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The NAVigator

Active Investment Company Alliance

The NAVigator, from the Active Investment Company Alliance (AICA), talks all-weather investing and "excellence beyond indexing" through the use of closed-end funds (CEFs) & business-development companies (BDCs). AICA – a new organization that includes a diverse constituency that runs from investors through fund sponsors – aims to help investors & advisors plot a new and different course to financial success, via the tactical use of securities that mix active management within listed & non-listed

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12:52

BlackRock's Minar on how the firm is changing...

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2024/05/24

Stephen Minar, Managing Director and Head of Closed-End Funds at BlackRock, discusses a contemporary conundrum in the closed-end fund industry: How discounts drive money flows into closed-end funds but also attract activist investors whose actions may be harmful to long-term individual investors. To address this, Minar notes that BlackRock has launched initiatives in a series of new funds that can reduce discounts, thereby making a fund less likely to attract activists, while increasing consistency

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13:12

Sizemore: "The Fed's actions have changed, but the...

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2024/05/17

Charles Lewis Sizemore, chief investment officer at Sizemore Capital Management, says that while short-term rates are as high as they are likely to be, the "massive discount" created in closed-end funds while rates were on the rise have not dissipated. That means closed-end funds remain a compelling value now, and Sizemore said he is finding particularly strong values in REIT-oriented funds and term funds. However, he noted that he's not a big fan of most equity-based funds now because with the

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13:00

Angel Oak's Triick says mortgages are in a...

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2024/05/10

Clayton Triick, Head of Portfolio Management, Public Strategies at Angel Oak Capital Advisors — part of the team running the Angel Oak Strategic Credit Fund — says that fundamentals and valuations seldom get aligned the way they have right now for the U.S. housing market and American homeowners. He notes that valuations are "cheaper than they should be" given the strength of the market and mortgage holders, creating opportunity. Triick says homeowners "did a really good job of locking in low

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14:03

Liberty Street's Munafo on opportunities in...

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2024/05/03

Christian Munafo, Chief Investment Officer at Liberty Street Advisors, which runs the Private Shares Fund, discusses how late-stage private venture companies are generating a huge chunk of economic power off most investors' radar. He says now is the time for many investors to pursue the opportunity, coming off of two years in which private shares struggled and markets for taking those companies public stalled. Munafo believes the recent pickup in IPOs is a positive sign. He also discusses Destiny

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10:59

Abrdn's Mondillo: Record discounts plus solid yields...

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2024/04/26

Jonathan Mondillo, head of North American fixed income for abrdn says that record discount levels for municipal bond closed-end funds, coupled with attractive yields on those funds, are creating real opportunities for investors, though he warns about the middle of the yield curve, noting that the most compelling values are at the two ends of the barbell -- the short-term and long-duration paper -- which he expects to continue even as the rate cycle plays out and the Federal Reserve finally moves to

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12:32

John Cole Scott gives his first take on 2024

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2024/04/19

John Cole Scott, President of Closed-End Fund Advisors and Chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, drills into the first-quarter data for closed-end funds. He notes that while municipal-bond funds still couldn't break out of their long-running slump, the first three months were a strong time for most closed-end funds (more than 90 percent were up for the period).

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13:24

Sit's Doty says meaningful rate cuts aren't coming...

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2024/04/12

Bryce Doty, Senior Portfolio Manager at Sit Investment Associates, says the uptick in inflation is not enough to overwhelm the yields investors are earning, noting that real returns may be better than ever. He says investors should enjoy collecting the high yields while interest rates remain high, and while total returns should improve once cuts start, investors will have to wait for that to happen. Doty does not expect meaningful rate cuts this year -- he anticipates two reductions, one after the

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10:31

Allspring's de Silva says U.S. still has the world's...

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2024/04/05

Harin de Silva, manager of the Allspring Global Dividend Opportunity fund, says that the U.S. markets have remained among the best income-generating investment opportunities when it comes to the yields being generated relative to the risks being taken. While he favors a global allocation, de Silva noted that the fund has a surprising tilt toward the United States, helped along by the low volatility levels due to the strength of the U.S. economy. Globally, however, de Silva notes that the big

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09:18

What struggles in the BDC market portend in a...

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2024/03/28

Nicholas Marshi, editor at the BDC Reporter, talks about the struggles business development companies (BDCs) had at the end of 2023, saying he was shocked to see that more than a third of the BDCs his publication tracks were "performing below ... reasonable expectations regarding their key metrics." He says that troubles tend to spiral for a few quarters before they get sorted out. Marshi also notes that no BDC has cut dividends yet, leaving "a really wide disparity of value between the BDCs" and

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14:54

Axel Merk on the broader impact of an activist...

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2024/03/22

Axel Merk, chief investment officer of the ASA Gold and Precious Metals, discusses the impact that Saba Capital Management is having on the fund and on shareholders as it entered the fund as an activist, moving to change the board as it pushes for a double-digit discount to be narrowed. Merk discusses the challenge of dealing with activist investors in a junior mining fund, the potential for the fund to be liquidated, the possible outcomes and the impact of the action on shareholders.

