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The Other 22 Hours

Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss

"Artistry flourishes in shared conversation." Everyone struggles with self-doubt and motivation in their careers. The Other 22 Hours Podcast features conversations with renowned musicians and artists, sharing tools for resilience, helping you feel more inspired, connected, and confident in your creative journey. Hosted by music producer Aaron Shafer-Haiss, and singer-songwriter Michaela Anne, these are artist-lead conversations - not your typical outsider journalist interviews.

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00:52:41

Courtney Hartman on regrounding, perpetual choice,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2025/04/02

Courtney Hartman is a singer-songwriter and guitarist, formerly of the Grammy nominated bluegrass band Della Mae who now performs and releases solo records featuring collaborations with Bill Frisell, Anais Mitchell, Sam Amidon and an entire record of duets with a past guest of ours, Robert Ellis. We talk with Courtney about her very intentional regrounding and reaffirmation of her commitment to make music her career, learning to love the little things in life and creativity, showing up in love no

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00:54:08

Fancy Hagood on creating your own lane, the gift of...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2025/03/26

Fancy Hagood started his career as a writer in Nashville before because 'discovered' by Scooter Braun, signing to Republic Records, releasing 2 singles - one of which cracked the Billboard top 30 - and then he was dropped by his label, agent, and manager, almost all on the same call. He has been featured on The Today Show, Fallon, and performed with Meghan Trainor, Kacey Musgraves, Ariana Grande, Elle King, and Kaitlin Butts, and since has released 2 critically acclaimed independent records, hosted

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00:55:37

Maggie Smith on creative purity, trusting yourself,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2025/03/19

Maggie Smith is NY Times bestselling (her memoir “You Could Make This Place Beautiful”), numerous award-winning poet and author who has been considered one of the first viral poets after her 2016 poem "Good Bones" was read in the hit CBS show 'Madam President', as well as by Meryl Streep at the Academy of American Poets gala. As our first non-musical guest, we seize the opportunity to go deep with Maggie on the creative process in general - a very apt topic with her latest book "Dear Writer: Pep

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00:54:52

JD McPherson on the long game, a body of work, and...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2025/03/12

JD McPherson is a singer-songwriter and guitar player who's put out records on Decca, Rounder and New West, toured or collaborated with Dan Auerbach, Nick Lowe, and Lucius, is the guitar player for Robert Plant & Allison Krauss, as well as opening the shows with his own band, and is the producer of the recently-announced Jessica Simpson (comeback?) record.. We talk to JD about all modes of touring - from bus to plane to our shared affinity for van and trailer, touring to experience different

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00:45:00

The War and Treaty on living history, intentionality,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2025/03/05

The War and Treaty are a Grammy nominated duo who have released 6 records and EPs, starting out with independent releases before moving on to Rounder and now Mercury/Universal Nashville. They are the first black duo to be nominated for duo of the year at both the CMA's and the ACM's, where they've also performed, as well as performing and/or collaborating with the likes of Zach Bryan, Dierks Bentley, Brothers Osborne, Jason Isbell, John Legend, and Chris Stapleton.We talk with them about the

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00:46:37

On Family Business: Robert Ellis, Leyla McCalla + Joe...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2025/02/19

This is the 4th and final episode of our thematic mini-series, and this week we are looking at the ways some of our Patreon's favorite guests have found to balance their family lives and their creative lives - from reevaluating what a meaningful approach looks like as your family grows, or juggling family life while both parents are creatives (ala Robert Ellis), to touring with kids and understanding your place as a creative in the broader fabric of society (ala Leyla McCalla), or budgeting and

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00:43:44

On Self Doubt: Madame Gandhi, Langhorne Slim + Ryan...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2025/02/05

This is episode 3 of our mini-series of conversations compiled around a different theme each episode. This week we look at all things self doubt: from imposter syndrome, to score keeping, doubt hiding behind a need for outside validation, or just classic doubt in your abilities, we touch on all of it with Madame Gandhi, Langhorne Slim, and Guster's Ryan Miller.You can find a link to our full conversations with each of them below, and playlists of other past conversations grouped by topic on our

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00:45:55

On The Business of DIY: Jesse Boykins III, Laura...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2025/01/22

This is episode 2 of our mini-series of conversations compiled around a different theme each episode. This week we dive into the business of DIY, and stories of different artists that have built successful, sustainable careers outside of the major label, stereotypical "right" career path. We hear from Jesse Boykins III talk about leaving and standing up to Def Jam Records and Universal Publishing, Laura Veirs on owning her publishing throughout and starting her own label, the blue collar DIY

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00:50:38

Rodney Crowell, Madi Diaz, Aaron Lee Tasjan: On Failure.

