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Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary

Matthew Zachary Worldwide

Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary is the longest-running independent healthcare podcast. 17 years of unfiltered truth about American healthcare. Matthew survived brain cancer at 21, built the young adult cancer movement from nothing, and now channels patient rage into political power. Each episode features battle-scarred survivors, exhausted caregivers, and the rare insider brave enough to name what"s killing us. Real stories from real people who refuse to accept that healthcare has to

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00:39:59

Dancing Through the Wreckage: Sally Wolf

Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary ·

2025/05/20

What happens when you blend the soul of Mr. Rogers, the boldness of RuPaul, and just a pinch of Carrie Bradshaw? You get Sally Wolf.She’s a Harvard and Stanford powerhouse who ditched corporate media to help people actually flourish at work and in life—because cancer kicked her ass and she kicked it back, with a pole dance routine on Netflix for good measure. In this episode, we unpack what it means to live (really live) with metastatic breast cancer. We talk about the toxic PR machine behind

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00:40:35

OCRA, Acronyms, and Audra: The Nonprofit Multiverse...

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2025/05/13

Episode DescriptionAudra Moran is the President and CEO of OCRA—Ovarian Cancer Research Alliance—which means she spends her days doing things most of us wouldn’t survive five minutes doing: merging nonprofits, leading national patient support programs, funding lifesaving research, surviving pharma grant hell, and trying to reach every woman in America who might be slipping through the cracks. We talk about her time working with the Helen Keller National Center (yes, she knows finger spelling), her

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00:44:19

CancerCare Turns 81. Christine Verini Has the Keys

Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary ·

2025/05/06

Christine Verini is a pharmacist by training, a nonprofit CEO by title, and an unapologetic empath by design. She now leads CancerCare, one of the oldest, least-known, and most impactful organizations in the country that actually helps real cancer patients deal with the practical garbage no one likes to talk about—like paying rent, affording a ride to chemo, or feeding their kids.We talk about her career pivot from industry to impact, what it's like trying to scale empathy without losing your

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00:46:44

Jen Finkelstein: Wigs, Wegmans, and War Stories

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2025/04/29

Jennifer Finkelstein is not here for your pity, your pinkwashed slogans, or your performative awareness campaigns. She’s a 20-year young adult breast cancer survivor who turned trauma into a blueprint for action and built 5 Under 40, a no-BS nonprofit supporting women diagnosed with breast cancer under 40.In this episode, we go full Gen X therapy session—from SNL nostalgia and cold caps to the absurdity of finding out you have cancer while looking for the remote. Jen drops real talk about founding

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00:38:08

Kill Bill Meets Jane Fonda: Ilaria Montagnani

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2025/04/22

What happens when a black belt, sword-slinging fitness icon gets cancer—twice? She picks up a camera and dares the universe to test her again.Ilaria Montagnani is not your average anything. She’s been building strong bodies (and stronger minds) for over 30 years as the founder of Powerstrike. She’s part Jane Fonda, part Uma Thurman, and very much the action hero you wish was your personal trainer. In this episode, we talk about what happens when everything you built your life on—movement,

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00:40:01

Patient No More, Bullsh*t No More: Helene M Epstein

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2025/04/15

Helene M. Epstein is not here to make friends with the healthcare system. She's here to dismantle the bullshit, one catastrophic medical error at a time. An ad agency veteran turned patient safety firebrand, Helene’s journey from business development to writer to “badass queen of patient safety,” is one hell of a ride.We talk about how her son was misdiagnosed over 15 times (yes, really), why some doctors should come with warning labels, and how American healthcare gaslights patients like it's a

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00:44:06

Be Like Zach: Love, Loss, and Legacy

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2025/04/08

Jonathan and Jennifer Wall didn’t choose this path, but they’re walking it with purpose. After losing their son, Zach, they turned their grief into action, founding Zach’s Bridge, a lifeline for families navigating pediatric cancer. This episode isn’t about platitudes or silver linings—it’s about the raw, unfiltered reality of love and loss, the relentless unfairness of childhood cancer, and how the Walls are refusing to let their son’s memory fade into the void.Jon and Jenn open up about what

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00:50:31

Love Is Rare. Life Is Strange: My Best Friend Sarah

Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary ·

2025/04/01

Sarah Armstrong—forever Sarah Oakden to me, no matter what the legal documents say—isn't just my best friend. She's my first college friend, my musical theater soulmate, and the first person who truly saw me as an artist. She was there when I walked onto Binghamton’s campus, and she was there when I walked into cancer hell. And, because we’re nothing if not in sync, a few decades later, she got her own cancer badge of honor, and I was right there with her every step of the way. This episode is a

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00:39:22

Food for Thought: Cancer, Calories, and Kicking Ass

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2025/03/25

Food for Thought: Cancer, Calories, and Kicking AssVanessa Rissetto is back, and she’s bringing the same energy, wit, and unapologetic realness that made her a fan favorite. Last time, we talked nutrition and the rise of Culina Health. This time, life threw her a plot twist—breast cancer. Because, you know, irony. Vanessa was busy building a nutrition empire when she got diagnosed. So, naturally, she texted, “WTF do I do now?” to her closest cancer Sherpas—yours truly included. Spoiler alert: She

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00:39:23

HPV, Anal Cancer, and the Fabulous Ms. Lillian Kreppel

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2025/03/18

EPISODE DESCRIPTION Lillian Kreppel doesn’t hold back. A seven-year anal cancer survivor and co-founder of the HPV Cancers Alliance, she has made it her mission to challenge stigma, fight misinformation, and push for better awareness of HPV-related cancers. In this episode, she sits down with Matthew Zachary to talk about her journey from high-powered sales to full-time advocacy, the absurd misconceptions surrounding HPV, and why more doctors should be doing rectal exams—but aren’t. With her

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00:37:57

IMPOSSICANT! Grace Charrier’s No-Holds-Barred Cancer...

Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary ·

2025/03/11

Grace Charrier—a powerhouse advocate, author, and cancer survivor—whose journey from a Stage 3 triple-negative breast cancer diagnosis to global advocacy is nothing short of extraordinary. Originally from Nigeria, Grace's life was upended when she was diagnosed following an unexpected health scare. Instead of retreating, she turned her experience into action, launching Cancer Convos with Grace B, writing the memoir IMPOSSICANT!, and becoming a voice for patients navigating the complexities of cancer

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00:40:56

The Art of Healthcare Fuckery

Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary ·

2025/03/04

Buckle up, because Amy Gittelman is back, and this episode is one for the ages. A fellow SUNY Binghamton (yes, we still call it that) alum, Amy joins me for a hilarious and brutally honest deep dive into the absurdities of healthcare, insurance fuckery, and the general nonsense that plagues the system. From dodging medical debt landmines to battling insurance companies that seem hellbent on denying care, we go all in.But wait—there's more! We reminisce about our Binghamton days, debate the

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00:42:35

Unf*cking Healthcare with Deb Gordon

Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary ·

2025/02/25

Welcome to another episode of Out of Patients, where we get real about the absolute circus that is the American healthcare system. If you've ever been trapped in a medical billing nightmare, gaslit by insurance reps, or just generally felt like healthcare is an elaborate game designed to screw you—this one’s for you.Joining me is the indomitable Deb Gordon, a relentless champion for healthcare consumers, co-founder of Umbra Health Advocacy, and co-director of the Alliance of Professional Health

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00:41:28

Cancer, AI, and the Meaning of Life

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2025/02/18

You know how some people enter your life with a knock, a bang, or maybe even a LinkedIn request? Not Rebecca Batterman, returning champion to Out of Patients, making her dramatic second appearance, Back in 2019, she karmically appeared like a plot twist in a film noir—unexpected, inevitable, and full of surprises. An AI strategist, an optimist (yes, those exist), and a young adult cancer survivor, Rebecca is here to school us on everything from the future of AI in healthcare to why nostalgia is a

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00:43:59

The Big Talk: Where Legacy Meets Spotlight

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2025/02/11

Tricia Brouk isn’t just a storyteller—she’s a story architect, crafting narratives that connect humanity. A former ballet dancer turned award-winning director, choreographer, and transformational speaker coach, Tricia brings her unique journey to the mic in this captivating conversation. From dancing in iconic opera houses to choreographing Hollywood blockbusters, she has mastered the art of turning moments into movements.In this episode, Tricia and I dive deep into the magic of storytelling as a

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00:46:08

Mad Science: AI, Mental Health, and the Future of Sanity

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2025/02/04

Get ready for a wild ride with Matt Lewis, the Tony Stark-meets-Jerry Seinfeld of the mental health AI world. As a multi-degreed polymath, Matt has been ahead of the curve on AI since MySpace was a thing. In this episode, we dive into everything from neuroethics and AI-powered mental health solutions to existential fears of Skynet ruining your day. Matt shares the real scoop on how AI can revolutionize diagnosis, therapy, and even the very definition of sanity—while hilariously lamenting the

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00:15:44

[BONUS] HannahPod: A Solo Act with Dad

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2025/01/30

What happens when you give a 14-year-old the mic and let her fly solo without her twin brother? Magic, that’s what. This episode of Out of Patients features my daughter, Hannah, on her seventh (yes, seventh) appearance on the show, but this time she’s stealing the spotlight solo. From reminiscing about slushy Christmas Eves and rare baby illnesses to deep dives into the hexagonal perfection of honeycombs, this mini-episode is packed with wit, banter, and a healthy dose of dad jokes. We touch on

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00:36:53

The Natanya Experience: A Tsunami of Wit, Wisdom, and...

Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary ·

2025/01/28

Prepare for a whirlwind of brilliance with Dr. Natanya Wachtel—a self-proclaimed "failed therapist" turned media maven, behavioral strategist, and all-around badass. In this episode, we dive into her transformative journey from navigating personal loss to spearheading innovative mental health initiatives and reimagining her own identity in a world that loves labels. From her esoteric love of theater and eclectic career in Big Pharma to candid insights about obesity, Ozempic, and the not-so-great

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00:36:16

“Don’t Google It” with Jen Singer

Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary ·

2025/01/21

Back for Round 2 and wielding her wit like a machete, Jen Singer returns to Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary. Cancer survivor, heart failure "graduate," and creator of the 'Just Diagnosed Guides,' Jen has seen it all — and she's here to help YOU see it all more clearly. From dismantling medical jargon to calling BS on "Stay Strong" toxic positivity, this conversation is a masterclass in how to survive, thrive, and laugh in the face of life's curveballs. Need a guide on what to do the day sh*t

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00:37:39

No Time for Why: Sean Wachter Returns

Out of Patients with Matthew Zachary ·

2025/01/14

Prepare to be inspired and entertained as Sean Wachter returns to Out of Patients! Sean, aka "The Cancer Fighter," is a two-time melanoma survivor, professional wrestler, coffee shop entrepreneur, and self-proclaimed 'f**ked up Forrest Gump.' With a resume that includes Madison Square Garden, WWE dreams, and a 'We Got This' People's Champion belt, Sean's journey of triumph over cancer (and doctors who didn’t believe him) is nothing short of extraordinary. This episode dives into Sean’s fight against

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