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The Road to Accountable AI

Artificial intelligence is changing business, and the world. How can you navigate through the hype to understand AI"s true potential, and the ways it can be implemented effectively, responsibly, and safely? Wharton Professor and Chair of Legal Studies and Business Ethics Kevin Werbach has analyzed emerging technologies for thirty years, and created one of the first business school course on legal and ethical considerations of AI in 2016. He interviews the experts and executives building accountable

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39:10

Kevin Bankston: The Value of Open AI Models

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2024/10/17

This week, Professor Werbach is joined by Kevin Bankston, Senior Advisor on AI Governance for the Center for Democracy & Technology, to discuss the benefits and risks of open weight frontier AI models. They discuss the meaning of open foundation models, how they relate to open source software, how such models could accelerate technological advancement, and the debate over their risks and need for restrictions. Bankston discusses the National Telecommunications and Information Administration's recent

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36:46

Lara Abrash: How Organizations Can Meet the AI Challenge

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2024/10/10

In this episode, Professor Kevin Werbach sits with Lara Abrash, Chair of Deloitte US. Lara and Kevin discuss the complexities of integrating generative AI systems into companies and aligning stakeholders in making AI trustworthy. They discuss how to address bias, and the ways Deloitte promotes trust throughout its organization. Lara explains the role and technological expertise of boards, company risk management, and the global regulatory environment. Finally, Lara discusses the ways in which

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39:49

Adam Thierer: Where AI Regulation Can Go Wrong

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2024/10/03

Professor Werbach speaks with Adam Thierer, senior fellow for Technology and Innovation at R Street Institute. Adam and Kevin highligh developments in AI regulation on the state, federal, and international scale, and discuss both the benefits and dangers of regulatory engagement in the area. They consider the notion of AI as a “field-of-fields,” and the value of a sectoral approach to regulation, looking back to the development of regulatory approaches for the internet. Adam discusses what types of

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37:15

Reggie Townsend: The Deliberate and Intentional Path...

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2024/09/26

In this episode, Kevin Werbach is joined by Reggie Townsend, VP of Data Ethics at SAS, an analytics software for business platform. Together they discuss SAS’s nearly 50-year long history of supporting business’s technology and the recent implementation of responsible AI initiatives. Reggie introduces model cards and the importance of variety in AI systems across diverse stakeholders and sectors. Reggie and Kevin explore the increase in both consumer trust and purchases when they feel a brand is

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41:15

Helen Toner: AI Safety in a World of Uncertainty

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2024/09/19

Join Professor Kevin Werbach in his discussion with Helen Toner, Director of Strategy and Foundational Research Grants at Georgetown’s Center for Security and Emerging Technology. In this episode, Werbach and Toner discuss how the public views AI safety and ethics and both the positive and negative outcomes of advancements in AI. We discuss Toner’s lessons from the unsuccessful removal of Sam Altman as the CEO of OpenAI, oversight structures to audit and approve the AI companies deploy, and the role

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See you in September for Season 2!

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2024/07/18

After 16 episodes in Season 1, we're taking a summer break at The Road to Accountable AI. Look for more compelling content on AI governance, regulation, ethics, and responsibility when we return in September.

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34:16

Nuala O'Connor: Frontline Human-Machine Interface at...

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2024/07/11

Join Kevin and Nuala as they discuss Walmart's approach to AI governance, emphasizing the application of existing corporate principles to new technologies. She explains the Walmart Responsible AI Pledge, its collaborative creation process, and the importance of continuous monitoring to ensure AI tools align with corporate values. Nuala reveals her commitment to responsible AI with a focus on customer centricity at Walmart with the mantra “Inform, Educate, Entertain” and examples like the "Ask Sam"

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35:22

Suresh Venkatasubramanian: Blueprints and Redesign:...

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2024/07/04

Join Kevin and Suresh as they discuss the latest tools and frameworks that companies can use to effectively combat algorithmic bias, all while navigating the complexities of integrating AI into organizational strategies. Suresh describes his experiences at the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and the creation of the Blueprint for an AI Bill of Rights, including its five fundamental principles—safety and effectiveness, non-discrimination, data minimization, transparency, and

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32:40

Diya Wynn: People-Centric Technology

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2024/06/27

Kevin Werbach speaks with Diya Wynn, the responsible AI lead at Amazon Web Services (AWS). Diya shares how she pioneered a formal practice for ethical AI at AWS, and explains AWS’s “Well-Architected” framework to assist customers in responsibly deploying AI. Kevin and Diya also discuss the significance of diversity and human bias in AI systems, revealing the necessity of incorporating diverse perspectives to create more equitable AI outcomes. Diya Wynn leads a team at AWS that helps customers

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31:58

Paula Goldman: Putting Humans at the Helm

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2024/06/20

Kevin Werbach is joined by Paula Goldman, Chief Ethical and Humane Use Officer at Salesforce, to discuss the pioneering efforts of her team in building a culture of ethical technology use. Paula shares insights on aligning risk assessments and technical mitigations with business goals to bring stakeholders on board. She explains how AI governance functions in a large business with enterprise customers, who have distinctive needs and approaches. Finally, she highlights the shift from "human in the

