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Feminine Chaos

Phoebe Maltz Bovy and Kat Rosenfield

Problematic faves, dissident feminism, and poodle interruptions: this is Feminine Chaos, featuring cultural commentary from Phoebe Maltz Bovy and Kat Rosenfield. femchaospod.substack.com

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83:37

Rosemary's Bibi: On Swashbuckling, Soup, and the...

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/12/24

In an extra-long, very special episode, Kat and Phoebe finish out the year with a retrospective on the death (or was it?) of journalism, a discussion of Soup Discourse, and a debate on the foolishness (or is it?) of tradwives.Links:James Bennett's essay: When the New York Times lost its wayPhoebe on the death of swashbuckling:Kat on tradwives…: The Paradoxical Freedom of Tradwife Tiktok…and the cost of soup.The origins of “Rosemary’s Bibi” in a single image: This is a public episode. If you’d like

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48:19

Big Hempin', Spendin’ Gs, Believin’ All Women Except...

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/12/07

Kat and Phoebe unsheath their wooden swords to discuss an all-hemp house featured in the NYT's "Living Small" column, and the latest galaxy-brained takes about sexual violence in Gaza.Links:Their Cape Cod Home Isn’t Small, but Its Carbon Footprint IsAccounts of Sexual Violence by Hamas Are Aired Amid Criticism of U.N. - The New York TimesPhoebe on the #MeToo Unless You’re a Jew phenomenon This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes,

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55:24

The Geopolitical Beyhive

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/11/12

Kat and Phoebe battle a glitchy recording platform to talk about the reporting process behind Kat's latest Airmail article, why people are firing bullets at Jewish buildings, and what the Israel/Palestine discourse has to do with Taylor Swift.Links:Kat: The Israel-Hamas Conflict Causes a Rift Among Young Progressives - Air MailA school shooting (that is, a school was shot): Montreal police investigating gunshots at two Jewish schools early in the morning of Nov. 9Phoebe on the food-appropriation

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51:56

The Eating of Hats, the Fanboys of Hitler, the Core...

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/10/29

Kat and Phoebe, notorious signatories of the Harper's letter on free speech, discuss tasty hats, terrible ballet flats, strange bedfellows in the queer activism community, and why the New York Times hired a Hitler fanboy for its coverage in Gaza.Links:The hat-eater (when will the free speech crowd say something oh wait they have): https://twitter.com/BovyMaltz/status/1716629638988857732Worm Joke Causes Science Twitter Flame War Over Accusations of Sexism and RacismBackground on the NYT's

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46:28

Golden Terrorist Bachelor Paragliders

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/10/15

Kat and Phoebe discuss war discourse and reality dating shows, which are, of course, basically the same thing.Links:Leigh Stein on personal brands facing difficult times: Phoebe on wishy-washy war commentary: https://thecjn.ca/perspectives/it-is-actually-fine-to-care-when-jews-are-killed-phoebe-maltz-bovy-on-tepid-responses-to-terror/Kat on war discourse and civility: https://unherd.com/2023/10/can-the-pro-palestine-left-redeem-itself/What's a keffiyeh? Wonder no more:

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56:43

Boobs of the Week

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/09/24

Kat and Phoebe grope for answers to this week’s big philosophical questions: what is the best Broadway show at which to get to third base? Do the Russell Brand allegations represent a new frontier in age gap discourse? If you say Jann Wenner’s name three times, will he show up and harass your dinner party guests with unsolicited opinions about who does and does not qualify as a philosopher of rock and roll? Links:Lauren Boebert apologizes again for ‘maybe overtly animated’ behavior at

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43:37

Counting Bodies

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/09/09

Kat and Phoebe discuss body counts, TV nudity, and what you can do with a falafel in the shower.Links:Phoebe on body count discourse:"The question we must ask young women is this: who told you it was acceptable to have a high body count?"https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1698099127467336124The Clerks scene:The falafel incident:https://www.vice.com/en/article/evgxkw/remember-bill-oreillys-extreme-sexual-harassment-falafel-lawsuit-from-2004The NYT on

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6:35

Premium: Eye Candy

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/08/18

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss an alleged denial of service at a Manhattan bar, NYC Mayor Eric Adams' most recent horny-on-main incident, and romantic approaches for all genders.Kat and Phoebe's recent work:Unraveling the Secrets of the BarbieverseHere come the female Andrew Tates - UnHerd"I'd like to be Eileen Gum / and call myself 'just a mum'The non-fact-che…

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56:29

Radical Barbiecore

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/07/25

Kat and Phoebe discuss a young man's existential crisis over being rudely awakened by his girlfriend, the cultural significance of the Barbie movie, the hot pink aesthetic known as "Barbiecore", and the $5 million log cabin for a man and his dog.Links:The regretful Redditor:https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/151hlva/my_gf_woke_me_up_with_a_blowjob_and_i_kinda_like/Kat on boundaries: Kat on Barbie and her millennial girlboss contradictions.

