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Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein

In-depth interview podcast with leading corporate governance experts, including world-class founders, scholars, board members, executives, investors and more. The content is structured as a long-form conversation to explore not only the latest corporate governance trends, but also to get some personal insights from some of the best and brightest minds behind America"s boardrooms.

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01:00:39

Lisa Shalett: "We Are in a High Velocity Environment...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/08/14

0:00 -- Intro.1:21 -- Start of interview.2:10 -- Lisa's "origin story" 2:59 -- Her connection to Japan.6:29 -- Her experience in investing banking, mostly with Goldman Sachs (20-year career).15:55 -- On her board journey, and the distinctions between serving on private (VC or PE backed) and public boards.19:57 -- On Extraordinary Women on Boards, the organization she co-founded in 2017 to amplify the impact of women inside boardrooms and beyond. "To be clear, I did not set out to start an

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01:02:32

Benjamin Means and Douglas Moll: Governance in...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/07/24

0:00 -- Intro.1:38 -- Start of interview.2:31 -- Benjamin Mean's "origin story." He is a Professor of Law and the John T. Campbell Chair in Business and Professional Ethics at the University of South Carolina School of Law.4:14 -- On family businesses, legal education and the Family and Small Business Program at the University of South Carolina School of Law.5:55 -- Douglas Moll's "origin story." He is the Beirne, Maynard & Parsons, L.L.P. Professor of Law at the University of Houston Law

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01:01:10

Cynthia Jamison: "In this Downturn Boards Should...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/07/17

0:00 -- Intro.1:09 -- Start of interview.1:37 -- Cindie's "origin story."3:41 -- On her executive career before joining boards.5:31 -- On her turnaround CFO career. Joining Tatum, an executive services firm, and her CFO turnaround/crisis practice. 15:14-- Her transition to public company board service. Her first board role in 2003 with Horizon Organic Holdings (based in Denver, CO). "The CEO wanted a financial expert and a mom in the boardroom." Her second board, also in 2003, was with Tractor

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00:54:11

Alicia Syrett: "The Chair Should Focus the Agenda...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/07/10

0:00 -- Intro.1:18 -- Start of interview.1:53 -- Alicia's "origin story" and her career in finance and search/recruiting industry.4:52 -- Her role founding investment firms. She was the first employee and CAO at Mount Kellett Capital Management and founded Pantegrion Capital, an investment vehicle focused on seed and early stage investments. 7:02 -- Her journey in the corporate board world. She's now the Chair at Digimarc (Nasdaq: DMRC).8:11 -- On the distinctions between private and public

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01:14:03

HBO’s Succession “The Dumpster Fire Pirate Death...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/06/26

0:00 -- Intro. *Note: you can check out our analysis of Succession's first season in E98 of this podcast (published on May 22nd, 2023).1:43 -- Start of interview.4:03 -- Governance challenges to family-owned companies.5:50 -- On Kendall's car accident and legal implications. Issues of corporate wellness, mental issues and drug-use. *Story on Tyson Foods' CFO.10:55 -- Waystar’s response to “bear hug” offer from Maysberry. “I saw their plan, but my father's was better.” On disclosure process and

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00:48:17

Georgia Stewart: On Stewardship, Pass-Through Voting...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/06/19

0:00 -- Intro.1:16 -- Start of interview.1:55 -- Georgia's "origin story". 2:42 -- The founding story of her company Tumelo.5:37 -- On their differentiation with the divestment movement. Referenced: ShareAction, AMNT.8:01-- On her role as a member of Aviva's Independent Governance Committee.10:15 -- On the rise of institutional investors and their impact on corporate governance, along with concentration of power. Reference to E89 with Jan Van Eck: "Some Index Fund Companies Have Become Too Large To

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01:26:36

Leo E. Strine, Jr.: Good Corporate Citizenship We Can...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/06/05

0:00 -- Intro.3:45 -- Start of interview.5:09 -- Leo's "origin story". His focus on public service, and work for then Delaware Governor (now U.S. Senator) Tom Carper.9:41 -- On his time at Skadden's Wilmington office.11:52 -- On his time at the Delaware Court of Chancery and as Chief Justice of the Delaware Supreme Court. 15:32-- His views on the evolution (and strengths) of the Delaware Court of Chancery. Its symbiosis with the SEC. "The courts in Delaware are not infected by partisanship." "Our

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00:57:41

Barrett Cohn: "Companies Now Stay Private Long."

