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The Pain Cave

The Pain Cave is a free-flowing conversation with a wide variety of guests from the worlds of running and exercise science. We talk about physiology, sports science, politics, music, beer, and occasionally running.

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Episode 82 - Emergency Des Linden Pod with Phil...

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2021/04/16

It’s our second-ever EMERGENCY POD, and we finally wore down Paul Kentor (a.k.a SteelTownRunner) to come on the show and share his unparalleled fund of ultrarunning knowledge with us. We discuss Des’ amazing (if not unexpected) performance, the history of the road 50K as a competitive event (on the world scene not much), the historical context of this performance, and where we’d want to see Des go next.LinksAmong many other articles about this, here’s irunfar’s coverage of the WRSteelTownRunner on

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Episode 81 - This Month in Ultrarunning with Phil Vondra

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2021/04/12

It’s been a LONG time since our last TMIU episode, so here goes! Phil is back in the Pain Cave to discuss all things ultrarunning, including his return to racing at GDR, results from the first two GT races of the year, the Barkley Marathons, and the Ohio Backyard ultra. (We touched on the Carbon X2 record attempt in February’s shoe draft episode, so decided to skip it here.) We also talk about the changes to the Western States lottery rules, Taggart vs. the haters, Koop vs. everybody, and much

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Episode 80 - Twenty Questions with Cole Crosby

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2021/03/04

We’re back on the 20 Questions beat with #beastcoast stud and US National Snowshoe team member Cole Crosby. We talk to Cole about his recent run across the entire length of New Jersey, plus ducks, horses, motivation, pizza, and much more.Links:Cole’s business, Cresting the SummitCole on IGBeers for this episode: Lawson’s Sip O’ Sunshine, Woodstock Brewing Mega Super Pixelated DIPA, Jackie O’s Mystic Mama, Ommegang Abbey AleIntro music: "Fine Line" bythe BloodlettersOutro music: "When I Was Still

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Episode 79 - The Shoe Draft with Bryon Powell and Ian...

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2021/02/16

We’ve drafted ultrarunning fantasy teams, we’ve drafted the elements of the perfect aid station, and now we’re drafting the perfect shoe closet. Bryon Powell of iRunFar and Ian Golden of the Trails Collective join Phil and I for a brief state-of-the-sport discussion before we select our favorite all-time shoes in each of eight different categories. Charge your flux capaciters and gas up your DeLoreans, we’re taking you back to 1993…and even a little farther.Vote here for the winner of our

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Episode 78 - Twenty Questions with Kaytlyn Gerbin

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2021/02/02

The defending champ at Transgrancanaria and the newly minted holder of the Wonderland Trail FKT, Kaytlyn Gerbin faces her toughest test: the 20 Questions hot seat. We talk about her favorite races, snowboarding, watermelons, weird costumes, and much more.Links:Instagram: @kaytlyn_gFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/kaytlyng/Strava: https://www.strava.com/pros/kaytlyn_gTwitter: https://twitter.com/kaytlyn_gerbinBeer for this episode: Sixpoint Sweet ActionIntro music: "Fine Line" bythe

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Episode 77 - Getting to Know Taggart VanEtten

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2021/01/05

We start the new year off right with a visit to the Pain Cave from Taggart VanEtten. Who is that, you ask? He’s the triathlete-turned-marathoner who shocked the ultrarunning world with an outstanding 12:19 win at the Tunnel Hill 100 in his ultramarathon debut. Taggart tells us about how his tri background helps him as an ultrarunner, why he decided to run Tunnel Hill this year, his training and nutrition, and more. LinksFollow Taggart on InstagramTaggart’s blogDesert Island Picks: How Bad Do You

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Episode 76 - Year in Review with Dylan Bowman

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2020/12/29

Time to bid goodbye to the possibly the strangest year in ultrarunning history. Phil and I do a quick recap of recent results before we welcome back the great Dylan Bowman to look back at the yar that was and to make our picks for Ultrarunner of the Year, Performance of the Year, FKT of the Year, and much more.Links:DBo’s websiteDBo on the Pain CaveDBo’s podcast, The Well (soon to be rebranded as Pyllars)Beers for this episode: Other Half DDH Monteuka + Galaxy, Peak Organic Slim Hazy, Great Notion

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Episode 75 - Twenty Questions with Patrick Reagan

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2020/12/22

The pride of the #Beastcoast, Patrick Reagan, joins us in the Pain Cave for another edition of 20 questions. We talk about his favorite race, why he like racing in hot weather, playing guitar, racing 100s, why watermelon is awesome, and much more.Links:Follow Patrick on InstagramPatrick’s websiteInterested in being coached by Patrick?Beers for this episode: Jackie O’s Who Cooks For You, Peak Organic Slim HazyIntro music: "Fine Line" bythe BloodlettersOutro music: "When I Was Still Young"

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Episode 74 - Twenty Questions with Sabrina Stanley

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2020/12/14

Phil gets to fanboy out as we welcome in defending Hardrock champ Sabrina Stanley to the Pain Cave to sit on the 20 Questions hot seat. We cover Sabrina’s exploits on Nolan’s 14 this summer, her favorite race and toughest race (hint: they’re the same race), which one of us won the Ultrarunning Fantasy Draft by selecting her (hint: it was me), and more.Links:Follow Sabrina on InstagramThe truth will out: the Women’s Ultrarunning Fantasy DraftBeers for this episode: Equilibrium/Great Notion Juice =

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Episode 73 - South West Coast Path FKT with Kristian...

