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The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage & Bodywork Profession

Associated Bodywork & Massage Professionals

Our goal is to speak with luminaries and experts in and around massage and bodywork to help expound upon and better understand our profession and our practices.

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Ep 420 – Gainful Employment (and the 100% rule) with...

The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage &... ·

2024/02/27

The Gainful Employment rules that were released in October 2023 will likely impact clock-hour programs in states with minimum clock-hour requirements for licensure or certification, including massage therapy. Les Sweeney, president and CEO of ABMP, is joined by Lance Hostetter, director of government relations, to explain the 100% rule, the flaws within the rule, and potential advocacy steps schools may wish to pursue. They also speak briefly about the Interstate Massage Compact and how it improves

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14:06

Ep 419 – How to Pay Yourself in Your Massage...

The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage &... ·

2024/02/23

“How do I pay myself?” is a very common question from massage business owners. Business or Pressure host Allissa Haines works through the theory and the methods for paying yourself first in your business. Resources: You Need a Budget: https://www.ynab.com/ Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner and columnist for Massage & Bodywork magazine. You can find her building a community of massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com/community. Author links:

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20:21

Ep 418 – Neurostorming: “I Have a Client Who . . .”...

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2024/02/20

A young client is comatose after a series of ischemic strokes. They have frequent painful episodes of paroxysmal sympathetic hyperactivity, during which their muscles become spastic and their heart rate and blood pressure rise. Their palliative care team wonders if massage therapy might help the contractures of their limbs, and the massage therapist is willing to try . . . but the results are unexpected. Resources: Neurostorming: Causes, Signs, Risks, and Treatment (2022) NewGait. Available at:

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14:32

Ep 417 - Why Do You Even (Self) Care? “The Rebel MT”...

The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage &... ·

2024/02/13

What if self-care isn’t about caring for the self but more about caring ABOUT the self? This is the self-care episode. In this episode, Allison defines the anatomy of care and what it means for you, your practice, and your clients. Host:                  Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com            Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com                    Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials at

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12:44

Ep 416 – The 4 Numbers to Know in Your Massage...

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2024/02/09

Knowing where you are in your business is crucial to knowing how your business can grow. Host Allissa Haines discusses the four numbers to know to consider the sustainability of your business. Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner and columnist for Massage & Bodywork magazine. You can find her building a community of massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com/community. Author links: Website: www.deepbreathdigital.com/community Instagram:

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Ep 415 - SEEING Anatomy: Your Practice in 3D with...

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2024/02/06

For most of us, seeing anatomy is the first step to understanding it. And anatomy understanding is an essential element of being a bodyworker. In this first episode of the three-part series “Your Practice in 3D,” we discuss the challenges of seeing the body in three dimensions and why so many massage therapists are heading to the dissection lab to study. Resources: Show Highlights: www.abmp.com/anatomy NYT Articles:

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34:08

Ep 414 – The Science of Life with Dr. Sheila Patel...

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2024/01/30

Ayurveda is translated as the “Science of Life;” Ayus = Life, and Veda = knowledge/science. These principles and treatment modalities have endured over time. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Angie speaks with Dr. Sheila Patel, chief medical officer for Chopra Global, about exploring each person’s Dosha type, the difference (and similarities) between yoga, meditation, and Ayurveda, how to clean up habits in the new year, and where listeners can learn their own unique Dosha type. Dr Sheila

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13:33

Ep 413 – Why Should I Care About Bookkeeping?:...

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2024/01/26

Bookkeeping is the financial heart of every business. In this episode of Business or Pressure, host Allissa Haines covers why it matters and how to get started. Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner and columnist for Massage & Bodywork magazine. You can find her building a community of massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com/community. Author links: Website: www.deepbreathdigital.com/community Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deepbreathcommunity/

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20:32

Ep 412 – Factor Five: “I Have a Client Who . . .”...

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2024/01/23

Blood clots, legitimate concern about blood clots, and well-honed knowledge about blood clots are all part of our profession’s requirements for safe practice, right? And over the years I’ve been doing I Have a Client Who . . ., I’ve received dozens of stories about blood clots in one context or another. Today, we’ll look at yet another: a condition called Factor Five Leiden. Resources: Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app CE class, "A Doctor's Note is Not

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15:43

Ep 411 -The Sticky Truth about Respiration and...

