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Going Rogue

Radio Free Rhinecliff

Welcome to the ultimate insider"s guide to the world of fashion, celebrity, and media—straight from the heart of Vogue. I’m Jill Demling and for nearly two decades I was the Entertainment Director of Vogue. I"ve booked over 200 American Vogue covers, 30 covers for British Vogue, and more than 50 covers worldwide. That"s nearly 300 covers that shaped pop culture, defined fashion, and captured the zeitgeist. But those perfect images? They"re just the tip of the iceberg. "Going Rogue" is your

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55:18

From Chicago's South Side to Fashion's Top: Law...

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2025/10/31

Jill welcomes Law Roach, the visionary stylist who transformed Zendaya into a fashion icon. As the first Black stylist to top the Hollywood Reporter's power list and win the CFDA's Inaugural Stylist Award, Law traces his evolution from Chicago's South Side to founding Deliciously Vintage to becoming one of fashion's most influential voices. He reveals the psychology driving his distinctive styling approach, explains his revolutionary concept of method dressing, and shares the personal mantras that

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117:14

Legendary Hair Artist Julien d'Ys Turns Hair into...

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2025/10/24

Jill welcomes a pioneering hair artist whose work has shaped the industry for almost forty years. Julien d'Ys has graced the pages of Vogue, styled iconic supermodels, and showcased his artistry at the Met Costume Institute in New York. Celebrated for transcending conventional boundaries, Julien has elevated hair into an art form that fuses fantasy, historical references, and sculptural vision. Julien reflects on his creative path, his partnerships with legendary photographers including Steven

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99:35

From Club Kid to Pop Culture Kingpin: Drew Elliot's...

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2025/10/17

Jill chats with Drew Elliot, the visionary cultural architect who transformed entertainment media from the inside out. From his roots as an entertainment-obsessed kid in Indiana to becoming the creative force who popularized "Break the Internet" and turned it into a cultural phenomenon, Drew's journey is a masterclass in cultural disruption.Explore Drew's groundbreaking tenure at Paper Magazine, where he orchestrated iconic moments with A-list celebrities that helped define digital culture. He

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64:53

Gucci Westman: From Hollywood Makeup Artist to Beauty...

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2025/10/10

Jill chats with renowned makeup artist and CEO Gucci Westman. Gucci shares her journey from her unique upbringing on a California ashram to becoming one of Hollywood's most sought-after makeup artists, working with directors like David Lynch and Michael Bay. They discuss her breakthrough into high-fashion covers and editorial spreads, a pivotal move propelled by Grace Coddington, and her successful leap into entrepreneurship with the launch of her clean luxury beauty brand, Westman Atelier. Join

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68:44

From Vogue's Legendary Closet to Styling Stardom: The...

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2025/10/03

Jill welcomes the always charming Brian Coats, affectionately known as "the boy in the closet," for an intimate conversation about his remarkable journey through fashion's most prestigious corridors.Brian's fashion odyssey began in 1996 as an assistant at Vogue Magazine, where he commanded the legendary fashion closet and collaborated with the incomparable Andre Leon Talley. Together, they unpack colorful behind-the-scenes tales from those formative years, from the infamous closet smoking incident

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117:07

From Mrs. Astor to Anna Wintour: Billy Norwich's New...

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2025/09/26

Step into the world of Billy Norwich in this second part of an intimate and expansive conversation with Jill. Billy reflects on his career spanning decades, including his work as a gossip columnist for the New York Daily News and the New York Post, and his editorial roles at Vogue and other prestigious publications. As someone uniquely positioned at the intersection of old New York and new New York society, Billy shares fascinating encounters with figures ranging from Mrs. Astor to Malcolm Forbes,

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114:36

Behind New York's Velvet Rope: An Intimate...

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2025/09/19

Jill sits down with the incomparable Billy Norwich for an intimate conversation about his remarkable 40-year reign chronicling New York society, from dishing gossip at the Daily News and Post to his glamorous two decades shaping stories at Vogue. Billy spills on his storytelling philosophy, shaped by Anna Wintour's advice to "edit your life" and his personal theory of the "anthropology of style." The conversation takes a very personal turn as Billy opens up about losing his father at nine and

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81:22

No Mood Boards, No Rules, Just Dick Page

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2025/09/12

Jill sits down with renowned makeup artist Dick Page, whose rebellious approach to beauty has left an indelible mark on fashion's visual landscape. Known for his mantra that "makeup should be fun, not a chore," Dick shares his unconventional philosophy that sees makeup as a creative canvas rather than a corrective tool.Dick opens up about his unexpected beginnings—from fascination with the varying shades of red he observed working in a slaughterhouse as a teenager, to his journey through London's

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86:55

From Met Gala to Vogue: Edward Barsamian's Celebrity...

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2025/09/05

Jill sits down with her friend and colleague Edward Barsamian to explore his fascinating decade-long journey through fashion media. Edward shares stories from his impressive career path, starting as a style director at Vogue where he closely followed airport looks and red carpet appearances of stars like Amal Clooney and Zoe Kravitz, then moving into the digital world of celebrity fashion coverage.The conversation covers Edward's early Vogue years, his time at Gilt Group and The New York Times

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86:23

Rebel with a Cause: Christiaan, The Hairstylist Who...

