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It"s Complicated

It"s Complicated

On It’s Complicated, Jenifer Golden, Lauren Leonelli, and Rob Evors dive into the oh-so-messy world of dating and relationships with hilarious anecdotes, strong opinions, and expert guests. From situationships and ghosting to commitment and compatibility, they share their own experiences while bringing in the pros to weigh in. New episodes may be on pause, but the full archive is loaded with real talk, laughs, and relatable moments — binge now and catch up on the chaos.

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00:44:43

What NOT to Say During a Fight

It"s Complicated ·

2022/09/07

Fighting sucks but EVERY couple goes through it. No matter how perfect your pics look on Instagram, we know you and your partner are probably fighting about who’s turn it is to unload the dishwasher…and if you’re not fighting at all, then that's a problem too. So, we are here to help by sharing some tips for what NOT to say when you’re in a fight and what to say instead, why you shouldn't name call and assume (even if they deserve it), how to avoid getting defensive, why you shouldn’t pretend you’re

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00:43:47

The Ick Factor

It"s Complicated ·

2022/08/31

Have you ever been really into someone and then all of a sudden, they gross you out, everything they do is annoying, and their quirks are not cute anymore? Then you caught the ick and all you can think is “eww.” Listen along as we discuss what “the ick factor” is exactly, what to do if you catch it, what it means if you keep getting it, how to know if you gave it to someone, and how to get rid of it once and for all! Keep it Complicated with Jen, NotJen, and Rob: Host Socials - @jenifergolden,

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00:57:17

Two Tickets to…Paradise? Travel Tips for Couples pt 2

It"s Complicated ·

2022/08/24

We changed our flight to stay a few days longer to discuss the complications that come with traveling as a new, or longer term, couple. Now that we have shared our history with vacations past, listen along as we continue the conversation about why traveling in the early stages is enticing but risky, how the stresses and joys of traveling can reveal the true colors of your partner, why we think vacationing can can get you to the next step of the relationship, how to share a space with someone for the

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00:58:55

Significant Travels with Your Significant Other

It"s Complicated ·

2022/08/17

We have all dreamt of traveling the world with the love of our life, but before you start planning a romantic vacay, you need to consider what could be in store once you take off for your trip. Listen in as we download on our past romantic travel situations, when we think it’s the right time to plan a trip with the person you are dating, why traveling in the early stages is enticing but risky, and how Jen’s recent vacay brought her home a boyfriend! Keep it Complicated with Jen, NotJen, and

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00:57:00

Honest Dating Questions, with We're Not Really Strangers

It"s Complicated ·

2022/08/10

Meaningful conversations with dates can be hard, right? Sometimes just starting one up can give you anxiety. We’ve touched on approaching people with pick up lines and how hard that can be, and we’ve talked about when to have the tougher conversations, but what about everything in between? We put We’re Not Really Strangers’ Honest Dating cards to the test to see if pre-determined questions take the pressure off getting to know someone, and share everything from the dating advice we’d give our former

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00:52:48

Going Below Deck, with Scarlett Bentley

It"s Complicated ·

2022/08/03

They say not to mix business and pleasure, but we have Scarlett Bentley from Bravo’s Below Deck Sailing Yacht in to join in on our conversation about starting a romance at work, what could go wrong, how to avoid having to find a new job, and what to do to make these types of flings go the distance and sail off into the sunset. Stay up to date with Scarlett: scarlettbentley Keep it Complicated with Jen, NotJen, and Rob: Host Socials - @jenifergolden, @laurenleonelli, @foreversevors,

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00:57:45

When Men Should Settle Down, with Robbie Kramer

It"s Complicated ·

2022/07/27

With the news about JLo and Ben finally tying the knot after 20 years, and estranged Khloe and Tristan expecting baby #2, we can’t help but wonder what the magic formula is for a man to want to settle down. We learn all about it and more from personal coach, dating strategist and founder of Inner Confidence Robbie Kramer who joins us to discuss what men need to accomplish before they settle into a committed relationship, how to know if you’re ready to settle down, and how men can gain the confidence

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00:45:03

Perfecting Pick Up Lines

It"s Complicated ·

2022/07/20

Pick up lines are tough, right? Even when they aren’t as obvious as “Are your legs tired? Cause you’ve been running through my mind all day,” they can still be off putting because they feel so unnatural, forced, and impersonal. The rub is, no matter what you say, when you approach a stranger that caught your eye, anything that comes out will most likely come off as a pick up line. Well, we dive in and discuss what the right way is to go about picking someone up, and where to do it, so the pick up

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00:49:07

Feeling Fireworks

It"s Complicated ·

2022/07/13

We're still recovering from July 4 festivities, and share how we all approached celebrating this year with everything going on in the US. This gets us thinking, are fireworks worth the recognition, or do they fizzle out just as quickly as they light up the sky? Tune in as we each take a stance on whether fireworks are necessary to indicate a healthy and successful beginning to a relationship, or whether the slow burn wins the race. Keep it Complicated with Jen, NotJen, and Rob: Host Socials -

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00:52:29

7 Relationship Myths

It"s Complicated ·

2022/07/06

Are myths just myths, or are they rooted in truth? Well, according to renowned therapist and relationship expert Esther Perel, it really depends on the context and someone's motivation. Join us as we weigh in on seven of the most notable relationship myths to determine whether bad sex is a deal breaker, your significant other should be your best friend, and the old adage "once a cheater, always a cheater" rings true. Topic inspired by THIS Refinery29 article. Keep it Complicated with Jen,

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00:37:52

Textcapades: When to Hit Unsend

It"s Complicated ·

2022/06/29

Have you ever sent a text to someone you’re interested in, and an embarrassing typo changed the entire context? Have you ever sent a message to the person you like, only to read it to a friend and have them say that it didn’t land the way you thought it would? Have you ever sent a “hey, you up?” text to the wrong Mike? Even worse, have you ever had a few too many adult beverages and sent a message (or 7) that literally makes you want to go into witness protection when you read it the next morning

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00:50:30

Going Deep: When is it the right time to discuss...

