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Need To Know

The Need to Know Podcast delves into the reality of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) and explores its implications for all of us. Hosted by two of the most respected voices in the field, award-winning investigative journalists Richard Dolan and Bryce Zabel, the show delivers smart, in-depth conversations about one of the most profound mysteries of our time. Each week, Dolan and Zabel bring their decades of expertise in investigative reporting, broadcasting, and storytelling to break down the

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58:41

(20) 23 & Me

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2023/05/25

With Ross on assignment, Bryce has found a very worthy fill-in: Chrissy Newton, Founder of VOCAB Communications and Podcaster for The Debrief. A self-described UFO/UAP fanatic since age six, the Toronto native hosts the podcast "Rebelliously Curious with Chrissy Newton." Among the items on the table in this episode: "Confirmation" vs. "Disclosure," an upcoming NASA meeting in which UAP might come up, and the future of of Sean Kirkpatrick's career. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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56:41

UFO/UAP Hearings, Leaks & Briefings

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2023/04/26

A week after the Senate's latest UFO/UAP hearing, Bryce and Ross have calmed down enough to talk about it - especially the lack of any "it." Ross pounces on the video of a sphere, and Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's comment that his group "has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics.” Bryce is not happy that the one sitting Senator who's been to space, Arizona's Mark Kelly, didn't attend the public hearing but DID

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66:52

UFO Hearing Preview

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2023/04/15

Ross and Bryce spend a lot of time taking down those who have sought to denigrate, deny and ridicule the search for UFO/UAP answers in the past several decades. And they hope it doesn't happen again next week when a sub-committee of the Senate Armed Services Committee holds a hearing on the subject. Both have plenty of questions they'd love to share with the panel chair, New York Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand. And both will 'wait and see' just how forthcoming witness Sean Kirkpatrick, who runs the

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57:04

Would You Like Some Danish With Your UFO?

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2023/04/02

Ross Coulthart is on assignment in Australia and will return with Bryce for the next Need to Know episode in less than two weeks. In the meantime, we're happy to share this: Bryce's interview with Frederik Dirks of DR, the public radio service of Denmark. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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71:01

UAP: The Ides of March

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2023/03/16

After dealing with a house full of illnesses, Bryce is ready to carry on! And there is a lot to unpack, including reports of two members of Congress getting a classified briefing - were they shown pictures? Did two noted UFOlogists get punked by a fake government official? Also: a look back at 1973, when sightings were happening everywhere and the President of the United States allegedly gave a UFO tour to Mr. Saturday Night. Ross and Bryce conclude by updating their "fizzle or sizzle" predictions

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65:07

99 Chinese Balloons?

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2023/02/16

This is the podcast from our first live YouTube episode - a quick follow-up to the Big Balloon Mystery. Ross and Bryce try to unravel what's known and unknown - and what we can learn from top government officials saying he's "not ruling out anything" regarding the providence of the three objects shot down over the Arctic, the Canadian Rockies and Lake Huron. Ross excoriates the mainstream media for "getting in line." And Bryce says teh overall UAP question is bound to be an element in the 2024

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62:28

Chinese Balloon Misdirect

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2023/02/10

Is all the talk about Chinese spy balloons just a mis-direct by the Defense Department? Ross makes the case, and why the mainstream media is lapping it up. Ross also has a lot to say about Jacques Vallee’s new book. Bryce links the term "Majestic" to his "Dark Skies" series, and offers praise for two other UAP-related podcasts: "Weaponized" with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, and "Merged" with Ryan Graves. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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49:32

The Report is Out!

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2023/01/13

Ross and Bryce can't wait another week to pour over the government report on UAP that was due in October, but is now public. Both are underwhelmed by the clearly intentional effort to make it as dull as possible. They also cover the coverage, disagreeing about the tone of a New York Times article. Ross thinks it's a big milestone toward legitimacy. Bryce is outraged by the condescension. As always, it's great stuff. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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68:57

The NDAA is Law!

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2023/01/06

The National Defense Authorization Act - the bill in which Congress tells the Defense Department what to spend its money on - contains revolutionary language about reporting UAP - and those initials now mean something new! Ross reads directly from the bill about protecting anyone who comes forward to talk about sightings, discoveries and much more. Also, vital talk about the weather, various kinds of football, and the US House of Representatives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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65:11

The NY Times' Five Year UFO Anniversary

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2022/11/29

Bryce and Ross mark two anniversaries in this episode. It's been one month since the deadline for Congress to release a new UAP report. And we're close to the five-year anniversary of the New York Times article on the $22 million Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program at the Defense Dept. It's regarded as the first truly series piece by a mainstream media organization on UFO research. And as for the Congressional UAP report that was due at the end of October? Bryce is not happy. Learn more

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67:58

Late UAP Report!

