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Industry Relations

Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson

This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider"s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.

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52:40

Does NAR have a competence problem?

Industry Relations ·

2024/02/28

Who bears the brunt of legal defense costs? What financial toll does this uncertainty cast on associations? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into the pressing issues faced by the National Association of Realtors (NAR) and its profound impact on local associations, MLSs and brokers. The insurance dilemma that has recently come to light, along with the unclear communication and lack of transparency from NAR is concerning to put it mildly. And the conversation doesn't stop at

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58:13

DOJ Drops Statement of Interest in the Nosalek Case

Industry Relations ·

2024/02/21

What impact will the Department of Justice's stance on the MLS settlement have on the future of buying and selling houses? In this important episode of "Industry Relations," Rob and Greg talk about a big message from the Department of Justice (DOJ) about the MLS settlement. The DOJ seems to want the court to say no to the settlement. Selling agents might not make as much money as before, and buyers agents might need to show why they're worth their commission more than ever. It's time to start

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51:35

Super Bowl Ripples

Industry Relations ·

2024/02/14

ultimate cost warrant the spotlight? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg discuss Homes.com's momentous marketing push running an ad during the most watched event in America – the Super Bowl. And its potential ripple effects on industry giants like Zillow. Rob and Greg also revisit the real estate industry's current legal battles. The buzz around the Keller Williams settlement and with consolidation on the horizon, how will ongoing lawsuits reshape the future landscape for real

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56:43

The FCC’s New Rules on Lead Aggregators & Real Estate

Industry Relations ·

2024/02/07

How will the FCC’s new rules on lead aggregators affect real estate professionals? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg talk to Matthew Marx of Evocalize about how to stay compliant while still effectively marketing themselves. One of the biggest changes is that lead aggregators will now be required to obtain consent from consumers before obtaining their personal information. So what do real estate professionals who use lead aggregators need to do? Tune in to find out! Follow this

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54:03

Free Advice to AREA: Focus on Professionalism

Industry Relations ·

2024/01/31

Is the real estate industry ready for an alternative to NAR? On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg talk about the American Real Estate Association, also known as AREA, being positioned as a potential replacement for NAR. As it appears no crisis goes to waste, real estate agents across the country are bracing themselves for what could be the ultimate showdown. It’s the potential battle of the acronyms: NAR versus AREA, NLS versus PLS, and so many more. What lessons can we learn from

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46:31

Why Smaller Associations & MLS Organizations Should...

Industry Relations ·

2024/01/24

How are the FCC rules on lead generation reshaping the insurance and real estate industries? In this episode, Rob and Greg break down the new FCC rules on lead generation and how they are impacting the insurance and real estate industries. Learn how these rules aim to prevent automated robo calls or texts without clear consumer disclosure. Rob and Greg explore the implications for industries like insurance and real estate, including lead resale and lead distribution platforms such as Zillow and

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56:46

Does the industry need so many REALTORS?

Industry Relations ·

2024/01/17

Is this industry saturated with REALTORS? Will the part-time real estate agent fall by the wayside? Join Rob and Greg as they discuss industry evolution, challenges in obtaining accurate statistics, and the impact of part-time agents. They reflect on historical decisions, and propose solutions such as restricting REALTOR membership and implementing apprenticeship programs. Listen now to gain insights and thought-provoking solutions for the real estate industry! Listen to the Industry Relations

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58:13

Impact and Consequences of the Zillow Lawsuit

Industry Relations ·

2024/01/10

What happens when a real estate giant like Zillow takes legal action against their own clients? Things get a little complicated as Rob and Greg explore the issues of the delicate balance of being a participant, vendor and MLS organization (sometimes all at the same time!) ***Disclaimer - Due to MLS Aligned being a consulting client of Greg, the views expressed on this podcast are Greg’s opinions and DO NOT represent the views of MLS Aligned.*** Rob and Greg discuss the recent Zillow lawsuit against

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01:04:40

Year-in-Review: What Will the 2024 Real Estate...

Industry Relations ·

2023/12/29

It’s the time of year to reflect, predict, and make hopeless new year’s resolutions! On this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg look back on 2023 and how much the real estate industry has changed over the span of just one year. From mergers and acquisitions to lawsuits and settlements, Rob and Greg reflect on the tumultuous year that was 2023! We also hear predictions for what’s to come in the new year. Let's go! Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms!

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48:43

Unwrapping the Real Estate Industry's 2023 Naughty &...

Industry Relations ·

2023/12/20

It's the most wonderful time of the year - Industry Relations' Holiday Special is here! Join hosts Rob and Greg as they unwrap their naughty and nice list for the real estate industry. Who will make it to the top of the nice list? And who won't be so lucky? Find out in this holiday special episode of Industry Relations for insight on who rocked 2023! Tune in now to see our naughty and nice list for the industry. Let's go! Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast

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51:07

Guiding the Real Estate Industry through the 5 Stages...