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11:35

abrdn's Omstead says the recent healthcare rally is...

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2024/03/15

Dan Omstead, global head of health care investments at abrdn -- part of the team running the firm's Healthcare Investors, Life Science Investors, Healthcare Opportunities and World Healthcare funds -- says that after several years of struggling, the recent rally in health care and biotech is significant, the start of a positive trend that should be able to withstand the pressures of an election year to keep running higher from here. Omstead identifies a few areas -- most notably the GLP-1 weight

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11:09

Tough times for commercial real estate are making...

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2024/03/08

Cory Johnson, chief executive officer at Pender Capital -- which runs the Pender Capital Real Estate Credit Fund, a closed-end debt interval fund -- says that there's "an abundance of very interesting opportunities" as the commercial real estate market goes through big changes as regional banks pull back from the sector and reduce liquidity for borrowers. The result is "a kind of a hey day ... the most attractive risk-adjusted yields we have seen since the financial crisis [of 2009], borrowers

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13:17

Calamos' Kaufman on launching a new ETF of closed-end...

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2024/03/01

Matt Kaufman, head of ETFs at Calamos Investments, says that years of experience running separately managed accounts of closed-end funds plus the firm's experience running closed-end funds -- as well as an investment environment where a fund that focuses on discounts had lots of investment prospects -- were part of the firm's thinking behind its new Calamos Closed-End Fund income and Arbitrage ETF which launched in January. While the fund is shopping for discounts in closed-end funds that are

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09:49

Examining BDCs and muni funds, and deciding between...

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2024/02/23

John Cole Scott, president of Closed-End Fund Advisors -- chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance -- looks at two asset classes that investors are turning to now for yields. While business development companies and municipal bond closed-end funds have low correlation, investors are looking at both asset types in order to raise yield levels in this market. Scott digs into his firm's data to examine where the two asset classes stand and offers a few picks in each sector that he thinks are

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10:39

Regulatory capital relief securities add yield,...

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2024/02/16

Dana Staggs, president of ArrowMark Financial Corp. -- a non-diversified, closed-end fund that trades under ticker symbol BANX -- talks about why the fund has changed in recent years to where 87 percent of its holdings are now in regulatory capital relief securities, and what that esoteric asset can add to a diversified portfolio. Staggs also discusses his outlook for banking -- where he acknowledges the potential for troubles but says they should not be systemic, disruptive problems -- and how

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10:14

Abrdn's Mondillo: Downtrodden muni funds now...

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2024/02/09

Jonathan Mondillo, head of North American fixed income for abrdn, says the municipal bond market has been looking at a "teacup inversion," and as that changes when the Federal Reserve cuts rates later this year, it should set up well for a barbell approach, with the bargains and values being at the short and long ends of the curve. He notes that the last 12 to 18 months have been hard for muni debt and closed-end funds in general, but that with rates having come to a peak, there is now real

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11:12

SCG's Merrill on how derivatives mitigate risk and...

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2024/02/02

Ian Merrill, president of SCG Asset Management -- which runs The Alternative Strategies Income Fund, a continuously offered closed-end interval fund -- says that investors can change the risk-reward picture in equities by using derivatives to reduce risk but also set up the potential for higher income. He suggests that using derivatives allow a classic 60-40 balanced investor to go to 50-30-20, with derivatives representing the last part of the allocation and generating returns that normally would

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10:58

VettaFi's Islam on the ETFs that are buying...

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2024/01/26

Roxanna Islam, head of sector and industry research at VettaFi, digs into the active and passive exchange-traded funds that invest in closed-end funds, looking at the choices, the new funds and the options investors have for buying ready-made portfolios of closed-end funds thanks to the simplicity of ETFs versus the chores of building their own portfolios. She notes that the active ETFs have some potential that the index-oriented versions have seemed to be missing in current market conditions.

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10:33

Angel Oak's Pate sees opportunities in banking as...

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2024/01/19

Cheryl Pate, senior portfolio manager at Angel Oak Capital and manager of the Angel Oak Financial Strategies Income Term Trust, says that 2024 "will bring a still somewhat tough operating environment for the banks but net interest margins are abating, valuations are cheap and [mergers and acquisitions] activity should accelerate from here." That gives banks an attractive opportunity set, particularly by focusing on credit quality and looking for "a fundamental mispricing of bank debt" that is

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12:54

CAIA's Filbeck on 'taking the alternative out of...

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2024/01/12

Aaron Filbeck, managing director at the CAIA Association -- industry association for Chartered Alternative Investment Analysts -- says that the evolution of alternatives over the last few decades has made it to where it's naive for investors to effectively lump the wide range of investment options under the simple label of "alternatives." Filbeck, who oversees UniFi by CAIA -- a platform that educates private wealth managers about alternative investments -- says that sophisticated investors look

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