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The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Institute

The Lawfare Podcast features discussions with experts, policymakers, and opinion leaders at the nexus of national security, law, and policy. On issues from foreign policy, homeland security, intelligence, and cybersecurity to governance and law, we have doubled down on seriousness at a time when others are running away from it. Visit us at www.lawfaremedia.org.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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52:50

Lawfare Daily: Russian PMCs Update with Candace Rondeaux

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2026/05/12

Candace Rondeaux, the founder and principal of Frontline Atlas, an independent geopolitical risk intelligence hub; a professor with the Future Security Initiative at Arizona State University; and a senior fellow in global security at New America joins Lawfare’s Justin Sherman to discuss the latest geopolitics, operations, and state of Russian private military companies (PMCs). They discuss the current state of Russia’s Wagner Group and other Russian PMCs, their roles in recruitment of people to

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58:38

Lawfare Daily: What the War Powers Resolution Means...

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2026/05/11

In February, the Trump administration launched Operation Epic Fury in Iran—without congressional approval. The War Powers Resolution is supposed to constrain the president's ability to wage war. But is it?On today's podcast, Lawfare Executive Editor Natalie Orpett talks with Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson about what that law says, whether it's affecting the administration's conduct, and how—or if—it can be enforced. You can read more of Scott's analysis in Lawfare

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37:36

Lawfare Archive: Pam Samuelson on Copyright's Threat...

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2026/05/10

From July 17, 2023: The only thing more impressive than the performance of generative AI systems like GPT-4 and Stable Diffusion is the sheer volume of training data that went into these systems. GPT was reportedly trained on, essentially, the entire Internet, while Stable Diffusion and other image-generation models rely on hundred of millions if not billions of existing pieces of artwork. Of course, much of this content is copyrighted, and the authors and artists whose work is being used to train

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55:43

Lawfare Archive: Orin Kerr on the Digital Fourth...

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2026/05/09

From January 9, 2025: Jack Goldsmith sits down with Orin Kerr, a Professor at Stanford Law School, to discuss hisnew book, “The Digital Fourth Amendment: Privacy and Policing in Our Online World.” They talk about how Kerr became interested in these issues, the history and physicality assumptions of the Fourth Amendment, and how and why the digital world is different. They also discuss how the courts are interpreting the Fourth Amendment in a digital age, as well as Kerr’s Equilibrium-Adjustment

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45:18

Lawfare Daily: The Supreme Court’s Long Shadow with...

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2026/05/08

On May 7, Lawfare Senior Editor Kate Klonick sat down for a live discussion on Substack with Steve Vladeck, a professor of law at the Georgetown University Law Center, to discuss the impact of the New York Times’ “shadow papers” story, the continued omnipresence of the shadow docket, and the courts v. Court in this administration.To receive ad-free podcasts, become aLawfareMaterial Supporter atwww.patreon.com/lawfare. You can also supportLawfareby making a one-time donation

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1:21:58

Rational Security: The “I’ve Never Done THAT Before!”...

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2026/05/07

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Molly Roberts, Roger Parloff, and Tyler McBrien to talk through the week’s big national security news stories, including:“Jim Spells Seashells By the Seashore.” Former FBI Director James Comey was indicted again this past week, this time for allegedly threatening the life of the president by spelling “8647” in shells at the beach and posting an image on social media. It is a ludicrous argument. So what does it tell us that Acting Attorney General

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46:13

Lawfare Daily: An Insider’s Account of the Trump...

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2026/05/07

On today’s podcast, Lawfare Associate Editor for Communications Anna Hickey talks to Nicholas Enrich, former acting assistant administrator of Global Health at USAID, about his book, “Into the Wood Chipper: A Whistleblower's Account of How the Trump Administration Shredded USAID.” Enrich details the agency's dismantling during the early months of the Trump administration and whether those doing the dismantling understood the consequences of their actions. He also discusses the impact on global

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36:25

Lawfare Daily: Patrick Radden Keefe on ‘London Falling’

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2026/05/06

Patrick Radden Keefe, a staff writer at theNew Yorkerand the author of “Say Nothing” and “Empire of Pain,” sits down withLawfareAssociate Editor Peter Beck to discuss his most recent book, “London Falling.” The two talk about Radden Keefe’s investigation of a London teenager’s fatal plunge into the Thames, the United Kingdom’s acquiescence to foreign influence, and his process in writing about the book.To receive ad-free podcasts, become aLawfareMaterial Supporter atwww.patreon.com/lawfare. You can

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Lawfare Daily: Chatting on Chatrie with Adam...

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2026/05/05

LawfareSenior Editor Kate Klonick speaks with former Deputy Solicitor GeneralMichael Dreeben; lecturer in law at Stanford,Richard Salgado; and attorneyAdam Unikowsky, to discuss the geofencing Fourth Amendment case that washeard Monday, April 27in the Supreme Court,Chatrie v. United States.They discuss the background of the case with their unique perspectives, starting with Unikowsky's framing of the case for his client, Chatrie, and his thoughts on the arguments he made in his defense when he

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1:38:39

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump...

