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Second Nature

Dylan Bowman & Aaron Lutze

The business of outdoor hosted by Aaron Lutze & Dylan Bowman

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01:02:27

How SENDY Is Closing The Loop On Outdoor Gear

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2024/11/05

Ian deQueiroz founded SENDY with action sports icons Travis Rice and Cameron Zink, and it's a platform where outdoor enthusiasts can buy or rent gear for nearly every outdoor activity imaginable. But there is so much more to this process than just posting up a buy/sell forum with gear, and Ian shares a mountain of insights about finding the right partners, technical stack, and maintaining community. We also learn how AI is becoming part of the process, and in the process, we uncover another strong

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01:00:40

What It Takes To Produce Red Bull Rampage

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2024/11/01

Twenty-three years ago, Todd Barber and a handful of freeride mountain bikers started an event that opened the doors to one of the most exciting disciplines in the sport. Red Bull Rampage has made a huge impact, and Todd and his team are continuing to grow the sport through the launch of Natural Selection - Bike, an event that is slated to launch next year in Queenstown. Throughout this discussion, we talk about the struggles and successes of putting together some of the biggest and most impactful

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54:30

The New NNormal: Building An Outdoor Brand

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2024/10/29

Sito Luis Salas and Jordi Lorenzo sit down with Second Nature to talk about the formation of NNormal, the importance of Kilian Jornet's involvement, and the future of the brand. In this unfiltered discussion, we dive into the triumphs and struggles of building a brand - as well as the power of content as "oxygen" to aid growth. Show Notes: NNormal: https://www.nnormal.com/ Kilian Jornet: https://www.instagram.com/kilianjornet/ Lymbus: https://www.lymbus.com/en

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57:47

Galaxy Brain Ideas From China

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2024/10/25

Aaron is back from his trip to China where he saw the frictionless world of the "everything app". But how could we turn this concept into a Galaxy Brain concept for the Outdoor Industry? We also dive into Allyson Felix's new agency, the New York Times article about women riding at Red Bull Rampage, and Nike's decision to bring back ACG. Show Notes: Allyson Felix - Always Alpha: https://variety.com/2024/biz/news/always-alpha-allyson-felix-womens-sports-management-dolphin-1236170273/

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01:01:54

Brand vs Performance Marketing

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2024/10/22

Jonathan Levitt joins the pod today to dig into the difference between brand marketing and performance marketing - and the impact that they make on both sides of the industry. As someone who works on the brand side, but also as a successful podcaster, Jonathan has a unique perspective on both approaches to growing brands. Show Notes: For The Long Run - Jonathan Levitt's Podcast: https://forthelong.run/ Zach Miller: https://www.instagram.com/zachmiller38/ Mario

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01:07:21

Going Rogue: The Adventure Tourism Economy

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2024/10/18

Michael Mazzara, owner of Rogue Expeditions and Halfmarathons.net joins us to talk about what he believes to be a new frontier in the world of trail running. His belief that runners don't always need a race to prepare for, and the opportunity to deliver something new and exciting, is at the core of where he is headed with Rogue Expeditions. Show Notes: Halfmarathons.net: https://www.halfmarathons.net/ Rogue Expeditions: https://www.roguexpeditions.com/ Backroads

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57:30

The Power Crystal of the Outdoor Industry

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2024/10/15

Erin Sprague is the CEO of Protect Our Winters (POW) and joins us on the podcast to talk about POW's mission and vision - and everything in between. We get insight into the business imperatives behind this mission and how best to talk about climate change in a new and insightful way. Protect Our Winters is working on so many fronts, and Erin decontructs the effort in a way that helps us understand the breadth and depth of everything that they are pushing forward - truly an incredible feat.

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01:01:26

The Emergence of Outdoor Sports Epicenters

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2024/10/11

Peter Abraham joins the podcast today to talk about the emergence of outdoor sports epicenters around the world, and what needs to be true in order for these locations to exist (spoiler: it's more than just mountains). We also go deep into the ways that coaching and leadership are changing, and how the cultural trend of joy is making an impact on brands, content and athletes. Links: Peter Abraham: https://abrhm.com/ Bentonville: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWWzqZbZYLo Howler Bike

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01:08:06

Demystifying The Future Of The Outdoor Industry

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2024/10/08

Today’s podcast is the ultimate example of cross-pollination. On Second Nature, we frequently talk about the value of connecting with people in adjacent industries, and that you get to have a glimpse into the future of your own industry. The people who are best at predicting shifts in an industry are typically the winners. What better way to do that than to identify an industry that’s ahead of you and ask every possible question you can come up with? Today’s guest is Travis Wannlund, who just

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01:19:28

The Infinite Game Of Outdoor Media

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2024/10/04

Dylan and Aaron dig into the details of each other's business and call out areas of opportunity for both Super Rider and Freetrail. This episode is part galaxy brain, part therapy session as they publicly share details about the struggles and triumphs of owning media businesses in the outdoor space. Using the concept of Simon Sinek's book "The Infinite Game", this podcast helps put a filter on decision making and how to move forward with business in the outdoor industry. Links: Simon Sinek -

