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The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Institute

The Lawfare Podcast features discussions with experts, policymakers, and opinion leaders at the nexus of national security, law, and policy. On issues from foreign policy, homeland security, intelligence, and cybersecurity to governance and law, we have doubled down on seriousness at a time when others are running away from it. Visit us at www.lawfareblog.com.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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32:38

The Now: Anna Bower's Signal Exchange with Lindsey...

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2025/10/21

In aLawfare Live, The Now on October 20,LawfareEditor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down withLawfareSenior Editor Anna Bower to discussher article about how interim U.S. Attorney Lindsey Halligan reached out to her on Signal—and the conversation that followed.To receive ad-free podcasts, become aLawfareMaterial Supporter atwww.patreon.com/lawfare. You can also supportLawfareby making a one-time donation athttps://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare

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1:00:34

Lawfare Daily: Tomahawks, Trump, and Armed Neutrality...

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2025/10/21

In this episode, Lawfare’s Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina sits down with Eric Ciaramella, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and Mykhailo Soldatenko, a scholar of international law and a doctoral candidate at Harvard Law School, to discuss the latest meeting between Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky, armed neutrality for Ukraine, and how Ukraine can nudge the ongoing peace negotiations in its favor.To receive ad-free podcasts, become aLawfareMaterial Supporter

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1:33:15

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump...

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2025/10/20

In alive conversation onYouTube,LawfareEditor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down withLawfarePublic Service Fellows Loren Voss and Michael Feinberg andSenior Editors Roger Parloff and Eric Columbus to discuss the legal challenges to the National Guard deployment in Chicago, the indictment of John Bolton, a judge preventing the firing of federal employees during the government shutdown, and so much more.You can find information onlegal challenges to Trump administration actions here. And check

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42:22

Lawfare Archive: The Potential for an Afghan...

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2025/10/19

Yesterday marked the two-year anniversary of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. Around 80,000 Afghans were relocated during the withdrawal, and many do not have a pathway to permanent citizenship here in the United States. To get a sense of those immigration challenges and the potential for congressional action on those issues, Bryce Klehm sat down with Shala Gafary, the Managing Attorney of Project: Afghan Legal Assistance at Human Rights First, and Jennifer Quigley, the Senior Director of

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38:36

Lawfare Archive: How Internet Infrastructure Affects...

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2025/10/18

LawfareFellow in Technology Policy and Law Eugenia Lostri sits down with Esteban Carisimo, a Postdoctoral Researcher at Northwestern University to talk about the digital repression in Venezuela after the recent elections. Carisimo co-authored a recentreporton the effects of the Venezuelan crisis on internet infrastructure. They discuss how internet censorship impacts the protests, how Venezuela's infrastructure compares to other countries in the region, and what the path to recovery looks like.To

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52:18

Scaling Laws: AI and Energy: What Do We Know? What...

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2025/10/17

Mosharaf Chowdhury, Associate Professor at the University of Michigan and Director of the ML Energy lab, and Dan Zhou, former Senior Research Scientist at the MIT Lincoln Lab, MIT Supercomputing Center, and MIT CSAIL, join Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to discuss the energy costs of AI.They break down exactly how much energy fuels a single ChatGPT query, why this is difficult to figure out, how we might improve

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53:25

Lawfare Daily: Prosecuting Terrorism and the Pursuit...

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2025/10/16

LawfarePublic Service Fellow Michael Feinberg sits down with Jake Tapper, the lead Washington anchor for CNN, to discuss his new book, “Race Against Terror: Chasing an Al Qaeda Killer at the Dawn of the Forever War.” The book chronicles the investigation, prosecution, and ultimate conviction of Spin Ghul, an Al Qaeda operative who became the first major international terrorist tried in a U.S. civilian court.Feinberg and Tapper explore what the case reveals about the American justice system in the

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1:13:12

Rational Security: The “Don’t Upset the Masks” Edition

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2025/10/15

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Benjamin Wittes, Kate Klonick, and newly-minted Senior Editor Molly Roberts to talk through the week’s big national security news stories, including:“Peace by Piece.” The first phase of the Trump administration’s peace plan for Gaza went into effect on Monday, resulting in the return of the last living hostages held by Hamas to Israel, among other exchanges. President Trump celebrated the moment with a triumphal speech in front of the Israeli

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59:47

Lawfare Daily: Serhii Plokhii on the History of the...

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2025/10/15

LawfareContributor Mykhailo Soldatenko sits down with Serhii Plokhii, Harvard History Professor and a leading authority on the history of the Cold War and Ukraine, to discuss his new book, "The Nuclear Age: An Epic Race for Arms, Power and Survival," that tells a history of nuclear proliferation and international efforts to tame it. They discuss the role of fear and prestige in a country's decision to acquire nukes, nuclear strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, preventive wars against nuclear

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44:26

Lawfare Daily: How Technologists Can Help Regulators...

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2025/10/14

Erie Meyer, Senior Fellow at Georgetown Law’s Institute for Technology Law & Policy and Senior Fellow at the Vanderbilt Policy Accelerator, and Laura Edelson, Assistant Professor of Computer Science at Northeastern University, who are coauthors of the recent toolkit, “Working with Technologists: Recommendations for State Enforcers and Regulators,” joinLawfare’s Justin Sherman to discuss how state enforcers and regulators can hire and better work with technologists, what technologists are and are

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1:42:29

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump...