It"s Complicated ·

2022/06/22

When is it appropriate to ask deep questions when you are dating someone? Some lay it all on the table from the jump so that everyone is clear about expectations. Some wait until it’s serious before they discuss serious matters. Because timing in relationships runs at a different speed for everyone, the talk happens at different times depending on where you are at. Listen for our take on when to go deep, which questions you should ask, and why cool girls are all uncool. Keep it Complicated with Jen,

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00:55:50

Is Being A Good Dater Bad? with Jen, Rob AND Lauren

It"s Complicated ·

2022/06/15

Lauren’s back to share what life has been like during maternity leave, and her thoughts on everything Jen and Rob have been up to, which begs the question - does being a good dater actually make you bad at dating? Are you funny, entertaining, can keep the convo flowing at all times, while sharing info about yourself, flirting but also keeping it light and breezy? Or do you prefer to listen, keep to yourself, and only ask questions about the other person? Welp, if you’re either of those versions,

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00:59:06

A Mid-Summer Night’s Romance, with Jen & Rob

It"s Complicated ·

2022/06/08

Was there ROME-ance in Rome for Rob, and did things heat up in Miami for Jen?? Did Rob meet someone at Beau and Stassi’s wedding? Is Jen becoming bicoastal for love? The It’s Complicated crew is back to recap their recent travels and reveal whether they found the sparks they were looking for in different cities, or if the flame has always been right here at home. Keep it Complicated with Jen, NotJen, and Rob: Host Socials - @jenifergolden, @laurenleonelli, @foreversevors, @complicatedshow Shop our

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00:54:32

Summer of Love, with Jen & Rob

It"s Complicated ·

2022/05/11

Time is flying and summer is approaching. We’re gearing up for what that means in terms of dating and relationships - will it be the opposite of cuffing season now that it seems the worst of the pandemic is behind us, and warmer temperatures are upon us? Will people be traveling more, and getting serious less? We dive into Jen’s most recent dates, as well as both of our upcoming travels and how we’re approaching them in terms of potential romance. This episode is sponsored by Noom. Start building

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01:03:31

Life after Love Island, with Kierstan Saulter

It"s Complicated ·

2022/05/04

We’ve talked a lot about the different ways to find love on this show. We’ve also talked a lot about what some people are doing right vs. what some people are doing wrong. The thing about finding a “partner” for life is that they, too, are their own separate person. They have needs and wants and desires that are their own. As much as we want someone who fits into our lives perfectly, we MUST fit into theirs just as well. This begs the question: is there one specific person out there that is our

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00:54:44

Finding love AND family in a digital world, with...

It"s Complicated ·

2022/04/27

We’ve both had our fair share of time with other people’s kids lately and often take a look at ourselves to evaluate where we’re currently at. While everyone’s path is different, it often makes you wonder if you missed the boat altogether, or if another one will sail by when the tide is right. Having patience during those times can be challenging. Emily Lauren Burg, heybaby app CEO, and two-time founder and C-level operations strategist with Wall Street roots, and co-founder Chas McFeely, an

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00:46:44

OMG We’re Single, with Sara Runnels

It"s Complicated ·

2022/04/20

There have been a ton of celebs in the news recently with major relationship updates - Brit Brit is preggo, Kravis got hitched in Vegas, and our romcom dreams came true with Bennifer’s second engagement…With all of this love in the air, we can’t help but wonder how it happens for some people, but hasn’t yet for us…#areweright? Our guest, Sara Runnels, a writer and humorist who has appeared in The New Yorker, McSweeney’s, Betches, group chats and countless dating app messages, doesn’t claim to be a

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01:01:05

You Are Meant for Love, with Veronica Grant

It"s Complicated ·

2022/04/13

While Rob continues to work on himself and prep for any romance that might come his way, Jen is trying her luck at the dating apps and constantly battles the ups and downs that come along with it. Love and life coach Veronica Grant is back on the podcast to reveal why the old rules for finding love are meant to be broken, how to approach dating apps and patterns, and provide a no-nonsense approach to attracting the partner and relationship we really want with her new book, You Are Meant For

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01:20:13

Untriggered: A Relationship Masterclass, with Tori...

It"s Complicated ·

2022/04/06

We all want some sort of structure in our lives. Some NEED structure, like Jen. Others try their hardest to avoid it (here's looking at Rob)… but ultimately we can’t live without it. Whether it’s lining up a bunch of dates, or doing nothing and attempting to go with the flow...we all need something to keep us on track one way or another. But, we wonder, if you do crave structure…are you “coachable?” Our guest, Tori Gordon, founder of Coachable LLC, believes that coachability is the biggest indicator

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