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Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast (DtSR)

Rafal (Wh1t3Rabbit) Los

This is Cybersecurity"s premier podcast. Running strong since 2011 Rafal Los, James Jardine, and Jim Tiller bring a no-nonsense, non-commercial approach to our profession. DtSR brings interviews and discussion with people you want to meet, and stories you have to hear. So whether you"re just starting out, or are decades deep into your career, you"ll always learn something on this show.On Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/@DtSR_PodcastOn YouTube:

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36:21

DtSR Episode 646 - Ward Pyles on Human Centric...

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2025/03/25

Send the hosts a message - try it now! TL;DR: This week Ward Pyles joins Jim Tiller and myself to talk about a relatively unremarkable topic - people-centric security. We've talked about it a bunch but it's not until this episode that something finally clicked in my brain. When Ward talks about the data that security needs - see if you can pick it up too. Also - I'm trying some new bonus content - the "After Show" which is a 2-5 minute post-show bit where we post what's said after t...

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24:30

DtSR Episode 645 - Zero Trust Applied in the Real World

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2025/03/18

Send the hosts a message - try it now! TL;DR: This week's episode is a sit-down in person at Zero Trust World 2025 (sponsored by ThreatLocker) with Ryan Benner. Ryan's the caretaker of "anything that powers up", as he puts it, which means this small organization's security is also his responsibility. So how do you do it with next to no staff, and on a small budget? And how do you even begin to "Zero Trust" your network? Listen in. YouTube Video: https://youtu.be/JUMcWFNsVaA Drunk AgileDan V...

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44:40

DtSR Episode 644 - Inside the Minds of Great Product...

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2025/03/11

Send the hosts a message - try it now! TL;DR: This week's episode shifts the focus from leadership in the enterprise, to leadership in the vendor space. Building security products that innovate, inspire, and meet market and customer demand is far from trivial. Meet two of the best in the business - Arash Marzban and Bryan Lares - and hear what makes the job exciting, and how they make it great. YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live/wA9-vgusyI0 Drunk AgileDan Vacanti and Prateek ...

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39:55

DtSR Episode 643 - A CISO's Guide to the First 90 Days

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2025/03/04

Send the hosts a message - try it now! TL;DR: This week's podcast features the wisdom and wit of Merlin Namuth - currently serving as the CISO for the city & county of Denver. Merlin provides insights into how he views the first 90 days of a CISO's role with a new organization, frameworks and processes he goes through to get his bearings and start a successful residency. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/8y7bsKlBBXE?feature=share Support the show >>> If you're reading this,...

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23:49

DtSR Episode 642 - Chase Cunningham An Epic Zero...

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2025/02/25

Send the hosts a message - try it now! TL;DR: This episode was recorded live from Zero Trust World 2025 in Orlando, FL sponsored by ThreatLocker. Chase Cunningham joins after finishing an epic keynote where he eviscerates security dogma and the repeated stupidity of the Cyber sector. Chase & Rafal discuss Zero Trust, implications, implementation, and value. YouTube: Big thanks to ThreatLocker for hosting Zero Trust World 2025 - can't wait to get back next year! Support the show...

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38:58

DtSR Episode 641 - Kevin Fielder Security Principles...

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2025/02/18

Send the hosts a message - try it now! TL;DR: On this episodes we welcome Kevin Fielder, CISO @ NatWest Boxed & Mettle, Advisor, investor, Coach, and speaker to talk about building guard rails and principles to minimize security's negative impact on business and technology while raising the bar for attackers. YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/xYPdHkUW0TQ Support the show >>> If you're reading this, consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=...

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39:03

DtSR Episode 640 - A Practitioner View of Security...

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2025/02/11

Send the hosts a message - try it now! TL;DR: This week is a real treat! Eva Georgieva - a seasoned cybersecurity automation engineer - joins me, James, and Jim to talk about automation in cyber. We talk about challenges, what to automate first, good versus bad automation, and even get a little practical. YouTube: https://youtube.com/live/lA20Mgl3AxE Support the show >>> If you're reading this, consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=...

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49:24

DtSR Episode 639 - Richard Bird Famous With 12 People

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2025/02/04

Send the hosts a message - try it now! TL;DR: This week's episode features a long-time-coming discussion with Richard Bird discussing his book "Famous with 12 people", and the "influencer culture" in cybersecurity. It's an interesting discussion on how our industry works, and who makes it really turn. YouTube: https://youtube.com/live/hk42GbjzDZQ?feature=share Support the show >>> If you're reading this, consider clicking the link above to support the show! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-...

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35:48

DtSR Episode 638 - Matt Shufeldt Cyber Security's...

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2025/01/28

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: This week's episode is all about a growing issue in CyberSecurity (and I'm sure it's there in other disciplines as well) - "specialization" or more to the point "over-specialization". Why is it a problem? Matt Shufeldt, a returning guest and friend of the pod, joins us to talk about it and suggests some ways we can avoid the giant iceberg we're careening into.YouTube: https://youtube.com/live/q_3uYcdYaw4Support the show>>> If you're readin...

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45:28

DtSR Episode 637 - Amanda Berlin Build SMB Tools That...