Industry Relations ·

2023/12/13

What is the aftermath of recent legal developments in the real estate industry? In this engaging episode, Rob and Greg explore the impactful Sitzer v. NAR case, guiding you through the stages of grief experienced by the industry. From denial to anger, and from bargaining to acceptance, Rob and Greg walk you through the importance of showcasing value and embracing adaptability amidst changing practices. It’s an episode you don’t want to miss! Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on

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45:40

The Future of NAR: Can This Industry Titan Be Reformed?

Industry Relations ·

2023/12/06

Should NAR be reformed? What is the role of REALTORS in the lawsuit, and the value of membership in NAR? Join Rob and Greg as they answer these questions and the potential rebirth of the REALTOR movement, the importance of authenticity in communication, and the value of REALTORS sharing their authentic stories to connect with consumers. Plus Rob and Greg throw in their own doom and gloom predictions just to shake things up. Stay up-to-date with the real estate industry with this brand new episode of

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01:15:28

The Great NAR Debate: Sam DeBord Challenges Rob and...

Industry Relations ·

2023/11/29

On this episode of Industry Relations, Sam DeBord joins Rob and Greg, and things get a bit uncomfortable as Sam tries to set NAR’s record straight. Tune in as Sam and Rob have a testy disagreement on NAR’s competency, but at the end of the day display their passion for the industry. While Greg tries to keep the peace and believes everyone on all sides can do a better job. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Follow this link to subscribe to Industry

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47:05

NAR Conference Recap and Zombies

Industry Relations ·

2023/11/22

Join Rob and Greg on this episode of Industry Relations, as they recap the NAR NXT annual conference and explore some critical issues. Greg shares what NAR NXT's atmosphere was like, and find out why Rob is worried about independent press commenting on NAR. Also, discover the reasoning behind Rob and Greg’s beliefs that the real estate industry is way past prepping and the zombies are breaching the wall! Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Follow

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55:27

NAR’s Response to the Sitzer Burnett Lawsuit: Jump...

Industry Relations ·

2023/11/08

It’s been a rough week for the real estate industry and in the aftermath of the Sitzer Burnett lawsuit, what does it really mean for everyone in the industry? Tune in to this episode of Industry Relations as Rob and Greg break down NAR’s response to the lawsuit. Find out why Rob believes a lot of people will abandon NAR and why Greg feels that this shouldn't be the spark that sets everyone off. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on all podcast platforms! Follow this link to

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01:25:58

Verdict’s In Plaintiffs Win

Industry Relations ·

2023/11/01

Lots to unpack in this very special episode of Industry Relations. The Burnett/Sitzer commission lawsuit verdict is in! Rob and Greg share their initial reactions on the $1.785B in damages, what this means for the industry, copycat lawsuits and more in this recorded livestream. They answer viewers' questions and are joined by Mike Simonsen from Altos Research to provide some of his insights on what will likely happen next for the industry. Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available on

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44:05

The Sitzer Burnett Lawsuit: Reactions to Gary...

Industry Relations ·

2023/10/25

Curious about the biggest takeaways from the high-stakes Sitzer Burnett lawsuit? Tune into the latest episode of Industry Relations and stay up-to-date with Rob and Greg as they dissect week one of the trial. Hear Rob and Greg’s reactions from Gary Keller's testimony, learn about key points in this case, and their insights on what the defense lawyers need to bring to the table. Get informed and stay up-to-date with this intriguing legal battle! Listen to the Industry Relations Podcast, available

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58:57

Burnett v. NAR: The Lawsuit That Could Upend the...

Industry Relations ·

2023/10/18

What if we told you that a high-stakes trial in the real estate and technology industry is about to unfold, with potential implications for consumers and the future of the housing market? Today, Rob and Greg are joined by Ed Zorn, Vice President and General Counsel at CRMLS, and they dive into the details of the ongoing Burnett v. NAR trial, exploring the various legal aspects and arguments that could lead to a major disruption for home sales. Join us as we discuss the application of the "per se"

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55:10

CMLS 2023 Recap and Would the Last Member Leaving NAR...

Industry Relations ·

2023/10/11

How valuable is it to be a member of the National Association of Realtors? On this episode of #IndustryRelations, Rob and Greg discuss the value of being a member of the National Association of Realtors (NAR). Will the recent announcements of Redfin leaving and other franchisors taking away the requirement for franchisees being NAR members make a big difference in member count? Greg also shares his firsthand experience at this year's CMLS conference in New Orleans, providing insight into the current

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46:25

What Has Really Changed In The MLS Industry?

Industry Relations ·

2023/10/04

On this episode of Industry Relations Rob and I discuss what has really changed in the MLS industry. One thing that has always been a constant in the MLS industry is change. With technology rapidly evolving and consumer demands continuously shifting, it's no surprise that the MLS landscape is constantly adapting. But what does this mean for those working in the industry? Are there new skills or knowledge that are now required to succeed? Greg’s YouTube Listen to the podcast on Apple Listen to the

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