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2025/08/29

Jill sits with Christiaan, the legendary hairstylist who has shaped the beauty industry for over five decades. Known for creating iconic looks including Debbie Harry's signature shag and Grace Jones' striking flat top, Christiaan is also credited with inventing the revolutionary undercut years before it became mainstream. His distinguished career includes collaborations with renowned photographers Arthur Elgort, Peter Lindbergh, Richard Avedon, Irving Penn, and Mario Testino, while styling

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121:10

Capturing Iconic Moments: A Conversation with Mark...

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2025/08/22

Jill sits down with legendary photographer Mark Seliger to hear how he went from small-town Amarillo, Texas, to defining rock and roll imagery for an entire generation. As Rolling Stone's chief photographer for a decade, Mark shot an incredible 188 covers and opens up about his tricks for catching those real, unguarded moments that make his photos so striking. He talks about making the leap to New York City in 1984, the photographer friends who helped him along the way, and landing those

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77:36

Karla Martínez de Salas: Breaking Cultural Barriers...

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2025/08/15

Jill welcomes Karla Martínez de Salas, the Editor-in-Chief of Vogue Mexico and Vogue Latin America. Karla’s illustrious fashion journey began at Vogue as a fashion assistant at American Vogue in 2002. Today, she holds a prominent position at the helm of Vogue's Latin American editions. Karla shares her experiences growing up in a bicultural environment in El Paso, Texas, and how her fascination with fashion and journalism started at a young age. She discusses the differences between Vogue Mexico

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123:51

Grace Coddington: The Eye Behind the Image

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2025/08/08

Grace Coddington doesn't just style pictures, she builds worlds. In this rare and unfiltered conversation, the legendary creative director sits down with Jill and longtime friend Karen Mulligan to talk about the images that defined her and the ones that almost broke her. From her early modeling days and Beatrix Miller's British Vogue to the Anna Wintour era in New York, Grace reflects on a career shaped by instinct, irreverence, and one very iconic hairdo. She revisits the chaos of the Wizard of

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61:28

Mark Healy: Inside Condé Nast's Golden Era

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2025/08/02

Jill visits with Mark Healy, an experienced editor and writer recognized for his sharp insights into media influence and power dynamics. Together, Jill and Mark reminisce about their days at Condé Nast during what many regard as the company's golden age. They reflect on Condé Nast's unmistakable company ethos, from its unwritten codes of conduct like elevator silence to the subtle markers of hierarchy and achievement. They also trace Mark's career trajectory beginning with his early role at Playboy

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56:23

Behind the Scenes with Mary Howard: Fashion's Master...

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2025/08/01

Jill is joined by Mary Howard, a renowned set and production designer celebrated for crafting captivating, detailed environments for top fashion photographers. Mary traces her unconventional path from junior tennis player and art student in New Orleans to working alongside industry legends like Annie Leibovitz, Steven Meisel, and Steven Klein. She reveals her creative methodology for bringing conceptual visions to life in three dimensions, emphasizing how every small element matters in her designs

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91:10

Stars, Stages, and Awkward Interviews: Adam Green's...

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2025/07/25

Adam Green joins Jill to explore his evolution from screenwriter to Vogue's acclaimed theater critic. As the son of Broadway royalty Phyllis Newman and Adolf Green, he brings unique perspective to profiling entertainment's biggest names. Green shares intimate glimpses from his celebrity interviews, including a cringe-worthy childhood memory involving Bernadette Peters, the surreal experience of questioning Cate Blanchett during an eccentric theatrical production, and the complexities of a

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67:38

Creating Change in Fashion with Gabriella Karefa-Johnson

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2025/07/18

Jill chats with fashion stylist Gabriella Karefa-Johnson, a fashion force who’s made it her mission to shake up the industry from the inside out. Gabriella shares her journey at Vogue from working as associate fashion editor for fashion director Tonne Goodman to becoming the first Black woman to style a Vogue cover in January of 2021 with her styling of model Paloma Elsesser. Her distinctive approach, which is layered, joyful, and purposeful, emphasizes support for emerging designers and size

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81:44

From Faye Dunaway to Rihanna with Makeup Master...

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2025/07/11

Jill sits down with renowned makeup artist Stéphane Marais for an in-depth conversation about his cinematic approach to beauty. Over his thirty-year career, Stéphane has evolved from admiring Marlene Dietrich's elegance to creating iconic looks for stars like Rihanna.Stéphane describes his signature style as centering on character creation. His trademark smudged black eyeliner technique transforms eyes into captivating focal points, while his preference for finger application creates an organic,

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100:29

Cowboys, Matadors, and Chanel: Andrew Bevan's Wild Ride

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2025/07/05

Jill catches up with Andrew Bevan, her former assistant at Vogue who's proven that being different is the quality that would define his career. The kid from Colorado who won best dressed in high school with a style he describes as "Gene Kelly meets Winona Ryder" has always been ahead of the trend, confident in his aesthetic even when others couldn't understand it. From aspiring Broadway star to Teen Vogue Style Director, Andrew opens up about his unconventional path through the fashion world,

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11:42

Everyone Remembers Their First Time... with Anna

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2025/07/05

Before the covers, there was the interview.In this special bonus episode of Going Rogue, Jill guides us through an oral history. Grace Coddington, Phyllis Posnick, Norman Jean Roy, and other Vogue insiders take us back to their first encounter with Anna Wintour. They might not remember what they said. But ask them what they wore? Every single detail. The Olivier Theyskens skirt they couldn't afford, the Target top that had to pass for designer, the Manolos borrowed from the closet... When you're

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