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Going Rogue

Radio Free Rhinecliff

Welcome to the ultimate insider"s guide to the world of fashion, celebrity, and media—straight from the heart of Vogue. I’m Jill Demling and for nearly two decades I was the Entertainment Director of Vogue. I"ve booked over 200 American Vogue covers, 30 covers for British Vogue, and more than 50 covers worldwide. That"s nearly 300 covers that shaped pop culture, defined fashion, and captured the zeitgeist. But those perfect images? They"re just the tip of the iceberg. "Going Rogue" is your

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83:13

Revisiting Tonne Goodman's Vogue Legacy

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2026/01/02

Note: This re-released episode from June 2025 features Tonne Goodman, longtime fashion director at American Vogue who styled over 200 covers, most with Jill. Tonne witnessed fashion's seismic shift from photographer-first covers to celebrity-driven ones, working under Liz Tilberis at Harper's Bazaar and Anna Wintour at Vogue. This episode returns now because next week's guest, Paul Cavaco, shares a deeply intertwined career with Tonne. They were co-fashion directors at Bazaar before Tonne took over

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114:16

The Making of Makeup Artist Francelle Daly, A Story...

Going Rogue ·

2025/12/26

Jill chats with Francelle Daly, a renowned New Orleans-born makeup artist whose journey to the top was fueled by pure hustle and determination. Beginning her career at the Saks makeup counter, Francelle quickly scaled the ranks, working on sets with legendary photographers like Annie Leibovitz and Craig McDean. Francelle shares the story of her unconventional path, her resilience in the face of industry challenges, and her experiences working on high-stakes projects like a celebrity cruise campaign

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93:37

Inside Nick Knight's Vision: The Past, Present, and...

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2025/12/19

Join Jill for a conversation with iconic image maker Nick Knight. For over 40 years, Knight has redefined fashion imagery, working with i-D, Vogue, and W. From documenting street culture and collaborating with Yohji Yamamoto, Linda Evangelista, and British Vogue to founding SHOWstudio and creating projects with Alexander McQueen, Björk, Lady Gaga, and Kanye West, Knight has transformed how fashion is seen and experienced. He discusses his philosophy that photography is about creating what you want

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135:24

Master Hairstylist Garren on Five Decades of Fashion,...

Going Rogue ·

2025/12/12

Jill talks with Garren, the legendary hairstylist who shaped fashion history over five decades. From his modest beginnings in a basement salon in Niagara Falls to becoming a fixture at Bergdorf Goodman and a trusted creative partner to photographers like Irving Penn, Richard Avedon, and Steven Meisel, Garren's journey is nothing short of extraordinary. They explore his work on transformative looks: Farrah Fawcett's feathered waves, Linda Evangelista's endless reinventions, and signature styles for

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43:29

Versha Sharma Revisited: What Disappeared When Teen...

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2025/12/05

Note: This is a re-released episode from June 2025. When Jill sat down with Versha Sharma, she was Editor-in-Chief of Teen Vogue. Since then, Condé Nast has folded Teen Vogue into vogue.com, eliminating the masthead entirely. Sharma's job and the editorial identity she built were swept away in that restructuring, which is exactly why this conversation feels even more relevant now. Jill sits down with Versha Sharma for the story of her climb to EIC at one of America's most influential youth

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107:38

Steven Klein on Breaking Rules, Beauty, and His Vogue...

Going Rogue ·

2025/11/28

Jill speaks with iconic artist and photographer Steven Klein for an intimate exploration of his groundbreaking career. Renowned for his transgressive, culturally resonant imagery, Klein discusses his new book 'Steven Klein Vogue,' which chronicles two decades of boundary-pushing work within mainstream fashion photography. The conversation traces his journey from his Rhode Island upbringing through his transformative collaborations with Anna Wintour, Grace Coddington, Phyllis Posnick, Garren, Kate

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72:06

From Bloomingdale's Windows to Vogue's Inner Circle...

Going Rogue ·

2025/11/21

Jill chats with legendary fashion insider Candy Pratts Price, whose decades-long career has left an indelible mark on the industry. From revolutionizing Bloomingdale's windows to pioneering digital fashion journalism at style.com to serving as Anna Wintour's right hand at Vogue, Candy has been a transformative force behind fashion's biggest cultural moments. She shares her journey from Washington Heights to the industry's highest echelons, offering her unique philosophy on fashion as entertainment

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66:08

Jawara Wauchope on Representation and Hair Artistry

Going Rogue ·

2025/11/14

Jill talks with Jawara Wauchope about his journey, whose passion for hairstyling began at age six, sweeping floors in a Kingston salon and eventually transforming his sister into a music video muse. Born in Brooklyn and raised in Jamaica until he was ten, Jawara returned to Queens and pursued an unconventional path through salon apprenticeships and the Fashion Institute of Technology (FIT). After years assisting fashion legends like Guido Palau, Sam McKnight, Luigi Murenu, and Paul Hanlon, he

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67:20

Mickey Boardman: The Man Who Shaped Paper Magazine

Going Rogue ·

2025/11/07

Jill chats with Mickey Boardman, also known as Mr. Mickey, the cultural tastemaker and heart of Paper Magazine for the past three decades. From his beginnings as a kid in suburban Illinois obsessed with glamor to becoming New York's most beloved cultural tastemaker, Mickey shares his journey, including insights into the famous Kim Kardashian 'Break the Internet' cover, his unique editorial vision, and his passion for celebrating creativity and authenticity. Through stories of his early work,

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55:18

From Chicago's South Side to Fashion's Top: Law...