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01:01:14

Stepping Into Oiselle's CEO Role with Arielle Knutson

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2024/10/01

Arielle Knutson is the CEO of Oiselle, a running apparel brand for women, by women. In the podcast, we talk about her journey that started as a member of Oiselle's ambassador program, and how she found her way into the Outdoor Industry. Links: Oiselle Arielle Knutson on LinkedIn Oiselle Director of Marketing Role Morning Brew article about Arielle's brand going viral on TikTok Aaron's favorite cottage cheese pancake recipe NYT Bestselling Author and Oiselle athlete Lauren

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01:08:36

Nike CEO Swap & The End of Gorpcore

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2024/09/27

Nike has a new incoming CEO and we've got our resident Nike expert, Steve Holmberg, joining us for the podcast to talk about what this means for Nike - and maybe more importantly - what that could mean for the Challenger Brands that have taken advantage of the opportunity that Nike's misstep has created. As a 17-year veteran of Nike, Steve had some interesting thoughts on how this incoming CEO news was received, and what Elliott Hill must do in the next year to get Nike back on track. Following

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56:45

Business Is Hard

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2024/09/24

Dylan and Aaron dig in to the real issues that they face as business owners and content creators, and the tactics that they might pursue to push past their current boundaries. They also riff on a "Galaxy Brain" idea that is sure to bring out some strong opinions and ideas of how best to support deserving athletes in the outdoor space. After that, it's a deep dive into an article titled "The End Of Big Surf" and the cautionary tale that could apply to outdoor sports in the future. The

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01:06:07

Brands and Athletes at UTMB

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2024/09/20

Dylan is back from UTMB with all the stories to share about the event - and more specifically, all the brands and athlete stories from the week. We run through all the top brand and product launches, discuss the key moments of the week, and dive into Dylan's Extremely Scientific Top 3 Athlete Kit Ranking. Also discussed was the ambush marketing on display and some of the new brands that appeared this year at the event. Links: Freetrail UTMB

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01:08:39

How Red Bull Rampage Made A Huge Step Forward

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2024/09/17

We are on the cusp of a meaningful inflection point in the world of mountain biking. For the first time in its 20+ year history, Red Bull Rampage will welcome an entire field of women to the event. This wasn't a snap decision, it came from dedicated people like Katie Holden, who worked with the brand, the event organizers, and the riders to create the momentum to make this a reality. In this podcast, we dig into the backstory of how this came to be - and we have an unfiltered conversation about the

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01:13:45

The State Of Outdoor Specialty Retail

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2024/09/13

Matt Sharkey rejoins the podcast for this week's dive into outdoor industry news. We start with the state of the industry for outdoor retail. Matt and Aaron go deep on specialty retail and some of the emerging brands in the space - including a brand called Satisfy, who just made an interesting hire to expand their offering to include footwear. Building on that conversation, we explore which "Challenger Brand" is most likely to unseat Nike at the top (and if it could even be possible). Next, we dive

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01:04:56

Content Collaboration Masterclass with Jess The Maker

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2024/09/11

Jess The Maker is an internet sensation from the mountain bike world, creating fun and accessible content that connects riders of all skill levels and makes the newest members of the sport feel welcome. In just two years, she's developed a massive following, which has turned content creation into her career. In this episode, she shares insights for content creators and brands alike - everything from pitching partnerships to best practices for collaboration. Aaron was taking notes the entire

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58:37

Why Brands Are Suddenly Focused On Performance

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2024/09/06

Today on the podcast, we're digging into the reason why brands are switching from athleisure and fashion-based products back into performance styles. Our good friend Steve Holmberg joins us again this week to also discuss the acquisition of MapMyFitness by Outside+ as well as a shift in big box retail chains globally. If you want to join the Second Nature Slack Channel (it's free), hit up this link here to get access. Links: The North Face's Innovative Offtrail Sneaker Features Kevlar

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52:26

The Athlete Who Solved Retail

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2024/09/03

Jamie O'Brien is a legendary surfer, content creator, and now owner of multiple retail locations throughout Hawaii and California. The Jamie O'Brien Surf Experience builds on the momentum that Jamie has developed over the past decade of producing films and YouTube content. After experiencing one of Jamie's retail locations in Hawaii firsthard, Aaron recounts his experience to fellow athlete content creator Eric Lagerstrom to break down everything he learned. After a bit of backstory as to how Jamie

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01:01:38

Ex-Nike Employee: The Industry Upheaval

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2024/08/30

Steve Holmberg joins Aaron this week on the Friday podcast to fill in for Dylan while he's out of the country at the super bowl of trail running, UTMB. Steve was a director of strategy and consumer insights at Nike for the past 17 years, and has a wealth of knowledge and experience to pull from during this session, giving context to the latest in outdoor industry news and prompting some galaxy brain discussions as well. Show Notes: Stephen Holmberg on Linked In StockX: Jordan and Nike down

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