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2025/10/13

In alive conversation onYouTube,LawfareEditor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down withLawfarePublic Service Fellow Loren Voss andSenior Editors Anna Bower, Roger Parloff, Eric Columbus, and Molly Roberts to discuss the legal challenges to the National Guard deployment in Portland and Chicago, a hearing over the attempted deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the arraignment of James Comey, and so much more.You can find information onlegal challenges to Trump administration actions here. And check

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42:27

Lawfare Archive: Justin Sherman on the FTC Settlement...

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2025/10/12

From January 19, 2024: Last week, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) reached a settlement with location data broker X-Mode Social. X-Mode collects over 10 billion location data points from all over the world every day, and sells it to clients in a range of industries, like advertisers, consulting firms, and private government contractors. The FTC argued that the data broker was conducting unfair business practices, including selling people’s sensitive location data.To discuss the FTC settlement and

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58:46

Lawfare Archive: Noah Efron on the Awful Quiet of...

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2025/10/11

From October 10, 2023: This morning,LawfareEditor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes connected with his old friend Noah Efron about the weekend's events in Israel. Noah is a professor at Bar-Ilan University, a prolific essayist and writer, and the host of The Promised Podcast, a podcast on Israeli life, politics, and culture.In an interview punctuated twice by missile attacks, they discussed what happened over the weekend, the magnitude and horror of the Hamas attack, the impact on Israeli society, and the

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47:29

Scaling Laws: AI Safety Meet Trust & Safety with Ravi...

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2025/10/10

David Sullivan, Executive Director of the Digital Trust & Safety Partnership, and Rayi Iyer, Managing Director of the Psychology of Technology Institute at USC’s Neely Center, join Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor atLawfare, to discuss the evolution of the Trust & Safety field and its relevance to ongoing conversations about how best to govern AI.They discuss the importance of thinking about the end user in regulation,

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37:58

Lawfare Daily: The State of the Spyware Industry with...

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2025/10/09

Jen Roberts,Associate Director of the Atlantic Council’s Cyber Statecraft Initiative, and Sarah Graham, Research Consultant with the Atlantic Council’s Cyber Statecraft Initiative, who are coauthors along with Nitansha Bansal of the recent paper, “Mythical Beasts: Diving Into the Depths of the Global Spyware Market,” joinLawfare’s Justin Sherman to discuss the global spyware industry, how it has evolved in recent years, and what its future holds. They also discuss the geographic concentration of key

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1:24:23

Rational Security: The “F*cked by Five” Edition

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2025/10/08

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Managing Editor Tyler McBrien, Foreign Policy Editor Daniel Byman, and Public Service Fellow Loren Voss to talk through (somehow only three of) the week’s big national security news stories, including:“The Dream of the ‘90s is Alive in Portland.” This past week, the Trump administration made good on its threats to pursue further domestic military deployments, this time to Portland and Chicago. Thus far, the administration has stuck to the same

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52:11

Lawfare Daily: How Are the Courts Doing?

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2025/10/08

On today's podcast, Executive Editor Natalie Orpett is joined by Judge Philip Pro and Judge Jeremy Fogel. Both are retired federal court judges who are members of a new organization, theArticle III Coalition, which advocates for an independent judiciary. They talk about how the courts are faring amidst the enormous stresses of the day: a huge number of legal challenges to Trump administration actions, a judiciary under constant attack from critics—including several instances of real violence—and

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1:04:02

Lawfare Daily: ‘38 Londres Street,’ Impunity, and...

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2025/10/07

On today’s episode,LawfareManaging Editor Tyler McBrien sits down with Philippe Sands, a professor of law at the University of London and the Samuel Pisar Visiting Professor at Harvard Law School to discuss his new book,“38 Londres Street: On Impunity, Pinochet in England, and a Nazi in Patagonia.”They discuss the intertwined stories of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet and Nazi SS commander Walther Rauff, his uncanny personal connections to those stories, how Pinochet’s arrest and the subsequent

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1:39:53

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump...

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2025/10/06

In alive conversation onYouTube,LawfareEditor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down withLawfareSenior Editors Scott Anderson, Anna Bower, Eric Columbus, and Roger Parloff to discuss a hearing in the litigation over the National Guard deployment in Portland, states suing the federal government over immigration enforcement conditions being placed on emergency management federal grants, federal employees unions challenging expected reductions in force during the government shutdown, the Supreme Court

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30:37

Lawfare Archive: Cox and Wyden on Section 230 and...

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2025/10/05

From May 2, 2023: Generative AI products have been tearing up the headlines recently. Among the many issues these products raise is whether or not their outputs are protected by Section 230, the foundational statute that shields websites from liability for third-party content.On this episode ofArbiters of Truth,Lawfare’s occasional series on the information ecosystem,LawfareSenior Editor Quinta Jurecic and Matt Perault, Director of the Center on Technology and Policy at UNC-Chapel Hill, talked

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