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It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the

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Is There Enough Love To Go Around?

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/02/13

The world can feel like such a lonely place sometimes. You ever feel like there’s not enough love and support to go around? Like, there’s a severe shortage of compassion in the world, both for you and well, everyone? Me too, friends. To get us into this topic, this week on Here After with Megan Devine, we cover grief comparisons, like whether divorce and death should be compared, or the death of anyone should be compared to the loss of a pet. Of course the short answer is no: grief comparisons are

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More Anger Means More Joy: Part Two with Soraya Chemaly

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/02/06

What do we lose when we’re not allowed to be angry? In a lot of ways, anger is more taboo than grief. They’re deeply related, as you’ll hear in this two-part episode: both grief and anger are considered “negative” emotions, things you shouldn’t feel, and definitely shouldn’t express in polite company. But what if reclaiming our anger was the way to build the world - and the relationships - we most want? All of that and more with the best selling author of Rage Becomes Her, Soraya Chemaly. In

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Rage Becomes Her (and by “her” I mean US) with Soraya...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/01/30

What do we lose when we’re not allowed to be angry? In a lot of ways, anger is more taboo than grief. They’re deeply related, as you’ll hear in this two-part episode: both grief and anger are considered “negative” emotions, things you shouldn’t feel, and definitely shouldn’t express in polite company. But what if reclaiming our anger was the way to build the world - and the relationships - we most want? All of that and more with the best selling author of Rage Becomes Her, Soraya Chemaly. In

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It’s Not Just Business: Healthcare Equity &...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/01/23

Dr. Errol Pierre is a corporate executive, leader, mentor, and outspoken advocate for healthcare equity in the US and Haiti. HIs new book, The Way Up, helps underrepresented individuals from all ethnic backgrounds achieve their professional goals and elevate their careers in today's workplace. What you probably don’t know is that grief - in one form or another - plays a part in every one of those roles. In this episode we cover: Why a book about climbing the corporate ladder gets the

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Grief, Collected with Amy Choi and Rebecca Lehrer

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/01/16

Amy Choi and Rebecca Lehrer are used to exploring complexities. As hosts of the podcast The Mash-up Americans, they cover all sorts of complex intersections of identity and culture. In this episode of Here After, they join me to talk about Mashup Americans’ newest series, Grief, Collected. In this episode we cover: Amy’s brilliant grief avoidance/childbirth analogy & what we need in order to come out of our dark little nests into the light of grief The real nuance in whether most people

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The Full Experience: Fitness, Love, Death & Community...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/01/09

Have you ever wanted to just SMASH things? Leanne Pedante and her husband Miles’ relationship was built on bravery and communication - they worked so hard to reach the next step together, excited to explore the edges of possibility in love and in life. On his way back to see Leanne after several months away, Miles’ car veered off the road, and he was killed. In the just under two years since, Leanne has continued to grow the virtual reality fitness community, Supernatural. As a late-comer to

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New Year’s Resolutions vs “Aggressive Futurism” with...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2023/01/02

Is acceptance overrated? What happens when you have to face a new year without your person in it (or without the health you used to have!)? In this special two-part episode, we face the new year together - with a re-release of my conversation with historian, author, and queen of awkward conversations, Kate Bowler. In this episode: How do you have hope for the year to come when right now maybe isn’t so great? Acceptance, moving forward, and ferocious self-advocacy The Math of Suffering: this

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New Year, Same Old Feelings

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/12/26

The end of the year is always a flurry of resolutions and “next year will be even better!” sentiments. If your life has been anything but awesome lately, a “new year, new start” can feel impossible. In this special two part episode, we face the new year together - with a re-release of my conversation with historian, author, and queen of awkward conversations, Kate Bowler. In this part one of this episode: How do you have hope for the year to come when right now maybe isn’t so great? Why New

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A Christmas Eve Tradition

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/12/24

My dad used to read ‘‘Twas the Night Before Christmas” every Christmas Eve when I was a kid, after dinner and before we opened our Christmas pjs. So many of you are missing your dads, or grandparents, or the father of your kids. This year, I asked my dad to record the Christmas Eve classic for the show. I wanted you to have a stand-in grandpa, in case you were missing one of your own. From my family to yours, may you have the best holiday season available to you. (‘Twas the Night Before

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Connection Is the Best Medicine: with Dr. Rana Awdish

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/12/19

Ever wonder what doctors say about their patients when they think no one can hear? Dr. Rana Awdish doesn’t have to wonder - as a patient, she overheard a lot of distressing things. Her experience led her to change how medical providers speak about - and to - their patients, spreading compassion through communication (which we know is a mission dear to my heart). Listen in to hear Dr. Awdish’s take on the pressure on healthcare workers, too. “I've come to know that people call you a hero when

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It’s Been Ten Years: What You Need to Know About...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/12/12

