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The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage & Bodywork Profession

Associated Bodywork & Massage Professionals

Our goal is to speak with luminaries and experts in and around massage and bodywork to help expound upon and better understand our profession and our practices.

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Ep 539 – Thinking In Systems Not Symptoms with Doug...

The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage &... ·

2025/11/11

In integrated and interrelated systems, small effects cascade to become much larger forces over time. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Doug Nelson asks if there is more of an integrated and interrelated system than the human body? Host: Douglas Nelson is Board Certified in Massage Therapy and Therapeutic Bodywork, beginning his career in massage therapy in 1977. Seeing over 1,200 client visits annually for decades, he is also the owner of BodyWork Associates, a massage therapy clinic in

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09:02

Ep 538 – Big Picture Guidance: "Business or Pressure"...

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2025/11/07

In her final Business or Pressure episode, Allissa shares some of the big-picture guidance that has helped her make better decisions in her businesses. Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner. You can find her building websites and coaching massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com. Author links: Website: www.deepbreathdigital.com Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/purepromassageproducts Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/purepromassageproducts/

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15:45

Ep 537 – Vagus Nerve Stimulator: "I Have a Client Who...

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2025/11/04

A simple question turned into a deep dive, and I learned a ton along the way! A client has an implanted vagus nerve stimulator. Now what? In this episode of I Have a Client Who . . ., Ruth explore's how vagus nerve stimulators work, why they're used, and the precautions massage therapists should consider. Plus, we discuss the exciting possibilities these devices hold for a wide range of treatments. Resources: Ben-Menachem, E. (2001) "Vagus nerve stimulation, side effects, and long-term safety,"

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14:24

Ep 536 – The Price of Deep Tissue: "The...

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2025/10/28

This month mark's my 25th anniversary of being a massage therapist. In my 25 years, I have developed some opinions about definitions. In this episode of The Rebel MT, I am breaking down the cost of deep tissue therapy, calling out who is paying the price, and analyzing how we need to rethink things. Not just for our clients, but for the sake of a long and awesome career. Host Bio:         Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com            Allison's website: www.rebelmassage.com

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10:45

Ep 535 – Tasks and Lists in Your Massage Business:...

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2025/10/24

It’s easy to skip some of the less-than-daily tasks that need to be handled in a small business. In this episode of Business or Pressure, Allissa Haines walks you through some common tasks and universal lists. Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner. You can find her building websites and coaching massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com. Links: Website: www.deepbreathdigital.com Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/purepromassageproducts Instagram:

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20:07

Ep 534 – Massage Therapy and Physical Therapy: An...

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2025/10/21

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Darren and Kristin are joined by Doug Nelson to discuss how collaboration between MTs and PTs can accelerate client outcomes and strengthen the continuum of care. Doug shares how to navigate professional boundaries, build effective communication systems, and offers practical advice for massage therapists looking to establish stronger referral relationships as well as the importance of a shared language between disciplines. Resources: Douglas Nelson is Board

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25:25

Ep 533 – The Collagen Matrix with Rachelle Clauson...

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2025/10/14

Collagen is everywhere in the body. The 30 trillion cells that make up the human body are held together in a matrix of collagen fibers that provides structural support and gives the body its recognizable form. In this episode, Rachelle and Nicole explore all things collagen—asking if we are really "losing" it as we age, explaining its role as the body's "glue," and discussing why understanding this matrix is essential for massage therapists. You'll learn about the different types of collagen, how

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16:58

Ep 532 – Will This Budget Software Change My...

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2025/10/10

Allissa offers a reality check in using budget software and some tips to make a budget actually work for you. Resources: Annalisa Derryberry LMT: derryberrymassage.com Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner. You can find her building websites and coaching massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com. Author links: Website: www.deepbreathdigital.com

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Ep 531 – DVT + PE = VTE: “I Have a Client Who . . .”...

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2025/10/07

A client was prescribed oral birth control to help manage symptoms of perimenopause. The medication caused a deep vein thrombosis (DVT), which then caused a pulmonary embolism (PE). Altogether this forms a potentially deadly phenomenon called venous thromboembolism (VTE). She survived, and she’s fine. But here’s the thing: her PE was just two weeks ago, and she wants to receive deep massage to her neck, back, and shoulders. Yikes, right? Or maybe not? Listen in for some key decision points about

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12:40

Ep 530 – Deconstructing Adhesions: “The Rebel MT”...

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2025/09/30

Handling adhesions is not an easy task as a massage therapist. But sometimes taking notes from Dr. Frankenstein and the relationship he had with his monster can offer up a lot of insights. In this episode, Allison explores what it would be like if we could shift our approach, use a little pixie dust, and learn how to love a monster. Host Bio:         Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com            Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com                    Allison Denney is a certified

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27:03

Ep 529 – Business Structure Options for a Massage...

