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Ep 598 – When a Client Doesn't Actually Want to Heal:...

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2026/10/06

In bodywork, recognizing when a client is stuck in a pain pattern because they don't know what they don't know can be an important part of working effectively. But what happens when a client is aware they're stuck and, consciously or not, is comfortable staying there, even if it means continuing to experience pain? Host Bio:         Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com      Allison's website: www.rebelmassage.com          Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified

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23:11

Ep 597 – Meet the Researchers: Word Matters with Anna...

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2026/09/29

Release. Adhesions. Breaking things up. Some of the words we use every day in massage make claims we can't always back up. But what if being honest about what we don't know made our work more credible, not less? In this Meet the Researchers episode, Rachelle talks with Dr. Anna Gabriel, a physiotherapist and fascia researcher studying non-local effects—how an intervention at the foot can create measurable changes elsewhere along the posterior chain. But observing a change isn't the same as knowing

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18:06

Ep 596 – The Pain in Procrastination: "Fully Booked"...

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2026/09/25

Is procrastination really the problem, or is it trying to tell us something? In this episode of Fully Booked, Elicia Crook explores four common reasons we put things off and how asking better questions can help us move forward. From feeling overwhelmed to recognizing when a task should be delegated or eliminated altogether, discover why procrastination might be useful information rather than something we need to fight. Host: Elicia Crook is a business coach and mentor for massage therapists, sharing

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17:56

Ep 595 – Our Moment with Doug Nelson

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2026/09/22

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Doug Nelson explores why this may be a defining moment for the massage therapy profession. From the growing impact of chronic pain to increased interest from the medical community, Doug examines the unique role massage therapists can play in helping people in pain. Host: Douglas Nelson is Board Certified in Massage Therapy and Therapeutic Bodywork, beginning his career in massage therapy in 1977. Seeing over 1,200 client visits annually for decades, he is

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Ep 594 – Deeper than the Skin: "I Have a Client Who ....

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2026/09/15

An unusual tattoo triggers a strong reaction in a massage therapist, leaving the practitioner unsure whether they can work with the client again. What is a specific phobia, and how can it affect our work? And what happens when the reaction isn't tied to a traditional phobia but to other triggering symbols? Ethics meets pathology in this edition of IHACW. Resources: Touching the Mind: Mental and Mood Disorders for Massage Therapists 3 CE credits, available here. Garcia, R. (2017) "Neurobiology of

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20:40

Ep 593 – Perfection is Where We Hide: "Fully Booked"...

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2026/09/11

In this episode of Fully Booked, Elicia Crook explores what Brené Brown's Daring Greatly can teach massage therapists about running a business. She looks at vulnerability, perfectionism, boundaries, and the courage it takes to put yourself and your work out into the world. Host: Elicia Crook is a business coach and mentor for massage therapists, sharing the tactics she used to create her business success over 16 years. She is a diploma-qualified remedial massage therapist, using modalities such as

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11:27

Ep 592 – Talk Less. Ask Better: "The Rebel MT" with...

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2026/09/08

There's a debate in the manual therapy world about which is better: talking or staying silent during a session. But neither approach, when done on autopilot, actually helps a client in pain. In this episode of The Rebel MT, Allison breaks down how effective communication can change the game and why the words you choose are key, not only to your client's healing but also to your confidence as a practitioner. Host Bio:         Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com      Allison's

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Ep 591 – Creative Kinesiology with Whitney Lowe

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2026/09/01

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Whitney Lowe explores how massage therapists can move beyond rote memorization and begin applying kinesiology in a more practical, creative way. Whitney covers force vectors, muscle contractions, movement patterns, and assessment strategies that can help practitioners better understand pain and dysfunction. Resources: Join us at the ABMP CE Summit! Tuesday, October 27th, 2026. This online event—including 3 hours of CE—is FREE for everyone in the profession

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Ep 590 – Take the Weird Out of Selling: "Fully...

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2026/08/28

Selling products doesn't have to feel awkward or salesy. In this episode of Fully Booked, Elicia Crook shares simple strategies for recommending products you genuinely use, love, and believe can help your clients. Host: Elicia Crook is a business coach and mentor for massage therapists, sharing the tactics she used to create her business success over 16 years. She is a diploma-qualified remedial massage therapist, using modalities such as Bowen and craniosacral therapy, and has a Cert IV in

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Ep 589 – Do No Harm: What Massage Schools Need to Know

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2026/08/21

The Department of Education's "Do No Harm" rules have sparked important conversations throughout the massage profession. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, ABMP Government Relations Director Laura Puryear and higher education attorney Aaron Lacey explain what these regulatory changes mean for massage schools, Title IV funding, and the future of professional education. Sponsors: Upledger CranioSacral Therapy addresses deep restrictions, supports neurological and fascial systems, and enhances

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33:07

Ep 588 – Beyond the Tissue: Trauma-Informed Care with...