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2022/11/01

The Director of National Intelligence was supposed to deliver to Congress its first annual unclassified update on Unexplained Aerial Phenomena this past Monday, October 31st. As of this posting on November 1st, the report has not been delivered. But there have been leaks that Ross and Bryce believe are credible. And they've asked two prominent UFOlogists to talk about it. Ryan Robbins is behind the YouTube channel Post Disclosure World. Cristina Gomez does blogs, social media and four shows on

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62:48

Core Secret

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2022/10/21

Is it real? Bryce and Ross go in-depth on the importance and veracity of a memo allegedly written by astrophysicist and government consultant Eric Davis after his meeting with Admiral Thomas Wilson in October of 2002. The memo, if it's real, recounts Wilson's attempts to learn about the US Government's UFO research programs, and how he was rebuffed at every turn. Bryce and Ross "Go Broadway," and re-enact a significant part of the memo, then discuss why Davis has never confirmed that he wrote it and

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62:27

Witness to a UFO - In The Middle of Battle in Ukraine

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2022/10/06

Ross and Bryce are back with a look at recent developments, including the ODNI's short-lived saucer logo, the return of the International UFO Conference (Bryce will be speaking!), the Defense Authorization Act, and the fact that Florida's Senate race will yield a pro-UAP Senator regardless of the outcome. But the bulk of this episode is their conversation with John Chapman. The retired British Army soldier decided he'd seen enough carnage from Ukraine, and took his considerable skills to the front

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68:09

UFOlogy Must Die?

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2022/09/15

It's a packed podcast addressing a long list of developments, especially the recent article by Lue Elizondo entitled "UFOlogy Must Die." They're not going that far, but Ross and Bryce do understand Lue's frustration with UFO Twitter and the out-sized outrage over every tiny scrap of something - or nothing. Also: disappointment at the Navy's refusal to release some videos; will the upcoming Congressionally-mandated regular UAP report contain an "October Surprise?" And Bryce updates the hunt for that

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81:43

7NEWS Spotlight Special Edition

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2022/08/25

This is a very different, and special episode. It's the audio from Ross and Bryce's production for Australia's 7NEWS. And includes some eye-opening information straight from the people who know - and who have witnessed UAP. Among those you'll hear from: former US Navy fighter pilot Ryan Graves, artist, filmmaker and ufologist Jeremy Corbell, and Prof. Gary Nolan. And Bryce tells the tale of a shadowy guy who showed up at his house during a party for the cast and crew of "Dark Skies." This is not an

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66:44

Virtual Beers

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2022/08/15

Ross and Bryce make good on the 'contest' for followers of the show to enjoy a beer with the hosts - albeit virtual. The winners: Kieran Corcoran and Rob Sheridan, two friends from Wicklow, on the east Irish coast just south of Dublin. It was truly a global connection, as Ross joined at 10am Saturday, Kieran and Rob stayed up until 1am on their Saturday, while Bryce and producer Rich Johnson enjoyed their easy happy hour beers at 5pm Friday. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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59:59

UAP: Real Change Ahead?

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2022/08/05

Ross and Bryce are back, explain where they've been, and dive into three deep subjects: First: new language from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that may grant immunity for potential witnesses not only in government but in private aerospace. Also: Is Gary Nolan the new Lue Elizondo? The Stanford professor has been raising his profile in the UAP community, and has granted Ross a wide-ranging and shocking interview (which we'll play in a later episode). Finally, a discussion that only

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53:51

Beyond Nimitz

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2022/07/14

Bryce and Ross welcome Dave Beaty to the podcast. He's an investigative filmmaker who's produced "The Nimitz Encounters," a film about UAP encounters around US Navy ships from 2004 to 2019. As Dave writes on Medium: "When I first learned about that curious case of the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz, 100 miles off the coast of San Diego, CA in Nov of 2004 I was enthralled by the descriptions of a 50-foot-long white capsule-shaped UFO that had out-paced F/A-18F Super Hornets." You can watch the film at

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59:30

The Summer of the Saucers

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2022/06/22

Bryce and Ross mark 75 years since 1947, "The Summer of the Saucers." It's considered the beginning of the modern UFO era. They recount a couple of prominent incidents in those early days, and flash forward to today and word that NASA will launch a UAP study - albeit a very quick and barely funded study. Also: are drones the new swap gas? That is, an easy and lazy way for UAP doubters to explain away sightings? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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63:09

The Estimate of the Situation

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2022/06/06

This episode's title comes from the 1948 document produced by Project Sign, which the head of the Air Force ordered destroyed. Also: with more than two weeks to think about it, Ross and Bryce have more to say about the Congressional hearing on UAP -- including results of a couple of listener surveys. They also come up a few questions that lawmakers SHOULD have asked. And Ross explains why any talk about drones being an explanation for an UAP sighting is idiotic. Hint: drones can't fly that fast,

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