Going Rogue ·

2025/10/31

Jill welcomes Law Roach, the visionary stylist who transformed Zendaya into a fashion icon. As the first Black stylist to top the Hollywood Reporter's power list and win the CFDA's Inaugural Stylist Award, Law traces his evolution from Chicago's South Side to founding Deliciously Vintage to becoming one of fashion's most influential voices. He reveals the psychology driving his distinctive styling approach, explains his revolutionary concept of method dressing, and shares the personal mantras that

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117:14

Legendary Hair Artist Julien d'Ys Turns Hair into...

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2025/10/24

Jill welcomes a pioneering hair artist whose work has shaped the industry for almost forty years. Julien d'Ys has graced the pages of Vogue, styled iconic supermodels, and showcased his artistry at the Met Costume Institute in New York. Celebrated for transcending conventional boundaries, Julien has elevated hair into an art form that fuses fantasy, historical references, and sculptural vision. Julien reflects on his creative path, his partnerships with legendary photographers including Steven

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99:35

From Club Kid to Pop Culture Kingpin: Drew Elliot's...

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2025/10/17

Jill chats with Drew Elliot, the visionary cultural architect who transformed entertainment media from the inside out. From his roots as an entertainment-obsessed kid in Indiana to becoming the creative force who popularized "Break the Internet" and turned it into a cultural phenomenon, Drew's journey is a masterclass in cultural disruption.Explore Drew's groundbreaking tenure at Paper Magazine, where he orchestrated iconic moments with A-list celebrities that helped define digital culture. He

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64:53

Gucci Westman: From Hollywood Makeup Artist to Beauty...

Going Rogue ·

2025/10/10

Jill chats with renowned makeup artist and CEO Gucci Westman. Gucci shares her journey from her unique upbringing on a California ashram to becoming one of Hollywood's most sought-after makeup artists, working with directors like David Lynch and Michael Bay. They discuss her breakthrough into high-fashion covers and editorial spreads, a pivotal move propelled by Grace Coddington, and her successful leap into entrepreneurship with the launch of her clean luxury beauty brand, Westman Atelier. Join

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68:44

From Vogue's Legendary Closet to Styling Stardom: The...

Going Rogue ·

2025/10/03

Jill welcomes the always charming Brian Coats, affectionately known as "the boy in the closet," for an intimate conversation about his remarkable journey through fashion's most prestigious corridors.Brian's fashion odyssey began in 1996 as an assistant at Vogue Magazine, where he commanded the legendary fashion closet and collaborated with the incomparable Andre Leon Talley. Together, they unpack colorful behind-the-scenes tales from those formative years, from the infamous closet smoking incident

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117:07

From Mrs. Astor to Anna Wintour: Billy Norwich's New...

Going Rogue ·

2025/09/26

Step into the world of Billy Norwich in this second part of an intimate and expansive conversation with Jill. Billy reflects on his career spanning decades, including his work as a gossip columnist for the New York Daily News and the New York Post, and his editorial roles at Vogue and other prestigious publications. As someone uniquely positioned at the intersection of old New York and new New York society, Billy shares fascinating encounters with figures ranging from Mrs. Astor to Malcolm Forbes,

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114:36

Behind New York's Velvet Rope: An Intimate...

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2025/09/19

Jill sits down with the incomparable Billy Norwich for an intimate conversation about his remarkable 40-year reign chronicling New York society, from dishing gossip at the Daily News and Post to his glamorous two decades shaping stories at Vogue. Billy spills on his storytelling philosophy, shaped by Anna Wintour's advice to "edit your life" and his personal theory of the "anthropology of style." The conversation takes a very personal turn as Billy opens up about losing his father at nine and

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81:22

No Mood Boards, No Rules, Just Dick Page

Going Rogue ·

2025/09/12

Jill sits down with renowned makeup artist Dick Page, whose rebellious approach to beauty has left an indelible mark on fashion's visual landscape. Known for his mantra that "makeup should be fun, not a chore," Dick shares his unconventional philosophy that sees makeup as a creative canvas rather than a corrective tool.Dick opens up about his unexpected beginnings—from fascination with the varying shades of red he observed working in a slaughterhouse as a teenager, to his journey through London's

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86:55

From Met Gala to Vogue: Edward Barsamian's Celebrity...

Going Rogue ·

2025/09/05

Jill sits down with her friend and colleague Edward Barsamian to explore his fascinating decade-long journey through fashion media. Edward shares stories from his impressive career path, starting as a style director at Vogue where he closely followed airport looks and red carpet appearances of stars like Amal Clooney and Zoe Kravitz, then moving into the digital world of celebrity fashion coverage.The conversation covers Edward's early Vogue years, his time at Gilt Group and The New York Times

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86:23

Rebel with a Cause: Christiaan, The Hairstylist Who...

Going Rogue ·

2025/08/29

Jill sits with Christiaan, the legendary hairstylist who has shaped the beauty industry for over five decades. Known for creating iconic looks including Debbie Harry's signature shag and Grace Jones' striking flat top, Christiaan is also credited with inventing the revolutionary undercut years before it became mainstream. His distinguished career includes collaborations with renowned photographers Arthur Elgort, Peter Lindbergh, Richard Avedon, Irving Penn, and Mario Testino, while styling

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121:10

Capturing Iconic Moments: A Conversation with Mark...

Going Rogue ·

2025/08/22

Jill sits down with legendary photographer Mark Seliger to hear how he went from small-town Amarillo, Texas, to defining rock and roll imagery for an entire generation. As Rolling Stone's chief photographer for a decade, Mark shot an incredible 188 covers and opens up about his tricks for catching those real, unguarded moments that make his photos so striking. He talks about making the leap to New York City in 1984, the photographer friends who helped him along the way, and landing those

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