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It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the

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43:38

The Grief of Getting What You Want: with Chase Jarvis

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/06/12

Have you ever felt something, then immediately “disqualified” yourself from feeling it? As if you don’t have the right to feel what you’re feeling? Chase Jarvis is a very successful man. He’s also kind, and thoughtful, and actively exploring his own ideas of himself. If you’ve heard Chase speak before, this is a very different kind of conversation. We make a lot of invisible things visible in this episode, from the creativity of every day, to the grief of getting what you want, to how a

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Live Each Day Like It’s Your First: with Alua Arthur

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/06/05

What would a meaningful life look like for you? According to Death Doula Alua Arthur, conversations about death can be the most enriching conversations we have. It’s not about accepting death, or avoiding grief - it’s about building a relationship with yourself and others that doesn’t hold anything back. Why should you listen? Yeah, because you’re mortal and one day you'll die, but more importantly: because one day, hopefully in the far off future, you’ll look back at this life you’ve lived

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What’s It All For? Loss and Meaning In Midlife with...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/05/29

Midlife has a lot of messy stuff in it: divorce, the death of your parents, menopause, health scares, empty nests, career changes, feeling increasingly irrelevant - “midlife” has terrible branding, according to author, modern elder, hospitality expert, and CEO and co-founder of Modern Elder Academy Chip Conley. What if midlife (and beyond) could include an ever deepening sense of self and more satisfying connections - right alongside all that cascading loss? Chip and Megan start out talking

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Living with Chronic Illness: A Conversation for...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/05/22

Look, there are some things in life - a LOT of things in life - that just can’t be fixed or made better, you have to figure out how you’re going to live with them. If you’ve ever felt othered and invisible because of an illness or disability - this episode is for you. If you’ve ever loved someone with a chronic illness, or you’re a medical provider in any capacity, this episode is 3000% for you. And if you’re grieving some other loss or hardship, you’ll recognize so much of yourself in this

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Collective Grief and Communal Joy: with Baratunde...

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2023/05/15

Can you heal pain by focusing on joy? Baratunde Thurston gave what’s been called “the greatest TED talk of all time.” He’s written about being Black in America, he’s got a podcast about community involvement called How to Citizen, and he’s got a television show that explores the beauty and diversity of America. There’s a duality running through all of this work, and in Baratunde’s personal life: mourning and celebration. From the early death of a parent, to men’s emotional health, to violence

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Is There Grief In Politics? with Dr. Gabor Maté

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2023/05/09

Is there really a way to understand politics if you understand grief? In this bonus episode with Dr. Gabor Maté, we explore the interconnections of grief, trauma, politics, and policies. If you think politics and grief have nothing in common (or you think you don’t care about politics!) this short conversation might change your mind. In this episode we cover: Why people get uncomfortable connecting grief & politics How evidence of trauma shows up in politics (and what Megan and Hillary

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47:24

Why Do We Celebrate Trauma (aka: Resilience)? with...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/05/08

Did anyone teach you that understanding your grief is the key to being (or becoming) a healthy human being? Probably not. In this expansive episode, Megan speaks with world-renowned author and physician Gabor Maté about the role of trauma and grief in our personal lives and in society at large. Dr. Gabor Maté on grief, this week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK, the podcast. In this episode we cover: What is “personal agency” and why does losing personal agency create disease? Why calling

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It's Ok That You're Not Okay: Season 3!

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/05/01

Season three begins Monday May 8th, with all new shows and amazing guests. Follow now so you don’t miss an episode!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It’s Ok That You’re Not OK: the podcast

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/05/01

What would be different if we could all just tell the truth about our lives? Welcome to SEASON THREE of It’s OK that You’re Not OK: the podcast (formerly known as Here After with Megan Devine). I started this show to talk about grief, and it’s grown to be so much more than that - it’s become a place for real conversations about life, and love, and loss, and even… hope. In season three, episode zero, we cover the name change (FKA: Here After with Megan Devine), explore the worlds we create

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Is There Any Hope For Us? Maybe. More Will Be Revealed

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/04/24

We’re on break, creating all new episodes for season 3. In the meantime, here’s one of our favorite episodes from the past year. See you soon. In this final episode of season two, we answer the central question from episode one: is there any hope? Okay, well we don’t answer it. But we do review what we’ve learned. Turns out, everyone has an opinion about hope - from the creative to the bleak to the functional. Maybe one of these versions speaks to you. Click here for the episode webpage. Want

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Pet Loss and Veterinarians Who Cry: with Veterinary...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/04/17

