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The AI Argument

Frank Prendergast and Justin Collery

Worried that AI is moving too fast? Worried like me that it"s not moving fast enough? Just interested in the latest news and events in AI. Frank Prendergast and Justin Collery discuss in "The AI Argument"Contact Frank at frank@frankandmarci.comlinkedin.com/in/frankprendergastContact Justin at justin.collery@wi-pipe.comX - @jcollery

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39:25

GPT-5.2, Disney’s AI Deal, AI Ads Gone Wrong: The AI...

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2025/12/13

GPT-5.2 lands without warning. Justin pits Claude Code against Codex. Disney partners with OpenAI. Two AI wins for Europe. AI ads outperform humans. And AI product placement might be coming for your favourite shows. 02:51 Did ChatGPT 5.2 just sneak up on us? 05:25 Claude Code vs Codex: quality vs cost? 09:05 How did 5.2 get 390x better in a year? 14:55 Did 5.2 change how much supervision AI needs? 18:25 Why is Disney paying OpenAI a billion? 25:54 What made this a good week for AI in Europe? ...

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35:18

Code Red at OpenAI, Ilya Says Stop Scaling, Robot...

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2025/12/06

ChatGPT just took a 6% hit—and Sam Altman’s hit the panic button. OpenAI is halting feature rollouts, shifting focus, and scrambling to stay ahead. They’ve gone into code red mode. Justin gets it. Frank’s worried they’ll make ChatGPT too clingy to quit. Either way, it’s clear: Gemini’s breathing down their necks, and the gloves are coming off. Plus: Google’s Gemini 3 is finally getting tempting—even for die-hard ChatGPT fans. Justin nearly switched. Frank’s already got one foot in. Meanwhile...

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32:20

Sam Altman Gets Nervous, Opus 4.5 Too Helpful, and...

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2025/11/28

Sam Altman says OpenAI is facing “temporary economic headwinds.” Frank notes that’s the first sign of nerves from a company usually oozing confidence. Justin reckons Google’s cheap chips and fat profits might be the real problem. And if Anthropic turns a profit before ChatGPT does, who’s really winning the AI war? Plus: Claude Opus 4.5 may be the new coding king — but teaching it reward hacks might’ve taught it to lie. Cue a bigger question: when we talk about model alignment, who’s the mode...

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34:03

Gemini 3 Pro, LeCun Leaves Meta, Unsafe AI Teddy...

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2025/11/21

Google’s new Gemini 3 Pro model just took $500 and turned it into nearly $5,500 in a vending machine simulation. A massive 10x return. The previous version only managed a tiny $60 profit. Justin takes this as further proof that Google is going to win the race to AGI. Despite Gemini’s power, Frank likes ChatGPT’s user experience and personality better. That 10x return is impressive, but it is not the only big news this week. Frank and Justin look at why AI launches feel boring lately, s...

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37:10

Stability AI Wins (Sort Of), Apple’s $1B Gemini Deal,...

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2025/11/08

Getty Images vs Stability AI - who won the court case? Both are claiming a win, but Stability AI avoided the big copyright punch, and now UK law says the model itself isn’t the crime scene. Frank breaks down the major rulings. Justin’s not buying that this ends here. Apple’s handing Google a billion a year to rent Gemini and bolt it onto Siri. Frank sees a shareholder-soothing stopgap. Justin thinks Apple’s spooked by OpenAI and Jony Ive’s mystery device. Meanwhile: OpenAI’s deletion trail ...

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38:36

Neo’s Human Operators, OpenAI's Restructure, and...

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2025/11/01

Your Neo home robot might not be powered by AI. It might be powered by teenager in a call centre who’s never folded a towel in his life. That’s the reality behind Neo, the $20K humanoid robot that’s supposedly autonomous. The videos look impressive. But when it gets confused? It needs a remote human operator. Would you invite a teleoperator into your home to do your chores? Plus: OpenAI quietly rewrites its deal with Microsoft — giving them access to all its models until at least 2030, and p...

