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Industry Relations

Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson

This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider"s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.

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01:01:13

Rob and Greg look ahead to 2025

Industry Relations ·

2025/01/01

In this final episode of the year, Rob and Greg deliver their predictions for 2025, exploring how the real estate industry will evolve. They tackle everything from transaction volumes and mortgage rates to the fate of MLSs and the potential unraveling of the three-way agreement. Along the way, they discuss societal trends, like the importance of community and the role associations can play in bringing people together, while reflecting on industry dynamics and the future of key players like

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53:56

2024 ORE Year End Recap

Industry Relations ·

2024/12/25

In this Industry Relations episode, Rob and Greg reflect on the pivotal events of 2024, dubbing it “The Year of the Settlement.” They analyze the seismic shifts in real estate, including the impact of high-interest rates, low inventory, NAR’s declining influence, and the ripple effects of major lawsuits. The duo also previews what these changes could mean for 2025 and beyond, setting the stage for a new era in real estate. Key Takeaways • 2024: A Year of Change: Why the settlement and other

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53:22

Choking on NAR's Kielbasa

Industry Relations ·

2024/12/18

In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg tackle the latest controversies surrounding NAR and the recent investigative article from The New York Times. They debate the role of lobbying, explore accusations of corruption and financial mismanagement, and reflect on the broader challenges facing NAR’s leadership and reputation. Key Takeaways • NAR and Lobbying Controversy: Discussion on how NAR funnels money to political groups through entities like the American Property Owners Alliance

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01:04:37

Supply, Demand and Deregulation with Professor Bryan...

Industry Relations ·

2024/12/11

Overview In this special episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg welcome economist and author Professor Bryan Caplan to discuss his latest book, Build Baby Build: The Science and Ethics of Housing Regulation. The trio dives into the housing crisis, exploring how deregulation could address affordability, inequality, and other societal issues. Bryan’s insights challenge conventional thinking, offering bold solutions for the future of housing. Key Takeaways • Core Argument: Bryan argues that

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58:09

Understanding both sides of the housing market

Industry Relations ·

2024/12/04

Episode Summary: In this episode, Rob and Greg tackle the latest developments in the housing market and its broader implications for real estate professionals. From dissecting the DOJ’s recent moves to exploring how transactions and home prices define market strength, the duo brings sharp insights and engaging commentary to these critical topics. Discussion Highlights: • DOJ’s Statement of Interest: What it means for buyer agreements and competition in the real estate market. • Market Metrics

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53:53

What the DOJ’s recent Statement of Interest really...

Industry Relations ·

2024/11/27

Episode Summary: In this timely episode In this timely episode (recorded Monday, November 25), Rob and Greg dive deep into the DOJ’s recent statement of interest in the Burnett settlement. They break down the key points raised, including the potential antitrust concerns surrounding the requirement for buyers to sign agreements before home tours and the broader implications for real estate brokers and agents. The discussion highlights: • The DOJ’s clarification that compliance with the NAR

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58:51

The knowns and unknowns of NAR leadership decisions

Industry Relations ·

2024/11/20

In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into the latest developments in the real estate world, focusing on leadership, membership dynamics, and the challenges facing NAR in 2024. They engage in a spirited debate about leadership priorities, assessing Nykia Wright’s tenure as CEO, and what it takes to steer an organization during turbulent times. Key Takeaways • Leadership Dynamics: A breakdown of the responsibilities and criticisms of Nykia Wright’s first year as CEO of NAR. •

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56:11

And they all fall down...

Industry Relations ·

2024/11/13

Greg just landed back home from NAR Boston and Rob is curious to what insights he learned. Greg’s main insight is that he isn’t as young as he once was. 1. Election Impact on Real Estate: • Rob and Greg delve into the recent election results, exploring how potential changes in government could impact HUD and real estate policies. • Debate on the future leadership of HUD and the potential impacts on the industry. 2. National Association of Realtors (NAR) Conference Recap: • Greg shares insights

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01:00:56

Industry Relations Podcast: The Worst of All Possible...

Industry Relations ·

2024/11/06

Episode Overview Rob and Greg explore how the upcoming election could reshape the real estate industry, focusing on regulatory impacts, DOJ actions, and antitrust issues. They also discuss potential changes to industry practices and transparency in agent behavior. Key Topics 1. Election Predictions: • Friendly wager on election outcomes, with predictions on how results could shift real estate policies, especially through DOJ and FTC actions. 2. Antitrust Settlement and NAR Challenges: • Tanya

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58:27

Endless Opportunities with Jack Miller of T360

Industry Relations ·

2024/10/30

Overview: Rob and Greg talk with Jack Miller, CEO of T360, about the recently released “Opportunity Report” and its significance for the real estate industry. The discussion focuses on how real estate leaders can navigate current challenges and seize opportunities in the face of regulatory changes, declining transaction volume, and industry consolidation. Key Topics: 1. The Opportunity Report: • A newly released report from T360, available for free at theopportunityreport.com. • Provides a