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60:37

If ChatGPT Had Hands, There Would Be Blood On Them

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/07/10

Kat and Phoebe discuss plotting a murder with ChatGPT and the latest in academic diversity dramas.Links:With End of Affirmative Action, a Push for a New Tool: Adversity ScoresPhoebe on the state of academic affairs:https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-waterloo-attack-is-part-of-a-broader-trend-of-hatred-for-academia/ https://thecjn.ca/perspectives/affirmative-action-and-diversity-statements-a-complicated-history-phoebe-maltz-bovy-on-local-and-not-so-local-edi-news/Our friends at

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56:35

Eat, Pray, Podcast

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/06/23

Kat and Phoebe are joined by friend and favorite Leigh Stein to discuss bad advice, self-cancelled books, and the accessories of the middle-aged.Links:Roxane Gay's less-than-sound advice: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/18/business/roxane-gay-lgbtq-work.htmlLeigh on the bad precedent: https://unherd.com/thepost/elizabeth-gilberts-self-cancellation-sets-a-dangerous-precedent/Kat on the hostage-video vibe: Phoebe on Ukrainians as marginalized-or-not:

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52:50

Literary Gaucherie and Mushroom Anecdotes

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/06/03

Kat and Phoebe share stories about mushrooms (not that kind), and mushrooms (yes, that kind.) Then: an allegedly scandalous review of Brandon Taylor's new novel, and the ensuing literary brouhaha.Links:The infamous review!https://slate.com/culture/2023/05/late-americans-brandon-taylor-twitter-novel-review.htmlBrandon Taylor in the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/25/books/review/brandon-taylor-interview.htmlMore on The Late Americans:

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39:53

Nerds, Dweebs, and Cancellees

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/05/22

With early access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss a New Yorker article about a party for the post-cancelled and the extremely normal responses to it from fellow journalists.This Party Is Cancelled: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-local-correspondents/the-party-is-cancelledReaders having a normal one:https://twitter.com/jeffihaza/status/1659278954014945280https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1658933551365234692https://twitter.com/1followernodad/status/1658947976973398016Jesse

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44:21

This Is the Last Stop On This Train

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/05/11

With early access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss the death of a man on the New York City subway, and the discourse that ensued. Links:Freddie deBoer on fear:Jamelle Bouie on some key facts:https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1655725142809387008Elizabeth Spiers defends the honor of the subway:https://twitter.com/espiers/status/1655548648875237376Kat on the #MeToo angle: https://unherd.com/2023/05/what-kind-of-woman-rides-the-new-york-subway/Phoebe on the Canadian angle:

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44:57

Where There are Canapes, You Canna Pee

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/04/20

Kat and Phoebe discuss the pros and cons of the downstairs loo, the rise and fall of the momfluencer, and whether society will ever flush itself of the ritual privilege check.Links:Caitlin Moran’s toiletless existence: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/64d060fe-d204-11ed-b1cd-5223fe349502Phoebe on momfluencers:https://unherd.com/2023/04/momfluencers-wont-absolve-your-mom-guilt/ This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

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53:00

Dylan Mulvaney, Julia Allison, a Peeing Raccoon, and...

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/04/12

Kat and Phoebe discuss a recent series of branding controversies, how protoinfluencer Julia Allison walked so Dylan Mulvaney could run, and whether we can get a toilet sponsorship for Phoebe's yard raccoon. Links:Dylan Mulvaney on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaneyDylan Mulvaney's tampon content:Caroline McCarthy on Mulvaney's brand relationships: https://twitter.com/caro/status/1645795995303956480Julia Allison, explained: https://www.wired.com/2008/07/howto-allison/The Nike Women and Bud

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48:04

The A**holes Making Fetch Happen

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/03/31

Kat and Phoebe discuss divisions of labor, poet finances, and the zombie discourse about reaction GIFs that makes us want to peel our faces off.LINKS:Anne Helen Petersen and the ongoing gospel of "men suck"Maggie Smith (the poet, not the Dame) on viral poetry and divorceKat requests a cease-and-desist on digital blackface op-edsPhoebe on husband discourse This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

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43:16

Fancy Faucets and Philandering Philosophers

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/03/14

Kat and Phoebe discuss the controversies we didn't mean to start, the Jewish tradwife philosopher polycules we shall not be participating in, and the fancy NYT real estate section stools we can't afford to sample.LINKS:Wait, is that price per stool?https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/realestate/georgetown-home-renovation.htmlKara Kennedy interviews Estee Williams, maker of husband’s sandwiches: https://thespectator.com/life/confessions-tiktok-tradwife-estee-williams/Phoebe on the Jewish angle:

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48:36

All Dahl-ed Up and Nowhere to Go

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/02/24

Kat and Phoebe discuss the greatest genderfluid fashion heist of our time. Then: the bowdlerization of Roald Dahl, the controversial banning (or is it?) of pornography (or IS it?!) from school libraries, and the illustrated dildo heard round the world. LINKS:Asyakhamsin brings the receipts:Sam Brinton, they/them, deputy assistant secretary of Spent Fuel and Waste Disposition in the Office of Nuclear Energy from June to December 2022Kat argues that all the problematic books should go in a bonfire:

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51:42

TikTokBookTalk with Leigh Stein

Feminine Chaos ·

2023/02/19

Kat and Phoebe are joined by Leigh Stein to discuss why TikTok is the next big thing for books, why high-falutin’ literary folk are so loathe to join the platform, and why her essay about this made everybody Mad Online.Links:Leigh's essay at Lithub: https://lithub.com/booktok-is-good-actually-on-the-undersung-joys-of-a-vast-and-multifarious-platform/The saga of Stone Maidens: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/02/19/stone-maidens-book-bestseller-daughter-tiktok/11251731002/ This is a

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