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2026/08/18

Trauma can show up on the massage table in ways practitioners may not expect. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Angie Parris is joined by Upledger Institute instructors Catherine Whelan, Eric Moya, and Natalie Bledstein to explore what it means to be trauma-informed and how that differs from providing trauma-specific care. They discuss recognizing when a client may be moving outside their window of tolerance, the importance of consent and communication, and practical ways to help clients stay

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Ep 587 – Maximizing Every Workshop: "Fully Booked"...

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2026/08/14

Would you like to get the absolute most out of every workshop you attend? What helps us retain information? And more importantly, how do we take all those incredible things we learn and put them into practice when we get home? Learning something is one thing. Doing something with it is where the magic happens. And that's exactly what I'm going to share with you in this episode. Host: Elicia Crook is a business coach and mentor for massage therapists, sharing the tactics she used to create her

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Ep 586 – Interview with Dr. Armpit, Part 2: "I Have a...

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2026/08/11

In Part 2 of this conversation, Dr. Callewaert shares what he learned while visiting the Yanomami people of Brazil, including surprising observations about body odor and skin cancer. We also explore his work developing products to rebalance the armpit microbiome, the science of foot odor, and the potential benefits of walking barefoot in the grass. The big takeaway: Body odor is a problem that can often be addressed, but the stigma surrounding it can make conversations difficult. Massage therapists

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Ep 585 – The Pec Minor Is a Weirdo: "The Rebel MT"...

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2026/08/04

The pectoralis minor is weird in all the best ways. It is a minor player in the shoulder world in much the same way a minor chord can change the entire feel of a song. Give Radiohead's "Creep" a listen, then queue up this episode, sit back, and discover why weird—in both music and anatomy—is so beautiful. Host Bio:         Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com      Allison's website: www.rebelmassage.com          Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can

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Ep 584 – Reliance to Interdependence: "Fully Booked"...

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2026/07/31

One of the things I've been thinking about lately is the idea of independence versus interdependence. As business owners, especially in the massage and wellness industry, we often celebrate independence. In fact, for many of us, independence was the reason we started our businesses in the first place. We wanted freedom: freedom from a boss, freedom from being told when we could take holidays, and freedom to choose our clients, our hours, our pricing, and our direction. Independence is incredibly

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Ep 583 – Meet the Researchers: Hormones and Fascia...

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2026/07/28

Meet the researchers! Rachelle and Nicole continue in this series of conversations with fascia researchers from around the globe. Hormones are talking to the cells that build our fascia. In this episode, researcher Dr. Katja Bartsch of Munich, Germany shares how she's been listening in on that conversation and tells us what it means for the women on our massage tables. Dr. Bartsch is exploring an emerging and under-studied question in her research: how do female hormones — and the drop in estrogen

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22:32

Ep 582 – The Power of Great Advice with Kristin Coverly

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2026/07/21

Join Kristin Coverly as she speaks with guests Cal Cates, Dr. Joi Edwards, and Doug Nelson about the best piece of advice they've received and how it impacted their lives. Resources: ABMP Education Center: https://www.abmp.com/learn/ "Rising Strong" by Brene Brown: https://brenebrown.com/book/rising-strong/ Host: Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support

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Ep 581 – Creating a Culture by Design: "Fully Booked"...

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2026/07/17

In this episode of Fully Booked, Elicia explores the ESIP Framework—Environment, Structure, Implementation, and People—and how these four elements work together to create a thriving, intentional workplace culture. Elicia explains how clear purpose, effective systems, consistent execution, and aligned people can strengthen accountability, improve performance, and help your business grow by design rather than by default. Host: Elicia Crook is a business coach and mentor for massage therapists, sharing

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21:46

Ep 580 – Interview with Dr. Armpit, Part 1: "I Have a...

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2026/07/14

Ruth interviews Dr. Chris Callewaert, also known as Dr. Armpit, about his research into the microbiomes that contribute to body odor (BO). Although his work focuses on the skin of the armpits, his findings also apply to foot odor and even bad breath. In Part 1, we meet Dr. Callewaert and learn what led him to this career—spoiler alert: it involved a sleepover. We discuss the differences between "good" and "bad" body odor, how BO is classified, why it is a concern, and how it can affect a person's

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Ep 579 – Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome and Bodywork: "The...

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2026/07/07

In this episode of The Rebel MT, Allison reflects on a session she had as a newbie therapist that shaped how she approaches anatomy, particularly in relation to Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (EDS). She explores what bodyworkers need to know about EDS, what interventions can be meaningfully helpful, and why the lessons learned from early mistakes can become some of our greatest strengths. Host Bio:         Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com            Allison's

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