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52:37

Canned Spam

Industry Relations ·

2024/10/23

In the latest episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg venture into a thought-provoking discussion about disaster preparedness and self-reliance. While they typically focus on real estate, this episode broadens the scope, offering practical insights on how to be ready for unexpected emergencies like natural disasters or social unrest. Rob, who has fully embraced the prepper lifestyle, breaks down the importance of planning for short-term disasters, emphasizing the need for essential supplies

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01:01:39

The Industry Needs To Stop Fronting

Industry Relations ·

2024/10/17

It seems everyone in the industry is still obsessed with CCP. Rob and Greg are no different. The show starts off with Rob giving Greg some advice on his upcoming client meetings, but quickly shifts to the recent back and forth about CCP. Greg thinks that industry players like Compass CEO Robert Reffkin to stop spreading misinformation about MLS. Rob says there is blame on both sides. Things get interesting from there. Watch us on YouTube! Connect with Rob and Greg: Rob’s Website Greg’s

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47:30

Whadup with dat PDAP?

Industry Relations ·

2024/10/09

Many people don't know or understand NAR's PDAP. PDAP stands for Participant Data Access Policy. And PDAP is at the heart of today's episode. Rob and Greg dive deep into the topic of who actually owns MLS data. The answer, as it turns out, really depends on who you ask. But we’re living in a new world where private MLS ownership is becoming a reality, and also what are those second order consquences? Greg also catches up with Rob about Rob's meetings with brokers and their opinions on MLS data

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59:06

Tales from the Road

Industry Relations ·

2024/10/02

After missing a recording last week (due to travel schedules) the boys are back with another jammed pack episode of Industry Relations. In this week’s episode Rob and Greg discuss recent Blueprint conference in Las Vegas, CMLS 2024 in Seattle and REColorado new subscriber agreement. And they sprinkle a little CCP talking points just for good measure. Watch us on YouTube! Pictures of Greg’s sister, Pilar, winning her own award Pictures of Greg presenting at CMLS 2024 HousingWire post on

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01:03:04

CCP Musings

Industry Relations ·

2024/09/20

On this episode of Industry Relations Rob and Greg discuss, for what seems to be the 17th time, the current rumors about the Clear Cooperation Policy. Rob recently posted a few thoughts on the subject and a few solutions to what seems to have the entire industry tied up in knots. What they soon realize, there are no easy answers. Watch us on YouTube! Connect with Rob and Greg: Rob’s Website Greg’s Website Our Sponsors: CoreLogic Notorious VIP The Giant Steps Job Board This podcast is produced

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01:03:35

Reading the tea leaves too early and what may be...

Industry Relations ·

2024/09/11

Rob and Greg are back to their regularly scheduled broadcast! The episode includes discussion on Landian, the new “a la carte” brokerage launched by Josh Sitzer, yes, that Sitzer. Rob discusses his recent Sub Stack post on “Amara’s Law and Real Estate” and how we shouldn’t read too much in to how things are going with the NAR settlement. The boys also discuss online dating, new business models, capitalism and agent count. But somehow they bring it all together. Watch us on You Tube! Connect

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57:46

Industry Relations Podcast: iOi, NAR's new CEO, the...

Industry Relations ·

2024/09/05

Greg joins Rob from Chicago where he was attending NAR's iOi Summit. Greg gives his experience of being at the iOi Summit and discusses the pitch battle and his favorite new app, Tuesday, and its founder Cole Boyer who won "Crowd Favorite". They go on to discuss NAR's decision to appoint Nykia Wright as their new CEO and if experience in organized real estate or connections in Washington D.C. really matter. As you can imgaine Greg and Rob have different opinions. They finish with discussing the

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01:00:44

Industry Podcast Mash-Up

Industry Relations ·

2024/08/28

Rob and Greg teamed up with James Dwiggins and Keith Robinson from the Real Estate Insiders Unfiltered podcast during the recent Inman Connect Las Vegas event. From the complexities of forms and commission sharing, to the pros and cons of state association forms, the guys got into it. They explored the potential for conspiracy charges in a post-settlement world and discussed the unintended consequences of recent MLS changes. They also tackled determining property value without compensation data,

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01:02:42

Ethics and Transparency in Communication

Industry Relations ·

2024/08/21

Are you up to date on the recent changes in MLS rules and buyer agency agreements? In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into the controversy surrounding these updates and discuss the ethical implications for agents. From forgery to enforcement, confusion to challenges, this conversation covers a lot of ground. They shed light on the need for a substantive approach to reform in the real estate industry, while addressing the loss of trust between practitioners and those making the rules. With potential

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58:22

Forgery & HOA Karens

Industry Relations ·

2024/07/31

Are you a real estate broker or agent grappling with the NAR settlement's requirement for written buyer agreements before showings? Rob and Greg dive deep into the controversy, debating the pros and cons of charging clients and exploring the potential consequences of non-compliance. They also discuss the evolving role of listing agents, the ethical dilemmas of dual agency, and the challenges of enforcing the new rules. Link to Melissa from Twitter Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available

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