The Other 22 Hours ·

2025/01/08

This is episode 1 of a mini-series centered around a different theme each episode. This week we explore failure in it's many forms: enduring it, embracing it, overcoming it, learning from it - all from three different Grammy-nominated artist: Rodney Crowell, Madi Diaz, and Aaron Lee Tasjan - in that order. You can find a link to our full conversations with each of them below, and playlists of other past conversations grouped by topic on our YouTube channel, also below.Get more access and support

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00:44:29

Chuck Prophet on controlled chaos, learning by doing,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2024/12/26

Chuck Prophet has put out 17+ solo records, 10 records with his former rock band Green on Red, and has worked with Bruce Springsteen, Kim Richey, Kelly Willis, Alejandro Escovedo, and Tony Visconti, appeared on many late night shows, toured with Lucinda Williams, and more. We chat with Chuck about transitioning from being in a band to having a solo career, San Fransisco as inspiration, how major successes come out of the blue, learning by doing, songwriting as a self taught art form, the need for

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01:05:28

James Vincent McMorrow on shelf life, space to fail,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2024/12/18

James Vincent McMorrow is a platinum-selling, billions-streaming singer-songwriter who has released records independently and via labels such as Nettwork and Columbia, work with Paul Epworth, Kenny Beats, Lil Silva, had his vocals featured on songs by Drake, and Kygo, in Game of Thrones, and numerous festivals. He also took 7 years off from touring to be with his growing family and recalibrate his relationship with the industry, which we talk about here at length, as well as an industry without

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00:48:51

Liz Longley on buying your art back, touring as self...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2024/12/11

Liz Longley has released 10+ records both independently and with labels such as Rounder Records, raised $150,000 on Kickstarter (the 4th most largest campaign by an independent artist at the time) to buy her finished album back from her former label, and has been critically acclaimed by Billboard, Newsweek, and Pop Matters. We talk to Liz about creators having the power in the music industry, touring as self care, time management with toddlers, balance, the wilderness, and more.Get more access and

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00:47:48

Tommy Emmanuel on endless experimenting, genre...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2024/12/04

Tommy Emmanuel is a legendary acoustic guitar player from Australia, where he has received some of the nation's highest honors, won Grammy, ARIA, and IBMA awards (amongst others), released 27+ records on labels such as Sony and Columbia, and began touring at the age of 6. We talk to Tommy about his endless enthusiasm and drive to experiment that has kept him inspired and learning through his almost 65 year career, how he bucks genre traditions (and because of that, label constraints), being

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00:54:17

Caroline Spence on owning your art, accepting...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2024/11/27

Caroline Spence has released 5 records independently and via Rounder Records, has written and/or recorded with Emmylou Harris, Lori McKenna, Matt Berninger (The National), and Sarah Jarosz, and toured with Mary Chapin Carpenter, John Moreland, Tyler Childers, and American Aquarium. We talk to Caroline about being in relationship with your creativity, awareness of, and moving beyond defining yourself externally or through your creative output, losing respect for the music industry, accepting that

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00:53:45

Becca Stevens on the intersection of passion and...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2024/11/20

Becca Stevens is a Grammy-nominated singer songwriter who has released 6+ records of her own music, as well as collaborating with the likes of David Crosby, Jacob Collier, Laura Mvula, Brad Mehldau, Michael McDonald, Snarky Puppy, as well has having a roll in the Broadway show "Illinoise" based on the music of Sufjan Stevens. We talk with Becca about the nitty gritty of touring with an infant, balancing your passion and creativity with parenthood, balancing that passion with a partner who is also an

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00:46:56

Brandy Clark on beating self doubt, finding...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2024/11/13

Brandy Clark is a Grammy winning artist and songwriter, who has had her songs recorded by Sheryl Crow, Miranda Lambert, Kacey Musgraves, Billy Currington, Darius Rucker and more, and co-wrote the music for Tony-winning Broadway show Shucked with Shane McNally. We talk to Brandy about battling self doubt even when it reemerges after you've started seeing success, finding the right community that will validate you and inspire you, her experience with persistence as it took over a decade to have any

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00:52:42

Kevn Kinney (Drivin N Cryin) on self healing rock and...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2024/11/06

Kevn Kinney is best known as the songwriter and singer of the Georgia rock band Drivin N Cryin, who has released 20+ records over the last almost 40 years, some independent and some on major labels, and toured with the likes of Neil Young and The Black Crowes, but Kevn also has numerous solo and side projects, with members of REM, Drive By Truckers, Warren Haynes, John Popper and more. We talk to Kevn about what he calls 'self healing rock and roll', showing up just as you are, unlearning what

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00:58:31

Nicki Bluhm + Jesse Noah Wilson on band therapists,...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2024/10/30

Nicki Bluhm is a singer-songwriter who has released multiple solo records and records with her former band The Gramblers, and has toured/performed/recorded with the likes of Phil Lesh, Aj Croce, Oliver Wood and Todd Snider. Jesse Noah Wilson is a bassist and producer, who currently plays in John Fogerty's band, is a former member of Band of Heathens, and has a studio in Nashville called Rancho Deluxe. We talk with both of them about the insights they've absorbed through working with legendary

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00:47:56

John Moreland on staying hands on, timelines, and...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2024/10/23

John Moreland is a celebrated singer songwriter who has steadily released 10+ records, mostly independently (through Thirty Tigers) and one with 4AD, receiving accolades from the New York Times, Fresh Air, and Pitchfork, and has tour with the likes of Dawes, Patty Griffin, and Jason Isbell. We talk with John about cutting back on his 'team' so he could return to being more hands-on, how having lots of middle men involved separated him from both his audience and his creativity, going back to a flip

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00:40:59

The Lone Bellow on gut checks, ownership, and healthy...

The Other 22 Hours ·

2024/10/16

The Lone Bellow have released a 5 records on various imprints of Sony Records and Dualtone Records, hitting the Billboard 200 and getting nominated for Americana Awards, worked with producers such as Dave Cobb, and Aaron Dessner of The National, supported Kacey Musgraves and appeared on Letterman, Kimmel, Conan amongst others. We talk to them about healthy conflict in the group, and intentional communication to keep things progressing, betting on themselves and moving away from both outside

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