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Extra Spicy

San Francisco Chronicle

Join host Soleil Ho as they attempt to decipher the bizarro happenings of the food world alongside a mix of fascinating folks. They dismantle diet culture and angry chefs, cover the restaurant apocalypse and pandemic pivots, and dish out advice you didn"t know you needed. Extra Spicy will stimulate your mind and your appetite.

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40:30

Brogurt & Burgers: Dude Food, Explained

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2021/02/08

What is “dude food” and where does it come from? Dr. Emily Contois explores these questions and more in her new book, "Diners, Dudes, and Diets: How Gender and Power Collide in Food Media and Culture." She dissects how Powerful Yogurt was created to appeal to men, the power that marketing departments have in upholding the patriarchy, and the many ways that “the dude” remains a privileged masculine figure. Send us your questions about food, life and everything you’re obsessed with at

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37:52

The Restaurant Apocalypse Is Upon Us

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2021/02/01

The coronavirus pandemic has devastated the restaurant industry since its outset in March. In the wake of shutdowns, paired with little material help from the government, more than 1,000 restaurants and bars have permanently closed across the country, leaving hundreds of thousands of people out of work. Restaurateur Samir Mogannam of Beit Rima, former restaurateur Hetal Shah of August 1 Five, Golden Gate Restaurant Association Executive Director Laurie Thomas, and former restaurant and cafe worker

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Extra Spicy Season 2

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2021/01/16

A new season of Extra Spicy is coming soon! Join hosts Soleil Ho and Justin Phillips as they attempt to decipher the bizarro happenings of the food world alongside a mix of fascinating folks. They dismantle diet culture and angry chefs, cover the restaurant apocalypse and pandemic pivots, and dish out advice you didn't know you needed. Extra Spicy will stimulate your mind and your appetite. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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29:05

2020: What Was This Nonsense?

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2020/12/28

In the final episode of season 1, hosts Soleil Ho and Justin Phillips apply their question, “What is this nonsense?” to the year 2020. From a KFC movie to the politics of French Laundry dinners, the hosts are wrapping up their top nonsense from a year like no other. Extra Spicy will return with season 2 on January 25, 2021. Send us your questions about food, life and everything you’re obsessed with at sfchronicle.com/spicy. | Unlimited Chronicle access: sfchronicle.com/pod Learn more about your ad

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32:21

Kevin Vaughn Talks Travel Writing

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2020/12/21

In this week's episode, hear Soleil Ho and Justin Phillips' full interview with Kevin Vaughn: a writer, cook and tour operator based out of Buenos Aires, Argentina. Vaughn discusses travel writing, the problems within travel media and deconstructing ideas of how to tell the story of another place. Send us your questions about food, life and everything you’re obsessed with at sfchronicle.com/spicy. | Unlimited Chronicle access: sfchronicle.com/pod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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49:57

Aubrey Gordon Discusses Anti-Fat Bias

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2020/12/14

The author who until recently wrote under the moniker Your Fat Friend talks to Soleil Ho and Justin Phillips about the social realities of being a very fat person, the fallacy of tying morality with health, how fat people have difficulty getting the healthcare they actually need, and much more. Send us your questions about food, life and everything you’re obsessed with at sfchronicle.com/spicy. | Unlimited Chronicle access: sfchronicle.com/pod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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35:39

Bonus: Chef Anthony Salguero on Salvadoran Food in...

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2020/12/07

Anthony Salguero, chef / founder of Popoca in Oakland, was a guest on Extra Spicy back in August. In this bonus episode, you can hear Soleil Ho's full interview with Salguero, who talks about bringing traditional Salvadoran wood-fire cooking and recipes to the Bay Area and an evolving restaurant culture. Send us your questions about food, life and everything you’re obsessed with at sfchronicle.com/spicy. | Unlimited Chronicle access: sfchronicle.com/pod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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Bonus: Dessert Potatoes with Daniel M. Lavery

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2020/11/30

Extra Spicy is off for the season, but we're leaving you with a series of bonus episodes during the holidays. In this week's episode, we're bringing back Soleil Ho's full interview with Daniel M. Lavery, a writer and advice columnist who has produced satirical writing on the rhetoric of beans, breasts and "Columbo" in his newsletter, Shatner Chatner. Lavery talks about potatoes for dessert, imaginary restaurant ideas and the persistence of the dinner table as the place where family tensions come to

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40:41

Roman Mars: How the Pandemic is Transforming Restaurants

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2020/11/23

The author and host of the design and architecture podcast 99% Invisible talks about how the pandemic creates an opportunity to make restaurant design more resilient by innovating parklets and reclaiming outdoor space. He also digs into how delivery apps and contactless delivery are destroying people’s empathy towards restaurant workers. Plus: This is the last episode of the season! Hosts Soleil Ho and Justin Phillips will release bonus episodes for the rest of the year and are preparing for a

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37:40

Breaking Up with Diet Culture

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2020/11/10

Virgie Tovar, author and podcast host of the Rebel Eaters Club, talks about diet culture: what it is, how it feels and how we can push against it in favor of a less punitive way of thinking about how we eat. Battling fatphobia is about more than just changing attitudes on a personal level, she says. Hosts Soleil Ho and Justin Phillips also discuss how food writers and food media at large have perpetuated myths about diets and eating. Send us your questions about food, life and everything you’re

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36:27

How a Recipe Can Become a Protest

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2020/11/09

“Chinese Protest Recipes” is an antiracist zine from chef and activist Clarence Kwan, who insists food and cooking are political. Kwan joins hosts Justin Phillips and Soleil Ho to discuss his project, the recipes and anti-Black racism within Asian communities. Plus: some tea is spilled about Drake, Kwan’s fellow Torontonian. Send us your questions about food, life and everything you’re obsessed with at sfchronicle.com/spicy. | Unlimited Chronicle access: sfchronicle.com/pod Learn more about your ad

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36:40

Food Photography Is a Meritocracy — If You’re a White...

