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The Modern Therapist"s Survival Guide with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy

Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT

The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide: Where Therapists Live, Breathe, and Practice as Human Beings It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when clinicians must develop a personal brand to market their private practices, and are connecting over social media, engaging in social activism, pushing back against mental health stigma, and facing a whole

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41:56

What Therapists Need to Know About Immigration: An...

The Modern Therapist"s Survival Guide with Curt... ·

2025/03/27

What Therapists Need to Know About Immigration: An interview with Andy Strait Curt and Katie chat with Andy R. Strait, Esq., about immigration policies, mental health, and the role of therapists in supporting immigrant clients. They explore legal challenges, asylum cases, and the impact of fear-driven policies on mental health. Strait emphasizes the importance of legal representation, knowing one’s immigration status, and providing accurate resources. Therapists can help by offering pro bono

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Reacting to Regime Change: How Therapists Can...

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2025/03/24

Reacting to Regime Change: How Therapists Can Advocate for our Clients and Communities Curt and Katie chat about how the United States has shifted since the inauguration of President Trump. We look at how therapists can advocate for their clients and the communities they serve and/or live in. We look at strategies for therapists to stay informed, provide vetted resources, and be present for clients who may be struggling with the changes. Transcripts for this episode will be available at

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35:07

When Your Client Dies By Suicide: An interview with...

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2025/03/17

When Your Client Dies By Suicide: An interview with Dr. Nina Gutin Curt and Katie chat with Nina J. Gutin, Ph.D. about to discuss the emotional, professional, and systemic impact of client suicide on clinicians. We break down the common reactions of guilt and blame, highlight the importance of postvention support, and explore strategies to navigate grief and maintain clinical confidence. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com! In this podcast episode, we talk about the

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29:31

Stop Wasting Your Time on Awareness Campaigns

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2025/03/10

Stop Wasting Your Time on Awareness Campaigns Curt and Katie chat about the limitations of performative awareness campaigns and the need for action-oriented advocacy. Inspired by the article Stop Raising Awareness Already by Ann Christiano and Annie Niemand, they critique viral campaigns like Kony 2012 and the CDC’s zombie apocalypse campaign, highlighting the importance of targeting the right audiences, crafting compelling messages, and developing a theory of change. Transcripts for this episode

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36:18

MFTs Providing Therapy Across State Lines Through...

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2025/03/03

MFTs Providing Therapy Across State Lines Through License Portability in the United States: An interview with Roger SmithCurt and Katie chat with Roger Smith, Chief Advocacy Officer and General Counsel for American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, about the challenges and progress in licensure portability for Marriage and Family Therapists (MFTs). He explains why AAMFT opted for an endorsement model over interstate compacts, the success of the Access MFTs initiative, and what’s next

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43:11

The Advances in Artificial Intelligence for Mental...

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2025/02/24

The Advances in Artificial Intelligence for Mental Health: An interview with Dr. Alyssa DietzCurt and Katie chat with Dr. Alyssa Dietz, a clinical psychologist and digital mental health expert, about the evolving role of AI in therapy. Dr. Dietz discusses how AI can enhance therapy by delivering evidence-based care, particularly in structured approaches like CBT, while acknowledging its limitations with complex, multi-diagnosis cases. She emphasizes the need for collaboration between therapists and

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37:59

Exploring Systemic Trauma and Relational Privilege...

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2025/02/17

Exploring Systemic Trauma and Relational Privilege with BIPOC and LGBTQI Couples: An interview with Akilah Riley-Richardson Curt and Katie chat with Akilah Riley Richardson, MSW about the challenges therapists face when working with BIPOC and LGBTQI couples. Akilah discusses the impact of systemic trauma, how it affects relationships, and the importance of creating therapeutic models tailored to marginalized communities. She introduces The PRIDE Model for therapy and The BIOME Stance for therapists,

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33:07

How Therapists Can Truly Help After a Disaster

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2025/02/10

How Therapists Can Truly Help After a DisasterCurt and Katie chat about the impact of the recent Los Angeles wild fires on therapists, their clients, and communities. We explore the importance of self-assessment, responsible crisis response, and balancing personal care with providing support. From donating (and marketing) services ethically to understanding trauma timelines, Curt and Katie provide practical advice for therapists navigating community-wide disasters. Transcripts for this episode will

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41:08

Helping Parents Become What They Needed as a Child:...

