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School of War

In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war. Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines. Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine

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Ep 219: Stephen Platt on Mao's China and the Original...

School of War ·

2025/08/01

Stephen Platt, professor of Chinese history at UMass Amherst and author of The Raider: The Untold Story of a Renegade Marine and the Birth of U.S. Special Forces in World War II, joins the show to discuss the incredible life of Evans Carlson. ▪️ Times • 01:48 Introduction • 02:50 American quirk • 08:14 China • 10:18 Soviet policy • 14:01 Nicaragua • 16:29 Edgar Snow • 21:11 FDR • 24:42 8th Route

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41:23

Ep 218: Lawerence Freedman on Endless Wars

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2025/07/29

Lawerence Freedman, Emeritus Professor of War Studies at King’s College London and author of ‘The Age of Forever Wars’ in Foreign Affairs Magazine, joins the show to discuss why protracted warfare seems to be a mark of the era. ▪️ Times • 01:32 Introduction • 02:01 Aligning strategy • 04:37 Mass • 07:14 Iraq and Afghanistan • 11:14 Al Qaeda • 14:25 Survive • 17:50 Results matter • 22:04

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Ep 217: Steven Rabalais on Ike’s Mentor

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2025/07/25

Steven Rabalais, litigator and author of General Fox Conner: Pershing's Chief of Operations and Eisenhower's Mentor, joins the show to discuss the extraordinary influence of now-forgotten General Fox Connor on the outcome of WWI and Eisenhower’s career. ▪️ Times • 01:51 Introduction • 03:10 Growing up with history • 05:47 A southern story • 07:44 West Point struggles • 12:07 A reader • 14:50 Coastal artillery

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Ep 216: Will Somerindyke on Making Munitions in America

School of War ·

2025/07/22

Will Somerindyke, Chairman of Regulus Global and CEO of UNION, joins the show to discuss rebuilding the U.S. defense industrial base.▪️ Times • 01:36 Introduction • 02:35 A navy family • 05:51 Regulus • 08:05 American made • 10:45 155 • 14:44 Integration • 16:53 Supply chains • 23:20 Demand • 28:27 Flexibility • 31:40 Forging vs casting • 33:45 UNION • 37:27

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Ep 215: Ryan McDermott on Invading Iraq in 2003

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2025/07/18

Ryan McDermott, Army veteran of the 2003 invasion of Iraq and author of Downriver: Memoir of a Warrior Poet, joins the show to talk about his combat experiences.▪️ Times • 01:13 Introduction • 01:55 Seeking purpose • 04:11 West Point • 06:48 9/11 • 08:41 3rd Infantry Division • 10:12 Platoon tactics • 14:51 “Crossing tonight” • 18:08 Preparing for combat • 23:40 Tired • 29:37

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57:43

Ep 214: Bryan Clark on the Coming Sensor War with China

School of War ·

2025/07/15

Bryan Clark, senior fellow and director of the Center for Defense Concepts and Technology at Hudson Institute, joins the show to talk about how a war with China could play out. ▪️ Times • 01:51 Introduction • 02:00 Submariner • 10:10 Environmental conditions • 12:40 State of play • 20:04 Complacency • 23:36 Hellscape • 32:14 Cultural differences • 37:20 Party control • 43:40 Degraded

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58:29

Ep 213: Paul Lay on Cromwell and the English Civil War

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2025/07/08

Paul Lay, Senior Editor of Engelsberg Ideas and author of Providence Lost: The Rise and Fall of Cromwell's Protectorate,joins the show to talk about the turbulent age of the English Civil War, Cromwell, and the Protectorate.▪️ Times • 01:45 Introduction • 02:00 17th century • 03:51 The Thirty Years War • 12:40 Anti-Catholicism • 15:24 Underlying causes • 21:46 Cromwell • 30:34 Thatcher • 33:04 The Rump

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Ep 212: Arnold Punaro on Fighting in Vietnam and...

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2025/07/04

Arnold Punaro, retired USMC Major General and author of If Confirmed: An Insider's View of the National Security Confirmation Process, joins the show to talk about his infantry service in Vietnam and his experiences serving in Washington DC.▪️ Times • 01:35 Introduction • 05:40 5 weeks • 10:51 Officer training • 13:18 3/7 • 16:37 Jungle fighting • 23:25 Wounded • 31:32 Payback • 36:35 Bad

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53:31

Ep 211: Daniel Samet on the Origins of the...

School of War ·

2025/07/01

Daniel Samet, the George P. Shultz Fellow at the Ronald Reagan Institute and author of U.S. Defense Policy toward Israel: A Cold War History, joins the show to breakdown the origins of the important, if at times contentious, U.S.-Israel relationship.▪️ Times • 01:30 Introduction • 02:28 1948 • 05:44 Arabist strategy • 08:13 11 minutes • 10:37 Looking for friends • 15:40 Soviet-Arab relations • 19:25

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Ep 210: Scott Boorman on Sun Tzu

School of War ·

2025/06/27

Scott Boorman, Professor of Sociology at Yale University and author of Three Faces of Sun Tzu, joins the show to discuss the world and ideas of Sun Tzu.▪️ Times • 01:48 Introduction • 02:10 “Know your enemy” • 05:18 The Protracted Game • 09:59 Text and application • 16:05 Warring states • 21:14 Chinese thinking • 24:58 Net assessment • 29:05 Cunning • 32:02 Omissions • 37:05