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2020/11/02

Food photographer Oriana Koren talks about their work researching and documenting Black contributions to American cuisine, including their notable feature on underground chefs in South L.A. As a Black, non-binary professional, they talk about the politics and power behind the camera — including the extra work it took them to establish a career in food media. Plus: Co-host Soleil Ho got an orb. Send us your questions about food, life and everything you’re obsessed with at sfchronicle.com/spicy

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41:01

Food Pop-ups in Legal Limbo

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2020/10/26

While AB-626 legalized the permitted sale of home-cooked food, most California counties have not developed a permitting process, creating a legal gray area. Katie Valenzuela, an incoming Sacramento city councilmember who helped work on the bill, joins Justin Phillips and Soleil Ho to discuss the origin and iterations of the new policy, how it affects racial and class equity, the role of the pandemic, and the importance of being civically engaged. Read a transcript of the full interview, and send us

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39:15

Three-Michelin-Starred: A Fine Dining Legacy, Burned...

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2020/10/19

Located in Napa Valley’s St. Helena, the highly acclaimed Restaurant at Meadowood was destroyed on September 28th by the massive Glass Fire, which scorched close to the 67K acres in Sonoma and Napa counties. Under the leadership of executive chef Christopher Kostow, the decades-old resort restaurant earned accolades for its artistic, garden-to-table cuisine. The owners of Meadowood Napa Valley, which housed the famed restaurant, have since vowed to rebuild the property. But amid the news of its

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36:16

A Foodie's First Impressions of the Bay Area Food Scene

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2020/10/12

Serena Dai, the new senior features editor for The San Francisco Chronicle, talks about her first impressions of the Bay Area food scene and why food writing continues to fascinate her. Dai worked closely with co-host Soleil Ho to produce The Chronicle’s Top 87 Restaurants list and explains why food accolades are here to stay, even amid a global pandemic that has upended the industry. Fun fact: Dai, a veteran food editor and reporter, hasn’t eaten a single avocado since she moved here from New York

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34:23

What Wildfires Mean for California Wine

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2020/10/05

With more than a dozen California wineries damaged and even more threatened by smoke tainted grapes, this season might prove to be calamitous for the wine industry. Chronicle wine critic Esther Mobley talks about the wineries impacted by fire, the economic toll of the one-two punch of the coronavirus pandemic and wildfires, and what the future of Wine Country might look like as climate change makes fires more frequent and more intense. Read a transcript of the full interview and send us your

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34:03

Barbecue That's Worth the Wait

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2020/09/28

Matt Horn, the pitmaster and proprietor behind Horn BBQ, talks about his journey from cooking in a backyard in Tracy and putting on a roaming Bay Area pop-up to opening a highly anticipated brick-and-mortar space in Oakland. Horn’s Texas-style barbecue has become the stuff of legend, earning him regional and national acclaim, as well as a spot on this year’s Top 88, The Chronicle’s list of top Bay Area restaurants. Hosts Soleil Ho and Justin Phillips break down why Matt Horn's barbecue — from his

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38:25

Comfort Food for Your Pandemic Hunger

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2020/09/21

As the coronavirus pandemic keeps stress levels elevated, Brenda Buenviaje, chef and owner of an eponymous restaurant mini-empire, shares her coping strategy: producing YouTube cooking videos with her son. Plus: Buenviaje discusses having a French Soul Food menu in the Bay Area, while Justin and Soleil explore the concept of comfort food. Read a transcript of the full interview, and send us your questions about food, life and everything you’re obsessed with at sfchronicle.com/spicy. | Unlimited

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38:08

Don’t Call the Cops on Pop-Ups

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2020/09/14

Palestinian chef Mona Leena Michael went from heading up Oakland’s Middle Eastern restaurant, Dyafa, to putting up a Mana’eesh pop-up once the coronavirus pandemic struck. Michael talks about how the Alameda County health department shut her operation down due to an anonymous complaint — even during a global health crisis that has rendered many food industry workers like her unemployable. Plus: Michael shocks co-host Soleil Ho by saying that she’s “elevating” Palestinian cuisine. Read a transcript

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37:47

Mark Canha: Big League Foodie

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2020/09/07

Baseball players are mostly steakhouse guys, but Mark Canha of the Oakland A's is a self-proclaimed food influencer. Canha talks about his unlikely turn as a Bay Area food influencer and how he connects with his fans via his food-centric Instagram account, @BigLeaugeFoodie. Canha is rethinking the types of restaurants he eats from amid the coronavirus pandemic and talks about how food has kept him connected with his loved ones while living in isolation during the season. Plus: Canha gives listeners

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