It’s been ten years since the massacre at Sandy Hook elementary where 20 children and 6 adults were murdered in an act of public gun violence. While we’ve got your attention in this flurry of ten year anniversary media reports, Sandy Hook parent survivor Nelba Márquez-Greene wants you to know what survival really looks like. This is a re-release of the first episode of season two. On this week’s show, Nelba and I discuss what it’s like to live such a public grief, and what it means to find joy -

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If I Survived, You Can Too! Author Emi Nietfeld on...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/12/05

The rags to riches success story is everywhere - usually with a side of trauma somewhere: the homeless child with mental health issues overcomes all the odds to win an Ivy league scholarship. After graduation, they continue to “rise above” their past by joining the world’s most famous tech company. If they can do it, anyone can. It’s a story we hear over and over again. But what if those transformation stories actually hide some deeply screwed up practices? Author Emi Nietfeld joins us to explore

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Looking For Black & Indigenous Burial Grounds: Bonus...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/11/29

Dog search team expert Cat Warren’s current work focuses on historical research, specifically: searching for abandoned or hidden burial grounds. This fascinating branch of search work combines history, racism, grief, and social reckoning. In this episode we cover: How dogs let us talk about historical acts of violence in ways that seem impossible otherwise Are there bones in the highway you’re driving? Probably yes. Where to even start looking for burial grounds someone wanted to keep

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Dogs and The Dead: With Cadaver Search Dog Expert Cat...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/11/28

You’ve probably seen it - dramatizations of search dogs, running through the woods, noses to the ground, looking for a missing person, or for human remains. We’ve got a weird fascination with this stuff in the media, but when it’s real life - well, if it’s your loved one those search dogs are looking for, it’s a whole different story. What’s it like being the human half of a cadaver search dog team? Expert Cat Warren lays it all out this week. In this episode we cover: What’s it really like

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You Can’t Keep Everybody Safe with Author Mary Laura...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/11/21

If you’ve been worried about bad things happening to the people you love, is it possible that an actual bad thing might bring temporary relief? Obviously, the answer is “no not really,” but in this conversation with author Mary Laura Philpott, we explore the weird complexity of the anxious (and loving) mind, and the hoops we jump through to ensure our own survival. Mary Laura’s latest book, Bomb Shelter, traces her son’s epilepsy - from being woken up early one morning to the sounds of what would

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Neurodivergence & Being Seen, Not Shamed with Lauren...

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2022/11/14

Look, life is weird and difficult. Social situations are hard to navigate. The world is too loud or too scratchy. You’re too loud or too bright or just “too much.” And then, a new diagnosis helps you understand all that friction in a new way. It doesn’t magically make things better, but it does make things…. Different. On today’s Here After with Megan Devine, Lauren Ober joins us to talk about The Loudest Girl in the World and her journey to understand what it means to be on the autism spectrum,

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Untangled: Suffering & The 8-Fold Path with Koshin...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/11/07

If you look at social media with its reliance on meme-based psychology, you’d think that the Buddhist approach to life is to not let things get to you - that the true spiritual path helps you rise above such limited, unenlightened human feelings like grief, greed, and resentment. Zen teacher Koshin Paley Ellison is here to tell you that your suffering deserves your attention. In this episode we cover: How an experience of targeted violence shaped Koshin’s childhood, and what it’s taught him

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Other People Have It Worse: Veteran Jason Kander on...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/10/31

On the outside, veteran Jason Kander had everything going for him: successful political career, lovely family, the respect of his peers. But on the inside, he was struggling: nightmares, depression and suicidal thoughts were constant companions. Jason joins us to talk about his new book, Invisible Storm, and what it really takes to go from post traumatic stress to post traumatic growth. (don’t let that “post traumatic growth” turn you away from this episode! There are no shortcuts to happiness

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Women, Life, Freedom: Grief and Power In Iran, with...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/10/24

What’s happening in Iran and why are you hearing about it so much? This week on Here After, Iranian-American actor & writer Nazanin Nour on the protests unfolding in Iran, grief in the Iranian global community, and how the whole world has the power to fight for women, life, and freedom. This episode is so special - I need you to listen. In this episode we cover: What’s happening in Iran and why the whole world is watching Why violence thrives in secrecy (no matter where it’s

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Pet Loss and Veterinarians Who Cry: with Veterinary...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2022/10/17

Nobody likes to talk about pet loss… but everybody wants to talk about pet loss. What a difficult scenario that is! Veterinary oncologist Dr. Renee Alsarraf joins us to talk about grief, professionalism, and the importance of being human - on the job and off. In this episode we cover: The whole truth about loving - and losing - your pets The terrible advice Dr. Renee Alsarraf’s grad school teacher gave her (and why she refused to listen) Why veterinarians and other professionals should

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