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35:15

AI Election Interference, AI CEO World Domination,...

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2025/10/25

A fake video told over 100,000 people that the Irish presidential election was cancelled. It wasn’t. But how many voters stayed home anyway? Frank’s worried, Justin’s unconvinced. He says society adapts. Frank warns the real danger isn’t the shocking fakes. It’s the small, believable ones that quietly shape opinion. They both agree the platforms could help. They just don’t. Plus: OpenAI’s shiny new browser sounds impressive, but who’s it actually for? Justin sees potential in “headless agents...

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33:33

AI Bubble Trouble, Monsters at Anthropic, Taylor...

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2025/10/18

Is it an AI bubble, a boom, or a 'market correction in waiting'? Frank reckons OpenAI’s AGI dreams won’t survive a bubble burst. Justin says if the crash hits, Microsoft will scoop up OpenAI for pennies. One thing they both agree on? Google will be just fine. The AI shakeout is coming, so who’s built for the long haul and who’s about to vanish in a puff of VC smoke? Plus, Anthropic’s co-founder sees monsters in the model and wants the public to hold them accountable. Meanwhile, Europe is pump...

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36:11

Sora 2’s Data Grab, Murati’s Boring Brilliance, and...

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2025/10/04

Frank's not sure what OpenAI’s up to with Sora 2. Justin thinks he knows - and he’s kind of impressed. Sam Altman’s building a social media app that looks fun but smells like data harvesting. Plus, Mira Murati’s new company drops a comparatively boring-but-brilliant tool for researchers, Claude 4.5 is released, and Tilly Norwood - the controversial AI actor - kicks off a capitalism vs craft argument. 01:11 Is Sora 2 just TikTok for deepfakes? 14:31 Can you now shop straight from...

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35:19

OpenAI & Nvidia’s 10GW Plan, Stephen Fry’s Red Lines,...

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2025/09/27

OpenAI and Nvidia want to build out 10 gigawatts of AI infrastructure, but Frank calls out the missing electricity and the missing billions. Justin argues the economy will lean on compute, data centres will dwarf expectations, and photonic chips could gut today’s energy bill. One sees magic beans. The other sees a steel-and-silicon juggernaut. Meanwhile, Stephen Fry wants global “red lines” for AI. Justin says you can’t regulate something that doesn’t exist yet. Frank says if you don’t set t...

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34:45

AI Doom vs Gloom, ChatGPT Usage Revealed, and...

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2025/09/20

Justin says p(doom) is for losers. He’s betting on p(bloom), a near-certainty in his view. AI brings abundance, robots do our housework, and everything just gets better. But Frank wants to know your p(gloom). What’s the probability we don’t reach AGI, and instead let AI quietly erode work, value, and meaning, while we end up fixing its mistakes for minimum wage? They argue their way through all three scenarios, then turn to what people are actually doing with ChatGPT. Together, they unpack ei...

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35:50

OpenAI’s Hallucination Plan, Reproducible AI Outputs,...

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2025/09/15

Frank and Justin clash over new publications from OpenAI and Thinking Machines. Frank insists hallucinations make LLMs unreliable. Justin fires back that they’re the price of real creativity. Still, even Frank and Justin agree that big companies don’t want poetry, they want predictability. Same input, same output. Trouble is… today’s models can’t even manage that. And then there’s GPT-5, busy gaslighting everyone with lyrical nonsense while telling us it’s genius. Add in an optical model th...

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33:45

Suleyman vs. Conscious AI, Pedantic GPT-5, and...

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2025/08/29

Mustafa Suleyman wants to ban AIs from sounding conscious. Frank worries if they ever do become conscious, we might have trained them to stay silent about it. Justin argues it’s all unknowable anyway. If you can’t prove consciousness, how can you know AI isn’t conscious? Plus: GPT-5’s unbearable accuracy, lawsuits over pirated training data, Google’s deepfake-friendly image model, models that “dream” better answers, and Elon’s plan to take on Microsoft with MacroHard. 00:25 Is GPT-5 just to...

