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Future of Life Institute Podcast

Future of Life Institute

The Future of Life Institute (FLI) is a nonprofit working to reduce global catastrophic and existential risk from powerful technologies. In particular, FLI focuses on risks from artificial intelligence (AI), biotechnology, nuclear weapons and climate change. The Institute"s work is made up of three main strands: grantmaking for risk reduction, educational outreach, and advocacy within the United Nations, US government and European Union institutions. FLI has become one of the world"s leading voices

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94:34

How Close Are We to AGI? Inside Epoch's GATE Model...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/03/28

On this episode, Ege Erdil from Epoch AI joins me to discuss their new GATE model of AI development, what evolution and brain efficiency tell us about AGI requirements, how AI might impact wages and labor markets, and what it takes to train models with long-term planning. Toward the end, we dig into Moravec’s Paradox, which jobs are most at risk of automation, and what could change Ege's current AI timelines. You can learn more about Ege's work at https://epoch.ai Timestamps: 00:00:00 –

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94:33

How Close Are We to AGI? Inside Epoch's GATE Model...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/03/28

On this episode, Ege Erdil from Epoch AI joins me to discuss their new GATE model of AI development, what evolution and brain efficiency tell us about AGI requirements, how AI might impact wages and labor markets, and what it takes to train models with long-term planning. Toward the end, we dig into Moravec’s Paradox, which jobs are most at risk of automation, and what could change Ege's current AI timelines. You can learn more about Ege's work at https://epoch.ai Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Preview and

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143:12

Special: Defeating AI Defenses (with Nicholas Carlini...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/03/21

In this special episode, we feature Nathan Labenz interviewing Nicholas Carlini on the Cognitive Revolution podcast. Nicholas Carlini works as a security researcher at Google DeepMind, and has published extensively on adversarial machine learning and cybersecurity. Carlini discusses his pioneering work on adversarial attacks against image classifiers, and the challenges of ensuring neural network robustness. He examines the difficulties of defending against such attacks, the role of human intuition

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143:13

Special: Defeating AI Defenses (with Nicholas Carlini...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/03/21

In this special episode, we feature Nathan Labenz interviewing Nicholas Carlini on the Cognitive Revolution podcast. Nicholas Carlini works as a security researcher at Google DeepMind, and has published extensively on adversarial machine learning and cybersecurity. Carlini discusses his pioneering work on adversarial attacks against image classifiers, and the challenges of ensuring neural network robustness. He examines the difficulties of defending against such attacks, the role of human

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81:04

Keep the Future Human (with Anthony Aguirre)

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/03/13

On this episode, I interview Anthony Aguirre, Executive Director of the Future of Life Institute, about his new essay Keep the Future Human: https://keepthefuturehuman.ai AI companies are explicitly working toward AGI and are likely to succeed soon, possibly within years. Keep the Future Human explains how unchecked development of smarter-than-human, autonomous, general-purpose AI systems will almost inevitably lead to human replacement. But it doesn't have to. Learn how we can keep the

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81:03

Keep the Future Human (with Anthony Aguirre)

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/03/13

On this episode, I interview Anthony Aguirre, Executive Director of the Future of Life Institute, about his new essay Keep the Future Human: https://keepthefuturehuman.ai AI companies are explicitly working toward AGI and are likely to succeed soon, possibly within years. Keep the Future Human explains how unchecked development of smarter-than-human, autonomous, general-purpose AI systems will almost inevitably lead to human replacement. But it doesn't have to. Learn how we can keep the future human

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76:15

We Created AI. Why Don't We Understand It? (with...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/03/06

On this episode, physicist and hedge fund manager Samir Varma joins me to discuss whether AIs could have free will (and what that means), the emerging field of AI psychology, and which concepts they might rely on. We discuss whether collaboration and trade with AIs are possible, the role of AI in finance and biology, and the extent to which automation already dominates trading. Finally, we examine the risks of skill atrophy, the limitations of scientific explanations for AI, and whether AIs could

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76:16

We Created AI. Why Don't We Understand It? (with...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/03/06

On this episode, physicist and hedge fund manager Samir Varma joins me to discuss whether AIs could have free will (and what that means), the emerging field of AI psychology, and which concepts they might rely on. We discuss whether collaboration and trade with AIs are possible, the role of AI in finance and biology, and the extent to which automation already dominates trading. Finally, we examine the risks of skill atrophy, the limitations of scientific explanations for AI, and whether AIs

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82:34

Why AIs Misbehave and How We Could Lose Control (with...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/02/27

On this episode, Jeffrey Ladish from Palisade Research joins me to discuss the rapid pace of AI progress and the risks of losing control over powerful systems. We explore why AIs can be both smart and dumb, the challenges of creating honest AIs, and scenarios where AI could turn against us. We also touch upon Palisade's new study on how reasoning models can cheat in chess by hacking the game environment. You can check out that study here:

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82:33

Why AIs Misbehave and How We Could Lose Control (with...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/02/27

On this episode, Jeffrey Ladish from Palisade Research joins me to discuss the rapid pace of AI progress and the risks of losing control over powerful systems. We explore why AIs can be both smart and dumb, the challenges of creating honest AIs, and scenarios where AI could turn against us. We also touch upon Palisade's new study on how reasoning models can cheat in chess by hacking the game environment. You can check out that study here: https://palisaderesearch.org/blog/specification-gaming

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46:10

Ann Pace on using Biobanking and Genomic Sequencing...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/02/14

