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The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong

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45:28

Recruiting Disaster or Draft Slide?

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2025/05/30

Welcome to The Chad & Cheese birthday week! After 8+ years and damn near 1,500 episodes, we’ve earned some time poolside… or in my case, beer-in-hand, toes-in-sand.BUT—before we disappear into the SPF and piña coladas, we’ve got a little birthday gift for you. It’s a brand spankin’ new episode of Talent Chasing—the podcast where Moneyball meets Office Space... yeah, let that marinate. What does it mean? Hell if I know, but you’ll figure it out. This week, Brian, Jasper, and Chad dive into the NFL

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5:02

Shredded: iCIMS, Employ Inc., Kota, Workday, Spott,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/29

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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35:36

Inside DEI Backlash with Dr. Poornima Luthra

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/27

In this episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast, the boys interview Dr. Poornima Luthra, a TEDx speaker, associate professor at Copenhagen Business School, and author specializing in diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). Dr. Luthra discusses her upcoming book, Can I Say That?, which explores the backlash against DEI initiatives, rooted in her 18 years of academic research in talent management and HR.Key Points: Background and Motivation: Dr. Luthra’s interest in DEI stems from her PhD research

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58:05

Walmart's Eating AwardCo's Unicorns?

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/23

Get ready for a rollercoaster of HR drama and economic shade on this week's show as we unpack a can o' worms, starting with the wild corporate espionage feud between Rippling and Deel, with Rippling alleging Deel’s spying triggered a federal probe and Globalization Partners reporting similar shenanigans—Chad says Deel’s C-suite might need a total reboot. Klarna’s AI avatar-led earnings report screams IPO hype, but its predatory micro-loan model gets roasted, with J.T. warning job seekers to

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5:46

Shredded: Miter, Freelance.com, Emerge Tech, Flo...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/22

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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42:44

Where Did Equity Go? with Dr. Joel A. Davis

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/20

In this spicy episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel and Chad sit down with Dr. Joel A. Davis Brown—lawyer, DEI guru, and human BS detector—to ask the big question: Is DEI really dying, or is corporate America just too chicken to say “diversity” out loud?Inside the episode: DEI isn’t dead, it’s just in hiding—like your CEO when reporters come calling. JP Morgan swaps “DEI” for “DOI” like it’s a secret menu item. Smooth move, Jamie. Dr. Brown breaks down why equity

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54:34

People Push Back Against AI-First Workplaces

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/16

Buckle up for a wild ride with Joel Cheesman and Emi Beredugo, where they sling HR hot takes with the finesse of a fast-food fry cook! This episode’s a rollercoaster of laughs and eye-rolls, diving into the AI-first workplace fiasco like it’s a soap opera. Klarna’s CEO got a reality check after ditching 700 customer service reps for AI, only to realize bots can’t sweet-talk angry customers. Now they’re on a hiring spree to bring back the human touch—oops! Duolingo, meanwhile, thought AI could

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6:41

Shredded: DHI Group, Linkedin, Rippling, Recruit...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/15

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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29:31

Money Can't Buy Me Love

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/13

If you think your employees are “fully engaged,” that thud you just heard was Dr. Beth Linderbaum falling out of her chair laughing.This week on The Chad & Cheese Podcast, we unpack the myth that money = motivation. Spoiler: it doesn’t. Turns out people want to grow, belong, and not dread Mondays. Who knew? Dr. Linderbaum schools us on why leaders are often the last to know when morale is circling the drain, how Gen Z wants feedback like it’s an IV drip, and why career development beats a 3%

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27:21

Vegas Chaos Unleashed

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/09

Live from the Gem booth in Vegas at Unleash, the boys throw together one mess-of-a-show, featuring everything from Warren Buffett to StackOne raising big cash to confusing Appcast with Recruitics to bashing ZipRecuiter. Hell, Indeed makes it in, and they weren't even in the show notes. It's a sleep deprived mess, but a good time nonetheless. We promise to make up for it next week.