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2024/01/16

Breath is powerful for a lot of reasons. But if we get down to the sticky details about the lungs, the important components of our soft tissue and how they interact, we could make a lot of comparisons to how this is similar to our abilities of resolution. In this episode of The Rebel MT, Allison does just that. Respiration and resolution, it turns out, have a lot in common. Host:                  Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com            Allison’s

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Ep 410 – Balancing a Career and Uncompensated...

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2024/01/12

Women are often the primary caregivers in a household and extended families, and this can have a huge impact on our long-term financial health. In this episode of Business or Pressure, Allissa discusses some factors to consider in balancing personal and professional needs. Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner and columnist for Massage & Bodywork magazine. You can find her building a community of massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com/community. Author

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26:18

Ep 409 – Touch as a Form of Validation with Doug Nelson

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2024/01/09

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Doug Nelson speaks about invalidation with clients, connection and the shared human condition, and the difference between validation and reassurance. Host: Douglas Nelson is Board Certified in Massage Therapy and Therapeutic Bodywork, beginning his career in massage therapy in 1977. Seeing over 1,200 client visits annually for decades, he is also the owner of BodyWork Associates, a massage therapy clinic in Champaign, IL. with 21 therapists that was

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29:25

Ep 408 – The Importance of a Regulated Nervous System...

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2024/01/02

It’s a new year, and Darren Buford is joined again by Amy Andrews McMaster to discuss how a regulated nervous system is essential to having a brave conversation, some of the causes of a dysregulated nervous system, and how self-regulation plays an important role in a massage therapist’s career. Amy Andrews McMaster is a leadership coach, consultant, and workshop facilitator. She has worked with school leaders in Denver, Aurora, Douglas County, Los Angeles Unified, the University of Colorado,

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Ep 407 – Your Cancellation Policy Is Your Business:...

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2023/12/22

A cancellation policy is standard for service businesses. But what should it be? Business or Pressure host Allissa Haines provides plenty of ideas and options to craft the policy that best suits you. Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist, business owner, and columnist for Massage & Bodywork magazine. You can find her building a community of massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com/community. Author links: Website: www.deepbreathdigital.com/community Instagram:

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Ep 406 - Low-Back Pain: Our Event Horizon: “The Rebel...

The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage &... ·

2023/12/21

The low back has, oh, so many parts and, oh, so many possibilities for both function and dysfunction. For this episode of The Rebel MT, Allison compares the low back to silly putty, a flower, a puppet master, and deep space. In any instance, getting to know this event horizon of our anatomy is the key to helping clients whose low back has morphed into a black hole. Host:                  Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com            Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com

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Ep 405 – Wolfe Parkinson White Syndrome, or How to...

The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage &... ·

2023/12/15

A client has a rare condition that might impact her ability to receive massage. A brief look shows no special cautions, but a deeper look reveals some important questions to ask. In this episode Ruth takes listeners along for the treasure hunt for useful information—not just for Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome, but for your future use when you have a client with a condition you’ve never heard of. Sponsors:  Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com   Host Bio:

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08:08

Ep 404 – What’s in Store for 2024? Big Change!

The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage &... ·

2023/12/12

It’s been another great year of The ABMP Podcast, and we are gearing up for 2024! Some big changes are coming, and Kristin and Darren are here to give thanks to our fabulous listeners and share insights on what those changes will look like in the new year. Hosts: Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and

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Ep 403 – How to Improve Your Massage in Less Than 30...

The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage &... ·

2023/12/08

It only takes a few minutes to learn something new, or just try something different in your hands-on work. In this episode of Business or Pressure, host Allissa Haines walks through some ideas to avoid stagnation in the massage room. Resources: The Rebel MT podcast: https://www.abmp.com/podcasts/ep-370-splenii-muscles-under-influence-rebel-mt-allison-denney Derryberry Massage: https://www.derryberrymassage.com/yoga Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner and

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29:00

Ep 402 – Hands of Gold with Melissa Strautman

The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage &... ·

2023/12/05

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren are joined by Melissa Strautman, winner of the gold medal for Swedish massage at the International Association of Massage’s World Championship, where she competed against 56 therapists from 50 countries. Strautman, who also won silver for facial massage in the 2023 American Massage Championship and gold for Swedish massage in the 2022 American Massage Championship, speaks about her experience in this competitive arena, what drew her to start

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15:35

Ep 401 – Fibroid Tumors: “I Have a Client Who . . .”...

The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage &... ·

2023/12/01

A client wants to know if massage will help with their uterine fibroids? How can we answer this question? What does “help” mean? What are their goals? What does the research say? Spoiler: the research, while thin, holds some surprises. Sponsors:  Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com   Host Bio:                   Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to

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