We’re on break, creating all new episodes for season 3. In the meantime, here’s one of our favorite episodes from the past year. See you soon. Nobody likes to talk about pet loss… but everybody wants to talk about pet loss. What a difficult scenario that is! Veterinary oncologist Dr. Renee Alsarraf joins us to talk about grief, professionalism, and the importance of being human - on the job and off. In this episode we cover: The whole truth about loving - and losing - your pets The terrible

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Over and Over Again: Illustrator Aubrey Hirsch on the...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/04/10

We’re on break, creating all new episodes for season 3. In the meantime, here’s one of our favorite episodes from the past year. See you soon. “Getting people to feel angry with me makes me feel less alone, less helpless. (It) makes me feel like, okay, there’s a whole team of us. We're all gonna do it.” - Writer and illustrator, Aubrey Hirsch The world is such a hot mess: every day a new disaster, a new human rights catastrophe. It can just feel… endless. Illustrator Aubrey Hirsch joins us to

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Complex PTSD and the Art of Survival with author...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/04/03

We’re on break, creating all new episodes for season 3. In the meantime, here’s one of our favorite episodes from the past year. See you soon. If you’ve lived through horrific trauma or abuse, is it really fair of us to say that the ways you’ve learned to cope are “bad,” or to use clinical speak, “maladaptive”? This week on Here After, Stephanie Foo, author of What My Bones Know, joins me to talk about complex PTSD and the ways we pathologize human responses to trauma. You’ll also hear how

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Sometimes Loss Is Freedom: A Conversation with...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/03/27

We’re on break, creating all new episodes for season 3. In the meantime, here’s one of our favorite episodes from the past year. See you soon. What if you were just about to get divorced, but your partner gets sick? Like really sick? Rebecca Woolf was just about to leave an unhappy marriage when her husband got sick and died. What followed was a crash course in performative grief, and the dismantling of one life in order to build the next. In this episode, we cover love, sex, marriage, divorce,

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What’s the Deal with Prolonged Grief Disorder (and...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/03/20

We’re on break, creating all new episodes for season 3. In the meantime, here’s one of our favorite episodes from the past year. See you soon. PROLONGED GRIEF DISORDER! It’s everywhere - social media, The New York Times, The Washington Post… it’s the hot new medical condition everyone’s talking about. But why is everyone so mad about it? This week on the show, an overview of this hotly contested “new” human disorder, and what it means for the average person, for healthcare providers, and

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What Happens to Childhood Grief When You Grow Up?

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2023/03/13

We’re on break, creating all new episodes for season 3. In the meantime, here’s one of our favorite episodes from the past year. See you soon. Our early childhood experiences of grief - and how our family systems dealt with loss - have a huge impact on our adult behaviors and relationships. This week, author Allyson Dinneen (Notes from Your Therapist) joins me as we discuss generational grief stories. We also have the first of many conversations addressing your number one most asked question: how

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Is It Time to Retire the Stages of Grief? (Spoiler: yes)

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2023/03/06

We’re on break, creating all new episodes for season 3. In the meantime, here’s one of our favorite episodes from the past year. See you soon. Everybody knows the stages of grief. Even if you didn’t go to grad school, I bet you can rattle them off. Thing is - those stages don’t help anyone: not the pros trying to support patients or clients, not the person trying to survive an impossible situation. Tune in for the inside scoop on the stages of grief and what we should be doing instead, with a

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Is There Any Hope For Us? Maybe. More Will Be Revealed.

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/02/27

In this final episode of season two, we answer the central question from episode one: is there any hope? Okay, well we don’t answer it. But we do review what we’ve learned. Turns out, everyone has an opinion about hope - from the creative to the bleak to the functional. Maybe one of these versions speaks to you. Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A sessions. All the info at this link. About our guest: Megan Devine is a best-selling author,

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Coming Home to Yourself with Alex Elle

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2023/02/20

Can you make space for the whole truth in your life? The whole truth *of* your life? This week, best-selling author Alex Elle talks about the post-partum period after the launch of her newest book, and how her healing is intertwined with hearing the truth - the whole truth - about her own life. In this episode we cover: Why one of Alex’s friends told her she stop hoarding her stories How owning your own story - and your own healing - impacts everyone around you The intersections of writing,

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The Half Life of Love (A Short Love Story)

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/02/14

A bonus episode (and a re-release) for Valentine’s week - the love story at the core of the best-selling book, It’s OK that You’re Not OK, this podcast, and all of Megan’s work. This episode is unlike our normal weekly show. Tune in, and let us know if you’d like more occasional bonus episodes. Resources: This essay first appeared in a slightly different form on Modern Loss Get in touch: Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A sessions. All the info

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