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2025/01/21

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: On this episode Amanda Berlin, Senior Product manager at Blumira, joins Jim and Rafal to talk about her career, the second edition of her book, and building products for SMBs that "don't suck". The unfortunate fact is that there aren't a lot of products designed for the unique challenges of companies that can't afford an army of security analysts, or consultants.YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/rvXqjBU5M4kSupport the show>>> If...

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42:40

DtSR Episode 636 - CISO Perspectives Kayla Williams

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2025/01/14

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: Kayla Williams, CISO of Devo, joins Rafal & James on this episode to talk about her career path, the importance of the "financial perspective" and the need for well-rounded security leaders who understand business first and foremost. A wonderful episode for leaders and those who want to be.YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/axl8V-ayMjUSupport the show>>> If you're reading this, consider clicking the link above to support the ...

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63:59

DtSR Episode 635 - The State of Trust 2025

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2025/01/07

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: Oh boy. Welcome to 2025, and the first podcast of the year is off to a flyer. Robert "RSnake" Hansen & Patrick Dennis join Jim and I to talk about "trust" - and we touch on everything from AI to politics and everything in between.What state is trust in, and why is it really bad? And ... now what?!Required background reading:Patrick's original post: https://www.extrahop.com/blog/how-brittle-is-trust-in-an-era-of-continuous-compromiseMy hot-...

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DtSR Episode 634 - The 2024 Year End Episode

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2024/12/31

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: On this lengthy and very informal episode of the podcast, James, Jim and I close out the year with James Robinson (CISO of Netskope) and Rock Lambros (Founder of Rock Cyber, and Author) as we discuss a wide range of topics you're going to have to listen in to get the details of. Wrap up 2024 by joining us for the EOY episode, and spread the new year cheer.YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/kT3FmXKsz5ESupport the show>>> If y...

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46:43

DtSR Episode 633 - Getting the Band Back Together

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2024/12/24

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: On this Christmas episode of the podcast, I (Rafal) get together with two of my team from back in the Optiv days - Mark Arnold & MacKenzie Brown - to talk about some of the things we accomplished, and the need to perhaps resurrect some of our work. We have a little fun along the way, too.YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/Y5NHMo69T1ESupport the show>>> If you're reading this, consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=...

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56:34

DtSR Episode 632 - The Politics of Detection Response...

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2024/12/17

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: This week is a special show - where Raja Mukerji (Co-Founder, Chief Scientists at ExtraHop), Paul Farley (Field CTO, TrustedSec), and Anton Chuvakin (Security Advisor at Office of the CISO, Google Cloud) join Rafal, James, and Jim to talk about the honest politics of "the operations part of security". Whether you call it SOC, Security Operations, Cyber Defense Center, or whatever - what it does, how it functions, and how it's measured matter. ...

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47:12

DtSR Episode 631 - Building and Securing Extreme...

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2024/12/10

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: If you've ever wondered what kind of skill, scale, and engineering goes into building carrier-grade (and bigger) infrastructure this episode is for you. Joe DePalo (Executive Vice President & Chief Platform Officer at Netskope) joins Jim & Rafal to talk about his time building some networks that just blow our minds. You'll enjoy this episode if you're into networking.YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/U2UwSYdX1UM?feature=shareCozen O’C...

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38:22

DtSR Episode 630 - We Need to Talk About Algorithm...

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2024/12/03

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: Our guest this week is Marcus Carey, who wrote a piece (with one heck of a clickbait title, as he admitted) that calls out the biases we see in algorithmic (or "AI") processes. The panel including Rock Lambros and Jeff Collins discusses where the trouble lies, how it manifests, what can be done about it, and what's next.YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/dopwV5Z2VdM?feature=shareMarcus's original post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts...

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35:25

DtSR Episode 629 - What The Hell Is Identity Security

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2024/11/26

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: New intro alert! On this episode, we welcome Hed Kovetz from SILVERFORT - a company in the "identity security" space. If you're scratching your head and asking "what the hell is identity security?" - this episode is for you. We asked the same question, and Hed walked us through it. A wonderful primer on Identity Security for security professionals.YouTube Video: https://youtube.com/live/6r0fCs_me9ICozen O’Connor Public Strategies - The ...

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39:45

DtSR Episode 628 - Rob Allen Endpoint Security Does...

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2024/11/19

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: Join us on an adventurous conversation in the wild and wacky world of endpoint security. At a time where evolution seems to have come to a standstill, there are things going on you may not be aware of. Endpoint security doesn't have to suck - this conversation with Rob Allen (Chief Product Officer at ThreatLocker) may give you some new hope, or at least make you chuckle at Rob's "emotional support microphone".YouTube video: https://youtube.com/live...

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61:32

DtSR Episode 627 - Talent Gap Lies and Truths

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2024/11/12

Send the hosts a message - try it now!TL;DR: On this spicy episode where returning guest Erik Bloch joins us, we host Lee Kushner to talk about the talent gap. Is there a talent gap? Who's to blame for the mess we're in right now? And of course, what to do next? For anyone who's job hunting, trying to understand the cyber job market, or trying to hire... this episode and conversation is for you.Sorry about the intermittent audio issue, I think it was a weird echo I couldn't quite pin down.You...

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