topic for this conversation. Is there a way we might find to enter into a more mutual, life-giving, trusting

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30:18

377: Learning to be Alive

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/12/29

“Worry is really misplaced imagination”, someone told us recently. In this conversation, we consider what it is to bring our rich capacities for imagination, reflection and attention to the living of our lives, rather than as a way to escape life. What becomes possible when we commit to being changed by our experiences, in much the same way that light illuminates and changes a room, rather than ‘going to sleep in the middle of the show’? And how much it matters that we engage fully in the work of

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27:55

376: Serious Play and Playful Seriousness

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/12/22

The delicate balance between taking life seriously and maintaining a sense of playfulness. How earnest conviction and dedication help us take care of what matters - our responsibilities and the people who depend on us. And the life-giving and vital counterweight of lightheartedness: how a looser grip on life can free us to imagine, deepen our contact with others, and create new possibilities. This week's Turning Towards Life is hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of

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36:25

375: Believe in Your Own Strange Loveliness

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/12/15

“People can be wonderful”, is where we begin this week’s conversation. How do we bring that forward, in the midst of all that can be so difficult, so that we can step-by-step make a world in which we meet one another with conversation, compassion, kindness, and welcome? And where do we need to start inside ourselves and with the ones closest to us in order to first glimpse and then act on this possibility?This week's Turning Towards Life is hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of

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374: Learning to Trust Life

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/12/08

We can make our lives very small by turning away from what we don't understand or what frightens us. And if we feel very separate from life, like somehow we are visitors from a far-off planet with no belonging to this planet, we can easily feel as if we have nothing to stand on as we face what is most difficult about life. In this week's conversation we begin with a source from Rainer Maria Rilke which invites us to know ourselves as not at all different from the life we are already in the middle

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31:34

373: The Patterns of Your Life Repeat Themselves...

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/12/01

Sometimes, changing our patterns can seem like the most enormous task. But maybe if we learn to gently take ourselves by the hand, instead of using force, we can find a gentler way into new stories and new ways of living in them. And maybe it's exactly this gentleness, this sense of possibility and hope in our essential goodness and capacity, that is most called for right now.Hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace. Join Our Weekly Mailing:

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32:26

372: Bonus: I Come to You With No Need to Be Fixed

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/11/26

We hit our first technical interruption in over seven years this week, when an operating-system update froze Lizzie's computer. We'll be back on track next week, but in the meantime here's a repeat of our most popular episode from back in 2021, which draws on the work of our cherished friend Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer. We're conditioned to think of ourselves and other people as in need of fixing, and it makes it so difficult for us to open to one another's beauty and mystery. So what if we could

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28:33

371: Not Trying to Be Perfect

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/11/17

How might we relate to the standards that our culture hands us around parenting, partnering, working, and being a person? On the one hand, they can be of immense value. They can give us a way to orient to what might be important and worth paying attention to. But on the other hand they can be stultifying, the source of endless comparison and self-criticism, and an impossible goal of perfection. And they can leave us feeling very alone as we look around us and imagine that other people’s lives are

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35:41

370: Intimacy With Life

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/11/10

Perhaps instead of trying to control our experience, to somehow ‘lift ourselves out of our lives’, we might find a way to be ever more contactful with life itself. Like a mother with her babies. Or like a fish with the stream. Or like the roots of the tree with the earth that gives it life. Might we find, in that softening and slowing, a way to inhabit our lives more fully and take care more skilfully of that which we care most about?Hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of

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33:27

369: Uncovering the Wisdom Within Us

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/11/03

What if life isn't calling us to reach for something outside ourselves, but instead to uncover and nurture the intelligence that's already within us? We examine how genuine maturity means moving beyond our childhood instincts of self-protection, discussing what it means to be truly "grown up" – a state where we can feel at home in our world regardless of circumstances. This isn't about shielding ourselves from life's challenges, but about allowing our inner wisdom to emerge and flourish so we can

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36:12

368: One Word Spoken Slowly by the Stars

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/10/27

We might see ourselves, as Ursula Le Guin writes, as ‘one syllable of a word spoken slowly by the stars’. In this episode we wonder together what is made possible when we reclaim and retell sacred narratives about being human, as an alternative to the mechanistic views of existence which tells us life is meaning-free and humans are accidents in a cold unfeeling universe. How might these more life-giving narratives help us open to what is around us, and the life-giving qualities in the world and in

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33:42

367: The Gift of Our Attention

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/10/20

Our attention is one of the most valuable gifts we can give to another. As radically social beings, we feel strongly when attention is genuinely brought our way with sufficient care and genuineness, and we long for it. And in the same way we are dignified and deepened when we bring our sincere attention to the world around us, to our experience, and to others. And so if attention is such a valuable gift and contribution to each of us, how is it that it can be so hard to bring it genuinely to those

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34:06

366: What Grief Wants

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast ·

2024/10/13

Some words about grief, and about grief's intelligence, and what it might be here to teach us both when it arrives in full force and when we 'catch a glimpse of it' in the moments with those we most cherish and love. How might grief - and its inevitability - open us to receive the life we are in the midst of right now, and how might it move us to take care of what and who we care about the most? Hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace. Join Our Weekly Mailing:

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