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/05/30

0:00 -- Intro.1:30 -- Start of interview.2:12 -- Barrett's "origin story".6:11 -- His start in finance. First in Stone & Youngberg then in Lehman Brothers in SF. His first secondary market transactions in private company stock (Facebook) in 2007.8:54-- His experience working at SVB (internship with wine finance team) and Lehman Brothers (business development).12:10 -- The early days of secondary market transactions for private company stock with SecondMarket, later acquired by Nasdaq in 2015 (now

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01:07:02

Kate O'Leary: HBO's Succession from the Perspective...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/05/22

0:00 -- Intro.1:38 -- Start of interview.3:23 -- Kate's origin story and her professional background.4:54 -- About the ESG & Law Institute led by David Curran from Paul Weiss (Kate serves as an advisory board member).7:08 -- Premise of HBO's Succession show. "It's a show about power dynamics. But it's also a show about governance, and how power is or not constrained in the corporate world, the political world and within a family." "It is also a show about governance, which should operate as a

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01:20:52

Dan Siciliano: The Banking Crisis and Governance...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/05/15

0:00 -- Intro.1:41 -- Start of interview.2:58 -- On current market conditions. Impact of interest rate hikes by the Federal Reserve, particularly on banks.3:35 -- The gap between news coverage, what people think is happening and what actually is happening on the ground. The example of First Republic.15:37-- How 'bank runs' have changed. The Meme Run. "A meme is a first impression decision-making instrument."18:43 -- The media/general confusion over regulatory/supervisory agencies overseeing banks

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01:00:48

Bethany Mayer: On Cybersecurity Governance, Risk and...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/05/08

0:00 -- Intro.1:35 -- Start of interview.2:15 -- Bethany's "origin story".3:35 -- Her experience working at Lockheed Martin.5:55-- Her transition to Apple Computer, Cisco, startups in networking technologies and Blue Coat.8:17 -- Her time at HP, where ended running the Networking division.8:55 -- Her role as CEO of Ixia (later sold to Keysight Technologies for $1.6bn in 2017)10:17 -- On her board journey. Her first public company experience with Ixia, under the mentorship of Chairman Errol

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01:01:27

Karen Francis: "An Effective Lead Director Needs to...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/05/01

0:00 -- Intro.2:00 -- Start of interview.2:28 -- Karen's "origin story".3:24 -- Her management career at Procter & Gamble, Bain & Co (focusing on property and casualty insurance), Berol, GM, ICG and Ford (where she led the Corporate Venture Capital Group).11:12 -- Her transition to SF/Bay Area and tech as CEO of Publicis & Hal Riney and AcademixDirect.13:23 -- Distinctions between operating in startups and public companies.14:20 -- On her board journey:Past board positions: portfolio companies from

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00:59:34

Alan Jagolinzer: "Having a Holistic Approach to...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/04/24

0:00 -- Intro.1:35 -- Start of interview.2:05 -- Alan's "origin story".2:43 -- On his background as a U.S. Air Force pilot.4:42 -- On the evolution of his academic career, including at and Stanford GSB and U. of Colorado Boulder.7:01 -- On his Professorship at Cambridge Judge Business School and his role as Co-Director of the Centre for Financial Reporting and Accountability.9:16 -- About the Cambridge Disinformation Summit, on July 27-28, 2023. "I would characterize fraud and greenwashing as

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01:00:05

Penny Herscher: "The Chair of the Board has to...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/04/17