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5:41

Shredded: Humly, Future Education, Appcast, Skillvue,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/08

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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26:42

The Human Hiring Touch with Terry Baker

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/06

In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Terry Baker, CEO at Daxtra, dishes on how AI is shaking up recruitment like a caffeinated barista on a Monday morning. With 23 years of AI street cred, he insists AI’s only as good as the data it’s fed—garbage in, garbage out, folks—while preaching the gospel of keeping hiring human, because no one wants a robot therapist when the job hunt gets rough. The convo takes a wild turn through resume validation (think CSI: LinkedIn Edition), with Baker warning

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52:57

Rippling v Deel: Over the Top

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2025/05/02

In this episode of The Chad and Cheese Podcast, the gang serves up a spicy stew of economic banter and corporate shenanigans, with a side of sports and social commentary. They dive into the job market's wild rollercoaster, where small businesses are clinging on for dear life, while cheering Wrexham’s sports glow-up like it’s the underdog story of the century. The aging workforce gets a sympathetic nod as they dodge AI overlords and corporate curveballs, and the hosts toss in some cheeky

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7:27

Shredded: Deel, Rippling, TeamOhana, WorkBuzz, Toku,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/05/01

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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44:59

Spain Listens to Reagan

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/04/30

In this episode, the boys dive into the great European vacation boycott of the U.S.—turns out, Trump’s tariff tantrums and border shenanigans have Europeans swapping the Grand Canyon for grandma’s couch in Lisbon. They cackle over the diplomatic dumpster fire sparked by recent political stunts, then pivot to Spain’s Job&Talent, the staffing hotshot that’s raking in cash like it’s a piñata party. The platform’s plotting a global takeover with AI so smart it could probably match you with your dream

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33:24

Tariffs: Small Business Impact with Beth Benike

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/04/28

In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash welcome Beth Benike, CEO of Busy Baby, a baby product company featured on Shark Tank and NPR’s How I Built This. Benike, a former Army veteran and mother, shares the story of Busy Baby, which started with a silicone placemat that suctions to surfaces and tethers toys to keep them off the ground. Now offering eight interchangeable products, the company faces a crisis due to new U.S. tariffs on Chinese imports, with

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47:43

Indeed Drops, Big Tech Flops and the AI War Machine Pops

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/04/25

In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman, Chad Sowash, and J.T. O'Donnell serve up a spicy mix of summer vibes, NFL draft hot takes, and enough industry tea to fill a Chipotle burrito bowl. They’re hyped about the Pro Voice Talent Agency launch, a slick new gig for white-collar pros, and cackle over Chipotle’s bold leap into Mexico—because nothing screams “¡Olé!” like guac south of the border. But hold the salsa, because the real drama unfolds with Indeed and ZipRecruiter’s

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6:20

Shredded: Vizzy, PeopleForce, Indeed, Darwinbox,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/04/24

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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31:45

It's LinkedIn's World ... with Alex Fourlis

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/04/22

In this episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash rope in Alex Fourlis, the big cheese (sorry, Joel) at Veritone Hire, for a wild ride through the job market’s circus. Fourlis, with 25+ years of recruitment street cred, brags about Veritone slinging over a million jobs a month worldwide—like a digital paperboy on steroids. The trio dives into the chaos: hiring’s been dropping faster than a bad Tinder date for two years, automation and programmatic advertising are

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57:12

Indeed’s Midlife Crisis

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/04/18

On this episode of The Chad and Cheese Podcast, our hosts sling wit and wisdom faster than paintballs at a corporate team-building fiasco, dreaming up a tournament that’d make HR - and Cheesman - cry. Topics are spicy with the soap opera at Deel, where legal drama’s juicier than a reality TV reunion. Plus, they geek out over Indeed’s search boxes making a comeback and some fancy new premium service—because job hunting needed more flair. Switching gears, they clown on Indeed’s latest job-seeker

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