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2025/09/26

What’s a business entity and what’s a tax election? Allissa walks through the simplest options for business structure as a small massage therapy business. Resources: Meg Donnelly, NoVA Weekend Warriors, Owner and Licensed Massage Therapist https://www.novaweekendwarriors.com/contact/ Organizing around Massage Regulation: Local Advocacy Playbook for LMTs Compiled by Casey White, LMT & Meg Donnelly LMT https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-qyKLy_eMwz-Vvb_FyfhH0F3Xjgs3YEv/view?usp=sharing

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23:22

Ep 528 - Beyond the Table with Angie Parris and...

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2025/09/23

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Angie welcomes Melanie Burns, CEO of Anatomy Trains and director in Europe and the UK. Melanie shares her inspiring journey to Ukraine, where she volunteered to train manual therapists working with soldiers recovering from war injuries, including amputations and head trauma. With a unique background that bridges psychology, massage therapy, yoga, and international business, Melanie reflects on the cultural challenges, personal rewards, and professional growth

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Ep 527 – Bidirectionality with Doug Nelson

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2025/09/16

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Doug Nelson explores the concept of bidirectionality - the mutual and reciprocal influence where each factor shapes the other. He discusses how physiological changes during a session affect both client and therapist, and how moments of shared connection and humanity remind us of the profound healing power of touch. Host: Douglas Nelson is Board Certified in Massage Therapy and Therapeutic Bodywork, beginning his career in massage therapy in 1977. Seeing

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25:59

Ep 526 – Unlocking the Full Potential of Your...

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2025/09/12

Massage therapists give so much to others yet often lack the tools to feel financially secure. Qnity helps change that. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, president and CEO Les Sweeney speaks with Erin Kuhn Bhansali, president/partner of Qnity & Qnity for Schools, about ABMP’s partnership with Qnity, which allows members to gain access to practical, easy-to-follow financial literacy programs designed for massage professionals at every stage of their career. Resources:

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Ep 525 – Self Defense for Massage Therapists: “I Have...

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2025/09/09

Teresa Matthews is a nationally accredited massage therapy continuing education provider, a massage school owner, an athlete and personal trainer, and now… a published author. Her new book, Self Defense for Massage Therapists is now available and—in my opinion—should be considered a required topic in massage therapy beginning education. In this interview Teresa shares how this project developed, and her priorities for teaching massage therapists to be safe at all times. Resources: Amazon Link

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Ep 524 – The Anatomy of the Iris & Lessons from...

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2025/09/02

On a recent trip to Las Vegas and on a quest to find a good cup of coffee, I found myself staring at my own eyeball. It sent me down a rabbit hole of eyeball anatomy that I didn't even know I wanted to know. Turns out, I knew more than I thought I did. And my bet is you do too. Host Bio:         Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com      Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com           Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials

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17:56

Ep 523 – How to Measure Rebooking Rates: “Business or...

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2025/08/29

Can you keep clients coming back? Allissa Haines works through the math to calculate rebooking rates and offers some ideas to improve your rebooking experience. Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner. You can find her building websites and coaching massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com. Author links: Website: www.deepbreathdigital.com Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/purepromassageproducts Instagram:

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Ep 522 – The Art and Science of Clinical Reasoning...

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2025/08/26

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Whitney Lowe explores a systematic, creative approach to moving beyond basic routines, while confidently solving MT’s most challenging client cases. Host: Whitney Lowe is a known authority in the field of massage therapy, with a 36-year career marked by clinical work, research, publications, and teaching in advanced massage principles. He specializes in treating pain and injuries using massage and is one of the pioneers of the orthopedic massage approach

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Ep 521 – Be Strategic. Stay Professional. Keep...

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2025/08/19

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Darren and Kristin speak with Chris Curry about his massage therapy origin story and the journey that inspired him to guide future therapists. Chris also opens up about his experience competing in massage therapy competitions, including what he won and what he learned. Finally, he gives listeners five practical tips to elevate their next massage session, straight from an award-winning massage therapist. Resources: Chris Curry is an award-winning massage

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Ep 520 – Facility Policies: “I Have a Client Who . ....

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2025/08/12

A seasoned massage therapist has just started working at a prestigious facility where client intakes are only conducted on the fly, and nothing is documented. Almost immediately, two clients present with complex situations that could be made substantially worse by thoughtless massage. What to do? In this episode we explore this complex question. I have some thoughts from the massage side of the equation, and I also turned to an industry expert, Sherrie Tennessee, PhD, to help understand this from

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