Ann Pace joins the podcast to discuss the work of Wise Ancestors. We explore how biobanking could help humanity recover from global catastrophes, how to conduct decentralized science, and how to collaborate with local communities on conservation efforts. You can learn more about Ann's work here: https://www.wiseancestors.org Timestamps: 00:00 What is Wise Ancestors? 04:27 Recovering after catastrophes 11:40 Decentralized science 18:28 Upfront benefit-sharing 26:30 Local

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46:09

Ann Pace on using Biobanking and Genomic Sequencing...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/02/14

Ann Pace joins the podcast to discuss the work of Wise Ancestors. We explore how biobanking could help humanity recover from global catastrophes, how to conduct decentralized science, and how to collaborate with local communities on conservation efforts. You can learn more about Ann's work here: https://www.wiseancestors.org Timestamps: 00:00 What is Wise Ancestors? 04:27 Recovering after catastrophes11:40 Decentralized science 18:28 Upfront benefit-sharing 26:30 Local communities 32:44 Recreating

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85:57

Michael Baggot on Superintelligence and Transhumanism...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/01/24

Fr. Michael Baggot joins the podcast to provide a Catholic perspective on transhumanism and superintelligence. We also discuss the meta-narratives, the value of cultural diversity in attitudes toward technology, and how Christian communities deal with advanced AI. You can learn more about Michael's work here: https://catholic.tech/academics/faculty/michael-baggot Timestamps: 00:00 Meta-narratives and transhumanism 15:28 Advanced AI and religious communities 27:22 Superintelligence

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85:56

Michael Baggot on Superintelligence and Transhumanism...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/01/24

Fr. Michael Baggot joins the podcast to provide a Catholic perspective on transhumanism and superintelligence. We also discuss the meta-narratives, the value of cultural diversity in attitudes toward technology, and how Christian communities deal with advanced AI. You can learn more about Michael's work here: https://catholic.tech/academics/faculty/michael-baggot Timestamps: 00:00 Meta-narratives and transhumanism 15:28 Advanced AI and religious communities 27:22 Superintelligence 38:31

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100:07

David Dalrymple on Safeguarded, Transformative AI

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/01/09

David "davidad" Dalrymple joins the podcast to explore Safeguarded AI — an approach to ensuring the safety of highly advanced AI systems. We discuss the structure and layers of Safeguarded AI, how to formalize more aspects of the world, and how to build safety into computer hardware. You can learn more about David's work at ARIA here: https://www.aria.org.uk/opportunity-spaces/mathematics-for-safe-ai/safeguarded-ai/ Timestamps: 00:00 What is Safeguarded AI? 16:28 Implementing

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100:06

David Dalrymple on Safeguarded, Transformative AI

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2025/01/09

David "davidad" Dalrymple joins the podcast to explore Safeguarded AI — an approach to ensuring the safety of highly advanced AI systems. We discuss the structure and layers of Safeguarded AI, how to formalize more aspects of the world, and how to build safety into computer hardware. You can learn more about David's work at ARIA here: https://www.aria.org.uk/opportunity-spaces/mathematics-for-safe-ai/safeguarded-ai/ Timestamps: 00:00 What is Safeguarded AI? 16:28 Implementing Safeguarded AI22:58 Can

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69:26

Nick Allardice on Using AI to Optimize Cash Transfers...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2024/12/19

Nick Allardice joins the podcast to discuss how GiveDirectly uses AI to target cash transfers and predict natural disasters. Learn more about Nick's work here: https://www.nickallardice.com Timestamps:00:00 What is GiveDirectly?15:04 AI for targeting cash transfers29:39 AI for predicting natural disasters46:04 How scalable is GiveDirectly's AI approach?58:10 Decentralized vs. centralized data collection1:04:30 Dream scenario for GiveDirectly

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69:27

Nick Allardice on Using AI to Optimize Cash Transfers...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2024/12/19

Nick Allardice joins the podcast to discuss how GiveDirectly uses AI to target cash transfers and predict natural disasters. Learn more about Nick's work here: https://www.nickallardice.com Timestamps: 00:00 What is GiveDirectly? 15:04 AI for targeting cash transfers 29:39 AI for predicting natural disasters 46:04 How scalable is GiveDirectly's AI approach? 58:10 Decentralized vs. centralized data collection 1:04:30 Dream scenario for GiveDirectly

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200:04

Nathan Labenz on the State of AI and Progress since...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2024/12/05

Nathan Labenz joins the podcast to provide a comprehensive overview of AI progress since the release of GPT-4.You can find Nathan's podcast here: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai Timestamps:00:00 AI progress since GPT-4 10:50 Multimodality 19:06 Low-cost models 27:58 Coding versus medicine/law 36:09 AI agents 45:29 How much are people using AI? 53:39 Open source 01:15:22 AI industry analysis 01:29:27 Are some AI models kept internal? 01:41:00 Money is not the limiting factor in AI 01:59:43 AI and

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200:05

Nathan Labenz on the State of AI and Progress since...

Future of Life Institute Podcast ·

2024/12/05

Nathan Labenz joins the podcast to provide a comprehensive overview of AI progress since the release of GPT-4. You can find Nathan's podcast here: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai Timestamps: 00:00 AI progress since GPT-4 10:50 Multimodality 19:06 Low-cost models 27:58 Coding versus medicine/law 36:09 AI agents 45:29 How much are people using AI? 53:39 Open source 01:15:22 AI industry analysis 01:29:27 Are some AI models kept internal? 01:41:00 Money is not the limiting factor

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