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Ep 209: Jonathan Schanzer on the Israel-Iran Ceasefire

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2025/06/24

Jonathan Schanzer, executive director at FDD, joins the show to break down his time on the ground in Israel at the beginning of the war and what may come with the Israel-Iran ceasefire in place.▪️ Times • 01:27 Introduction • 02:10 Extraction • 05:50 Different • 09:25 In the shelter • 12:03 Damage taken • 16:18 Stress • 17:45 Getting out • 24:57 Road ahead • 30:40 Iranian risks • 32:10

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45:27

Ep 208: Mike Doran on America’s Strikes in Iran

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2025/06/22

Mike Doran, senior fellow and director of the Center for Peace and Security in the Middle East at the Hudson Institute, joins the show to break down America’s strikes against Iran’s nuclear facilities and what might come next.▪️ Times • 01:00 Reactions • 08:00 Deception • 12:00 More to come • 17:00 Self-deception • 24:00 Next few days • 31:00 Escalation • 34:00 Not over • 41:00 Trump is

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42:35

Ep 207: Mark Dubowitz on the Israel-Iran War and...

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2025/06/20

Mark Dubowitz, CEO of FDD, joins the show to bring us up to speed on the Israel-Iran conflict, and the possibility of America’s intervention. ▪️ Times • 01:00 Achievements • 05:00 Retaliation • 09:00 Hard math • 16:00 Intervention • 24:00 Outcomes • 30:00 Ground operations • 32:00 Another Iraq? • 38:00 Resolve and stability • 42:00 “Iraq Syndrome” Follow along on Instagram, X

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Ep 206: Cleo Paskal on China’s Central Pacific Strategy

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2025/06/17

Cleo Paskal, non-resident senior fellow at FDD and author of Crossroads of Competition, joins the show to discuss China’s campaign for influence and control at the scene of America’s bloody island-hopping campaign in WW2.▪️ Times • 01:35 Introduction • 04:03 Pacific desert • 07:45 Control • 13:48 Post 1945 • 22:43 Significance • 24:31 Yap • 29:43 Divisions • 32:18 Diplomatic

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Ep 205: Mark Dubowitz on Israel’s Unfolding Campaign...

School of War ·

2025/06/13

Mark Dubowitz, CEO of FDD, joins the show to breakdown last night’s spectacular Israeli strikes against the Iranian Regime and its nuclear program, and what comes next.▪️ Times • 02:00 Deception • 06:00 Targets • 09:00 The Scientists • 11:00 Complacency • 14:00 Israeli goals • 19:00 Regime change • 23:00 Strikes and talks • 29:00 Drones • 31:00 Counterpunch? Follow along on

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55:26

Ep 204: Annie Jacobsen on Nuclear War

School of War ·

2025/06/10

Annie Jacobsen, journalist and author of Nuclear War: A Scenario, joins the show to discuss nuclear weapons and their use.▪️ Times • 01:20 Introduction • 02:50 Finding the music • 07:02 Reporting • 09:15 Hidden information • 11:22 The scenario • 13:50 Launch on warning • 17:30 Villians • 20:45 Annihilation • 26:25 The Black Book • 30:40 North Korea • 34:03

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Ep 203: Stephen Rabe on the Invasion of Normandy

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2025/06/06

Stephen Rabe, historian and author of The Lost Paratroopers of Normandy: A Story of Resistance, Courage, and Solidarity in a French Village, joins the show to discuss one of the countless, incredible stories from D-Day. ▪️ Times • 01:18 Introduction • 01:25 Marine • 02:50 Origins • 06:48 Normandy • 09:29 507th • 15:20 Training • 18:23 Overlord • 21:21 The Villagers • 25:20 A change in

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42:48

Ep 202: Fred Kagan on Ukraine’s Attack and the Future...

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2025/06/03

Fred Kagan, senior fellow and the director of the Critical Threats Project at AEI, joins the show to discuss Ukraine’s drone operation targeting Russia’s strategic air assets. ▪️ Times • 01:46 Introduction • 02:25 What just happened? • 07:48 Escalation risk • 10:20 Control • 12:39 Implications • 21:10 Stratagems • 24:04 Effects • 30:40 Economic pressure • 37:20 Continuing

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45:59

Ep 201: Zachary Griffiths & McKinsey Harb on the U.S....

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2025/05/30

Lt. Col. Zachary Griffiths & Maj. McKinsey Harb joined the show to discuss the U.S. Army’s new Field Manual 1, FM 1 -THE ARMY: A PRIMER TO OUR PROFESSION OF ARMS. ▪️ Times • 01:22 Introduction • 01:51 West Point • 05:43 Culture shift • 08:50 FM 1 • 12:00 Ben Salomon • 18:06 Warrior • 24:04 Tensions • 31:05 Recruiting • 35:18 Leader/follower • 42:19 Mission command

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Ep 200: Rick Atkinson on the American Revolution at 250

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2025/05/27

Rick Atkinson, historian and author of The Fate of the Day: The War for America, Fort Ticonderoga to Charleston, 1777-1780, joins the show to discuss the causes, conduct, and epic consequences of the American Revolution. ▪️ Times • 02:08 Introduction • 02:21 Journalism • 04:30 Mogadishu • 09:30 Lessons • 12:49 Ideology • 16:36 Diplomacy • 20:21 Boston • 22:59 “Blows must decide” • 28:05

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