0:00 -- Intro.1:35 -- Start of interview.2:05 -- Penny's "origin story".3:38 -- Her experience as CEO of Simplex including its IPO (2001) and later sale (2002).6:32 -- Her experience as CEO of FirstRain.7:57 -- On her board journey. Public boards (past and present): Rambus, JDSU, Faurecia (France), Lumentum, Smart Global, Forvia, Embarck Trucks. Private tech software company boards: Delphix and Modern Health.9:17 -- On distinctions between private and public boards. "A private VC-backed board is

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00:59:31

Paul Washington: "The Roles of the Board in the Era...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/04/10

0:00 -- Intro.2:00 -- Start of interview.2:36 -- Paul's "origin story".4:13 -- On the SVB collapse and current banking crisis.8:04 -- On his time as a senior executive and corporate secretary at Time Warner (20 years).11:28 -- About The Conference Board (founded in 1916) and his role as the Executive Director of its ESG Center (founded in 2019).14:15 -- About their recent article “The Roles of the Board in the Era of ESG and Stakeholder Capitalism” (Feb, 2023). Focus on "the whom" (stakeholders) and

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00:59:28

Stephen Bainbridge: "The Profit Motive: Defending...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/04/03

0:00 -- Intro.1:35 -- Start of interview.4:35 -- About his new book "The Profit Motive, Defending Shareholder Value Maximization" (2023). He wrote it to offer context for the current debate about corporate purpose and ESG. He argues that shareholder value maximization is not only required by law, but what the law ought to require.9:23 -- His take on why we should care about corporate purpose.13:54 -- The legal arguments and foundation for directors' duties to maximize shareholder value. 16:26 -- On

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00:52:29

Lawrence Cunningham: "Amid Heightened Uncertainty,...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/03/27

0:00 -- Intro.1:51 -- Start of interview.2:44 -- On Larry's move from academia to private practice as Special Counsel in Mayer Brown’s New York office. His writings in Mayer Brown's Across the Board's blog.4:58 -- His message at the 37th Annual Francis G. Pileggi Distinguished Lecture in Law at Delaware Law School to the state’s corporate bench and bar. 9:02 -- Shareholder Typologies and demographics (long/short term, low/high conviction): Indexers, Transients, Activists and Quality

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01:00:29

Jan Van Eck: "Some Index Fund Companies Have Become...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/03/06

0:00 -- Intro.1:36 -- Start of interview.2:22 -- Jan's "origin story".6:34 -- On the background of the investment firm Van Eck, founded by his father John Van Eck in 1955.10:32 -- About Van Eck today (~$75 billion in AUM, 90% in ETFs). Jan started the ETF business in 2006.11:45 -- About his article "ESG Died in 2022: CEO Op-Ed." The problem of concentration of power by the big three (BlackRock, Vanguard and SSGA). Reference to the article: Bogle Sounds a Warning on Index Funds (WSJ, 2018).18:05 --

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01:08:35

George Dallas and Mike Lubrano: Governance,...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/02/27

0:00 -- Intro.1:38 -- Start of interview.2:56 -- George's "origin story." He's based in London since 1988. About his new role at the European Corporate Governance Institute (ECGI).7:24 -- Mike's "origin story." On his experience with ADRs and cross-listings with Latin American companies. His experience working at NYC and Mexican law firms, the World Bank, the International Finance Corporation (IFC), OECD-Latin America Roundtable on Corporate Governance and Cartica Management.15:52 -- On the origin

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01:05:58

Ann Lipton: "The Twitter v. Musk Case is both a...

Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein ·

2023/02/21

0:00 -- Intro.1:47 -- Start of interview.2:19 -- Ann's "origin story". 4:10 -- Her background working with plaintiff law firms, and how that experienced has informed her scholarship.7:02 -- Take-aways from the Twitter v Musk case, the "trial of the century that wasn't." "The broader lesson for me is that it's both a vindication and a condemnation of corporate law":Vindication: The outcome should not have been in doubt (for any expert in that area of law). Musk's case was extremely weak. It's thus a

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