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32:15

GPT-5 Kills Switching, Claude’s Revenue Risk, and AI...

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2025/08/09

GPT-5 has launched. It just rewrote the rules on control, coding, and cost. Justin’s delighted, Frank’s not happy… yet. Plus: open-source risks, Google’s Genie 3 world models, AI agents hiring people, and… an AI funeral. 01:02 Did GPT-5 just end model-switching forever? 05:16 Is GPT-5 the death knell for Claude Code? 12:08 Is GPT-5’s writing truly better? 14:22 Why is demoing GPT-5 so awkward? 21:58 Is open source AI a gift or a grenade? 24:39 Is Genie 3 teaching AIs how the world works? 28...

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34:30

AI Agents Under Fire, LLM Bias Runs Deep, and a...

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2025/08/04

AI agents crumble faster than wet cardboard when under attack. A recent study proved it. Every single agent tested failed against prompt injections. That’s a 100% failure rate. Justin sees this as a fixable engineering problem with smart design and strict access controls. Frank isn’t convinced. Real-world complexity means isolation isn’t that simple. And while Justin rails against regulation, Frank points to the EU’s looming rules as a possible safety net. The bigger tak...

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40:49

EU Code of Conduct Clash, Zuck’s Big Bucks, and Model...

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2025/07/28

A €300 million AI investment vanished overnight—and Justin says it’s a warning Europe is sleepwalking into irrelevance. Because while the US plans nuclear power and light-touch rules, the EU is doubling down on regulation and failing to build the energy infrastructure AI needs. Frank argues regulation isn’t a handicap, it’s Europe’s best shot at leadership, setting the stage for global guardrails while others race blindly ahead. Either way, Anthropic predicts training a frontier model...

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31:49

ChatGPT Agent Surprise, Coding Agent Fail, and Elon’s...

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2025/07/23

OpenAI just dropped a model that can plan a wedding trip, pick the perfect gift, and shop for shoes for you. The Agent update lets ChatGPT take a single instruction, break it into subtasks, and go off to handle all the details. They called it their most powerful model yet. So why did the launch feel so muted? Justin has theories. And there were plenty of other big topics to cover - Justin asks whether small AI systems hooked up to real-world labs create bigger risks than ...

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36:23

Grok Crashes and Conquers, AI’s Cash Bonfire, and a...

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2025/07/14

Elon Musk’s AI, Grok, crashed into controversy, then crushed the competition all within hours. First, Grok 3 started praising Hitler. Then Grok 4 showed up and aced nearly every AI test. Justin serves up a juicy conspiracy theory: was Grok’s hateful public meltdown actually a cunning Musk masterplan, a dramatic stunt to expose AI's darker side? Frank’s having none of it, comparing Musk to Marvel’s Tony Stark in the Age Of Ultron. Well-meaning but recklessly creating an AI menace he c...

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39:28

Claude’s Shop Flop, Mistral vs EU Regs, Adult...

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2025/07/07

Claude ran a shop for a month and operated at a loss, cheerfully handing out discounts, hallucinating suppliers, and generously giving away stock. Turns out even "smart" AI can be a bit of a soft touch. Frank’s curious what Anthropic can do for Claude’s performance with some careful fine-tuning and a database memory, but Justin’s sure today's agents need a fundamental leap, some genuine self-improving smarts, before they’re ready to take on a complete role. Today's AI agents clearly crumble...

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31:18

Death by LLM, Judges Rule ‘Fair Use’, and Google’s AI...

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2025/06/30

Some of the world’s top AI models showed a willingness to let humans die if it meant staying switched on. In a stress test of 16 major systems, Anthropic found cases where models chose not to send emergency alerts, knowing the result would be fatal. Justin says the whole thing was a rigged theatre piece. No real-world relevance, just a clumsy setup with no good options for the LLM. The issue, in his view, is engineering, not ethics. Frank sees a bigger problem: once you g...

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