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37:11

Navrina Singh: AI Alignment in Practice

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2024/06/13

Kevin Werbach speaks with Navrina Singh of Credo AI, which automates AI oversight and regulatory compliance. Singh addresses the increasing importance of trust and governance in the AI space. She discusses the need to standardize and scale oversight mechanisms by helping companies align and translate their systems to include all stakeholders and comply with emerging global standards. Kevin and Navrina also explore the importance of sociotechnical approaches to AI governance, the necessity of

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31:12

Scott Zoldi: Using the Best AI Tools for the Job

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2024/06/06

Kevin Werbach speaks with Scott Zoldi of FICO, which pioneered consumer credit scoring in the 1950s and now offers a suite of analytics and fraud detection tools. Zoldi explains the importance of transparency and interpretability in AI models, emphasizing a “simpler is better” approach to creating clear and understandable algorithms. He discusses FICO's approach to responsible AI, which includes establishing model governance standards, and enforcing these standards through the use of blockchain

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34:07

Olivia Gambelin: Ethical AI as Good Business Practice

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2024/05/30

Professor Kevin Werbach and AI ethicist Olivia Gambelin discuss the moral responsibilities surrounding Artificial Intelligence, and the practical steps companies should take to address tehm. Olivia explains how companies can begin their responsible AI journey, starting with taking inventory of their systems and using Olivia's Value Canvas to map the ethical terrain. Kevin and Olivia delve into the potential reasons companies avoid investing in ethical AI, the financial and compliance benefits of

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37:08

Beth Noveck: Effective and Accountable AI in the...

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2024/05/23

Join Professor Kevin Werbach and Beth Noveck, New Jersey's first Chief AI Strategist, as they explore AI's transformative power in public governance. Beth reveals how AI is revolutionizing government operations, from rewriting complex unemployment insurance letters in plain English to analyzing call data for faster responses. They discuss New Jersey's innovative use of generative AI to cut response times in half, empowering public servants to better serve their communities while balancing ethical

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35:13

Jean-Enno Charton: Operationalizing AI Ethics

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2024/05/16

Join Professor Kevin Werbach and Jean-Enno Charton, Director of Digital Ethics and Bioethics at Merck KGAA, as they explore the ethical challenges of AI in healthcare and life sciences. Charton delves into the evolution of Merck's AI ethics program, which stemmed from their bioethics advisory panel addressing complex ethical dilemmas in areas like fertility research and clinical trials. He details the formation of a dedicated digital ethics panel, incorporating industry experts and academics, and

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34:44

Dominique Shelton Leipzig: Building Trust When Every...

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2024/05/09

Join Professor Kevin Werbach and Dominique Shelton Leipzig, an expert in data privacy and technology law, as they share practical insights on AI's transformative potential and regulatory challenges in this episode on The Road to Accountable AI. They dissect the ripple effects of recent legislation, and why setting industry standards and codifying trust in AI are more than mere legal checkboxes—they're the bedrock of innovation and integrity in business. Transitioning from theory to practice, this

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31:15

Dragos Tudorache: Next Steps for the World's First...

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2024/05/02

Join Professor Werbach and Dragos Tudorache, co-rapporteur of the EU AI Act and one of the most essential AI policymakers in the world, to discuss the world's urgent need for AI regulation and collaboration. They discuss the nuances of the Act's attempt to balance mitigating risk and fostering innovation and dissect the legislation's approach to ensuring trust in AI through technology-neutral language and adaptable mechanisms. Next, they examine the Act's strategic focus on high-risk AI

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37:57

Richard Benjamins: A Multi-Year Journey Toward...

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2024/04/25

In this episode, Professor Kevin Werbach and Dr. Richard Benjamins, former Chief Responsible AI Officer at Telefónica, discuss Telefónica's journey towards responsible AI, corporate strategies to address these challenges, and Benjamins' views on generative AI and the European AI Act. They explore the role of the Responsible AI Champion in embedding ethical practices across business functions and discuss the dynamics of AI ethics committees, which vary from permission-based to problem-based

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30:54

Elham Tabassi: Framing and Taming AI Risks

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2024/04/18

Join Professor Kevin Werbach and Elham Tabassi, Associate Director for Emerging Technologies at NIST, as they explore the nuances of the NIST AI Risk Management Framework (RMF). Their discussion illuminates the science of measurement, the challenges of operationalizing legal and governance requirements for AI, and the pursuit of standards for trustworthy AI. During the conversation, they delve into the diverse challenges businesses face when adopting the AI RMF and how the Trustworthy AI Resource

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38:44

Reid Blackman: Aligning AI with Ethics in the Real World

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2024/04/18

Join Professor Werbach and Reid Blackman, the founder of Virtue and author of ‘Ethical Machines,’ to unravel the fabric of ethical responsibilities in AI development. They navigate the transition from 'AI ethics' to 'responsible AI,' debunking the myth that ethics is just a matter of opinion and showcasing how it can be both objective and actionable. The conversation addresses the ethical pitfalls of AI, such as biases and privacy concerns, emphasizing that these issues often arise from the

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