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2026/05/04

In a live conversation on YouTube, Lawfare Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare Senior Editors Anna Bower, Molly Roberts, and Roger Parloff and Lawfare Contributing Editor Nicholas Bednar to discuss the second indictment of former FBI Director James Comey, a judge finding that he has jurisdiction over Maureen Comey’s litigation challenging the Justice Department’s firing of her last her, oral argument at the Supreme Court over the cancellation of TPS, and more.You can find

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52:25

Lawfare Archive: Carrie Cordero and Paul Rosenzweig...

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2026/05/03

From June 9, 2017: As the dust settles following former FBI Director James Comey’stestimonybefore the Senate Intelligence Committee, theLawfare Podcastbrings you expert views on what exactly happened yesterday and what it means for the Trump administration going forward. Benjamin Wittes sat down with Carrie Cordero, a former attorney at the National Security Division of the Justice Department, and Paul Rosenzweig, who worked for Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, for a conversation on the Comey

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48:11

Lawfare Archive: Bananas and Corporate Accountability...

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2026/05/02

From June 26, 2024: On June 10, the jury reached a verdict in the federal trial against Chiquita Banana. It found that the company had financed a paramilitary group in Colombia in the late 1990s and early 2000s, resulting in the deaths of eight men, and it awarded the victims' families $38 million in damages. It's the culmination of a 17-year-long multi-district litigation that had faced significant procedural, evidentiary, and legal challenges. And it may represent a new frontier in the fight to

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51:47

Scaling Laws: Identifying the Myths and Facts of AI's...

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2026/05/01

In this episode of Scaling Laws, we explore how the "black box" of global greenhouse gas emissions is being cracked open by artificial intelligence and satellite imagery. Kevin Frazier is joined by Gavin McCormick, who leads Watt Time and ClimateTrace, a global coalition that has revolutionized the process of identifying and quantifying emissions. For decades, climate policy has relied on self-reported data from nations and corporations—a system prone to gaps and "greenwashing." McCormick’s work

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1:24:10

Rational Security: The “Tavern Style” Edition

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2026/04/30

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Executive Editor Natalie Orpett and Contributing Editors Ariane Tabatabai and Joel Braunold, to talk through the week’s big national security news stories, including:“The Art of the Heel.” As it approaches the 60-day mark, the war of Iran appears to have entered the “war of attrition” stage. The Strait of Hormuz remains closed by both Iran and the United States, as each side waits to see if the other will capitulate first. President Trump

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43:01

Lawfare Daily: The Dangers of Privatized, Automated...

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2026/04/30

LawfareManaging Editor Tyler McBrien sits down withChinmayi Sharma, an associate professor at Fordham Law School and a contributing editor atLawfare, to discuss Sharma’sforthcoming law review article, “Immigration Enforcement Intermediaries.”They discuss the U.S. federal government’s increasingly privatized and automated system of immigration enforcement—which Sharma describes as “a code-based Leviathan—cloaked in the veneer of legal legitimacy yet operating outside traditional democratic

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49:47

Lawfare Daily: The Explosive Mystery That Rocked...

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2026/04/29

In 1979, a man using a pseudonym built a strange monument in Elberton, Georgia. Called “America’s Stonehenge" by some, the massive granite monolith known as the Georgia Guidestones attracted conspiracy theories and controversy until July 2022, when someone blew them up. Those two mysteries—who built the Guidestones and who destroyed them—are at the heart ofa new narrative podcast series from Goat Rodeo and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution called “Who Blew Up the Guidestones?”LawfareEditor in Chief

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Lawfare Daily: The Shadowy World of Ransomware with...

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2026/04/28

Lawfare Book Review Editor Jonathan Cedarbaum sits down with Anja Shortland, professorof political economy at King's College London, to discuss her new book, "Dark Screens: Hackers and Heroes in the Shadowy World of Ransomware."The book offers a history of the development of ransomware into perhaps the most important form of cyber crime, costing the global economy $75 billion a year.In the book, Shortland depicts the evolving strategies of ransomware organizations and the efforts by governments and

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1:25:21

Lawfare Daily: The Trials of the Trump...

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2026/04/27

In a live conversation on YouTube, Lawfare Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare Senior Editors Anna Bower, Eric Columbus, and Roger Parloff and Lawfare Public Service Fellow Troy Edwards to discuss the indictment of the SPLC, the DOJ dropping its investigation into Fed Chair Jerome Powell, the government’s renewed attempt to deport Kilmar Abrego Garcia, and more.You can find information on legal challenges to Trump administration actions here. And check out Lawfare’s new homepage on

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Lawfare Archive: Elle Reeve on "Black Pill" and...

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2026/04/26

From December 17, 2024: CNN correspondent Elle Reeve has spent the last decade reporting on extremism in the United States.Her book, "Black Pill: How I Witnessed the Darkest Corners of the Internet Come to Life, Poison Society and Capture American Politics" provides an insider's glimpse into the "insidious"—and underestimated—world of alt-right internet culture that is now at the center of the Republican Party under Donald Trump.LawfareAssociate Editor Katherine Pompilio sat down with Reeve to

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51:19

Lawfare Archive: When Lawyers Spread Disinformation

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2026/04/25

From August 5, 2022: A few weeks ago on Arbiters of Truth, our series on the online information system, we brought you a conversation with two emergency room doctors about their efforts to push back against members of their profession spreading falsehoods about the coronavirus. Today, we’re going to take a look at another profession that’s been struggling to counter lies and falsehoods within its ranks: the law. Recently, lawyers involved in efforts to overturn the 2020 election have faced

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