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2025/02/03

Helping Parents Become What They Needed as a Child: An interview with Bryana Kappadakunnel, LMFTCurt and Katie chat with Bryana Kappakunnel, LMFT about conscious parenting, discussing how self-awareness, emotional regulation, and healing personal triggers can help parents foster healthier and more connected relationships with their children. With a background in infant and early childhood mental health and her upcoming book Parent Yourself First, Bryana offers valuable insights for therapists and

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27:49

Identifying the Graduate Program for the Career You...

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2025/01/30

Identifying the Graduate Program for the Career You Want – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Eden LathemIn this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our final interview is with Eden Lathem, a second-year Marriage and Family Therapy (MFT) student at Lipscomb University in Nashville, Tennessee. Eden shares her path from working in prison education and with individuals with disabilities to finding her

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41:35

Becoming a Therapist as a First Generation Immigrant...

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2025/01/27

Becoming a Therapist as a First Generation Immigrant – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Marvin VasquezIn this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our third interview is with Marvin Vasquez, a first-year Marriage and Family Therapy (MFT) student at California State University, Northridge (CSUN), which is an all in-person program. Marvin shares his journey into therapy, shaped by his immigrant

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38:18

Finding Alignment in a Second Career – Special Series...

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2025/01/23

Finding Alignment in a Second Career – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Iris Wilson-FarleyIn this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our second interview is with Iris Wilson-Farley, a 54-year-old trans woman and graduate student pursuing her Master’s in Clinical Mental Health Counseling at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Iris shares her journey moving from a 32-year corporate

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38:37

From Broadway to Grad School – Special Series...

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2025/01/20

From Broadway to Grad School – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Derek Isetti In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our first interview is with Derek Isetti, a 50-year-old graduate student in a two-year Master of Social Work program at California State University, Stanislaus. Derek shares his journey from careers in musical theater and speech-language pathology to pursuing a career in

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40:37

What if You Hate Private Practice?

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2025/01/13

What if you hate private practice?Curt and Katie chat about the realities of private practice and why it isn’t the idyllic career path it’s often made out to be. We dig into reasons therapists may dislike private practice, like financial instability, isolation, lack of accountability, and ethical concerns. We also share ways therapists can navigate these hurdles and find fulfillment in their work. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com! In this podcast episode we talk

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39:01

REPLAY - Outside Obsessions

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2025/01/06

REPLAY - Outside ObsessionsWe’re still on vacation, but we wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 95: Outside Obsessions. In this episode we talk about how to handle the hobbies and goals in our personal lives that can be all consuming, especially if they come into the therapy room. You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 95

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REPLAY - It’s Time to Think About Your Goals

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2024/12/30

REPLAY - It’s Time to Think About Your Goals We’re on vacation, but we wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 18: It’s Time to Think About Your Goals. This is one of our first episodes and you can see what we were working on for 2018. This episode is timeless and timely. Happy New Year, all! You can see the original show notes and transcripts for

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An ER Doctor Reflects on Gun Violence, Health...

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2024/12/23

An ER Doctor Reflects on Gun Violence, Health Inequities, and Moral Injury: An interview with Dr. Ruby J. Long Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ruby Long, ER doctor and restorative justice advocate, about the devastating impact of gun violence in the U.S. and its designation as a public health crisis. Dr. Long highlights its rise as the leading cause of death for children and adolescents and shares the emotional toll on healthcare providers. She reflects on compassion fatigue and moral injury in the ER,

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43:17

Reporting Back from the Behavioral Health Tech 2024...

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2024/12/16

Reporting Back from the Behavioral Health Tech 2024 Conference Curt and Katie chat about Katie’s attendance at the 2024 Behavioral Health Teach conference. Katie reported back on investment trends, how Value Based Care is being understood and implemented, and how therapists can navigate these tech disruptors and evolving business models. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com! In this podcast episode we report back on updates in the behavioral health tech space We

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38:48

Working for 988: Insider Perspectives

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2024/12/09

Working for 988: Insider PerspectivesCurt and Katie received feedback on our recent one year follow-up episode on the rollout of 988. We received responses from a person who was working within the 988 system as well as someone who started going through the training for the text crisis hotline. We were able to put more depth into our understanding of how this system works. We explored training, supervision, funding, potential equity issues, and concerns for staff. We also share ideas for

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38:04

How Do Therapists Get Paid?

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2024/12/02

How Do Therapists Get Paid?Curt and Katie chat about how community mental health as well as insurance, hybrid, or private pay practices get money and pay their workers. We emphasize the importance of recognizing the financial realities of the mental health profession and how advocacy can drive change in the field. We also encourage therapists to understand the systems we work in and engage in conversations about financial transparency and sustainability. Transcripts for this episode will be

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