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2020/11/20

British ultrarunner Kristian Morgan had to forego a second attempt on the Appalachian Trail this summer due to the travel restrictions in place because of the pandemic. Instead, he stuck close to home and took on the longest trail in the UK, the 630-mile South West Coast Path, taking aim at the four-year-old record set by the great Damian Hall. Kristian joined us for the third time in the Pain Cave to talk about his experiences on the trail, training during the pandemic, running with gratitude,

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Episode 72 - Confronting Failure with Zoë Rom

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2020/11/10

Trail running beast Zoë Rom is the Associate Editor of Trail Runner magazine and the host of the DNF Podcast—a show about “failure in life and running…about unfinished business, and the unglamorous work of picking yourself up, dusting yourself off, and moving on.” Zoë joins us to talk about failure vs. hardship, overcoming fear, practicing self-compassion, FKTs, sled dog racing, and more. Also, how to say “hedgehog” in Italian. LinksZoë’s website and coaching siteSocial media: Strava, IG,

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Episode 71 - Truckin' with Jake Jackson

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2020/11/03

In the past two years, SoCal native Jake Jackson has progressed from a solid competitor on the southwestern trail-running scene to a top-10 finish at the 24-hour World Championships. Jake joins us on the show to talk about his meteoric rise to becoming one of the top US runners ever at 24 hours, how he balances his training with full-time work and family obligations, why he started working with a coach, battling imposter syndrome, and more.LinksFollow Jake on InstagramJake runs for rabbit, Spring

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Episode 70 - Rockin' Out with Tony Fletcher

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2020/10/19

Are you ready to rock? Author, music journalist ,and trail runner Tony Fletcher makes his face-melting debut in the Pain Cave. We talk about how he cut his teeth in the British punk scene of the late 1970s, becoming a de facto professional journalist at fourteen, the Who vs. the Stones, trail running in the Catskills, traveling around the world, Crystal Palace, and more.LinksTony’s website, where you can find info on his books and his blogOne Step Beyond, Tony’s excellent podcastInstagram and

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Episode 69 - This Month in Ultrarunning with Phil Vondra

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2020/10/13

Nice! The Legend is back for a “This Pandemic in Ultrarunning” update, as we check in on some of the recent trail and ultra races starting to every so slowly come back on line. We cover results from the Bear 100, IMTUF, Yeti, and Stumpjump and discuss our own returns to racing at Cat’s Tail and 3 Days at the Fair. Plus, we discuss qualification for the Golden Trail finale, the starting field for Hardrock 2021, miniature goats, and more.Beer for this episode: Treehouse Julius, Lagunitas DayTime

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Episode 68 - Twenty Questions with Megan Roche

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2020/10/09

It’s a Some Work, All Play party in the Pain Cave this week as we welcome physician, epidemiologist, coach, author, and five time US trail running champ Megan Roche onto the 20 Questions hot seat. We talk about Megan’s favorite race, her dream running partner, the loss of the North Face 50, how to cook a scoby, and much more.Links:Some Work, All Play (Team SWAP)The SWAP Adventure PodcastMegan’s book, The Happy Runner (and our interview with co-author and husband David)Beers for this episode:

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Episode 67 - Twenty Questions with Bob Hearn

The Pain Cave ·

2020/09/23

Continuing with our 20 questions format, and fulfilling our goal of interviewing the entire podium from the Last Annual Vol State, we welcomed Bob Hearn into the Pain Cave and onto the 20Q hot seat. Since turning 50, Bob has become one of the best and most consistent 24-hour and multi-day runners in the US, holding national age-group records at 24 and 48 hours. We chat with Bob about his favorite races, his most embarrassing moment, training, diet, peaking, and more.Links:Bob’s blogBeers for this

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Episode 66 - Twenty Questions with Ellie Pell

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2020/08/31

This week we’re trying out a new format that we’ll be using from time to time: Twenty Questions, where we’ll attempt to find out everything you never wanted to know about your favorite ultrarunners, or get to know someone you may not know all that much about. For our inaugural attempt at this we welcome in Beastcoast marathon and ultra stud Ellie Pell. If you’re not familiar with Ellie, maybe you should be. Despite her youth she’s had a bevy of top-flight performances on both the road and trail,

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Episode 65 - Domination at Vol State with Francesca...

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2020/08/03

In what SteelTownRunner describes as one of the greatest multiday performances ever, full stop, Francesca Muccini just obliterated the women’s course record at the Vol State 500K, out-dueling pre-race favorite Bob Hearn in winning the race outright for the second time in the second-fastest performance ever at this insane event. Phil and I welcomed Francesca into the Pain Cave to learn about her background and get the story of her incredible run.Links:Professor MucciniLAVSPhil’s story from Vol State

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Episode 64 - Return to Racing at Vol State with Phil...

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2020/07/28

Maybe you don’t know why we call him the Legend. THIS IS WHY. Phil Vondra is back in the co-pilot’s chair for this episode, as we blow through a couple of notable FKTs and pay lip service to the gradual restarting of the 2020 race schedule. Then, we dive into the main event—a recap of Phil’s incredible, epic, dare I say LEGENDARY performance at this month’s Last Annual Vol State, an insane 500KM race across Tennessee. Phil gives us the scoop on racing in 100+ degree heat, sleeping on park benches,

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Episode 63 - Gender Equality and the Ultimate Aid...

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2020/06/23

As we discussed in our recent podcast with Yassine Diboun, the ultrarunning community is generally a very welcoming one—but one in which diversity still continues to lag. While the sport strives for inclusivity, only about a third of ultrarunners are female. We we very happy to be joined in the Pain Cave by elite ultrarunner Aliza Lapierre, who called in from the Northeast Kingdom to discuss the gender gap in ultraunning and steps that we can take to open the sport up to more female athletes. The,

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