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The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Jonathan Pageau looks at symbolism in all its forms, from its source in sacred stories and images to contemporary culture and ultimately how it shapes the world we encounter.

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310 - Annie Crawford - C.S. Lewis on Progress, AI,...

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2023/10/09

I had a great discussion with Annie Crawford. She’s written two wonderful articles for the Symbolic World Blog and is offering a course on C.S. Lewis’ Ransom Trilogy on the Symbolic World website. Check out our discussion about C.S. Lewis, AI, progress, gender, laughter, science, and the mystical.Sign up for Annie’s course on the C.S. Lewis Ransom Trilogy. If you sign up now you will get the recordings of the first 10 lessons. The remaining 5 lessons on That Hideous Strength will be every Friday at

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309 - Jacob Howland - Technological Cannibalism

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2023/10/03

I had an amazing discussion with Jacob Howland about the fundamental question of technology. We investigate from both the Biblical and ancient Greek perspectives what technology is and its effects on the human spirit. We discuss the notion of memory and recollection, Plato’s Phaedrus, the Biblical notion of garments of skin, ChatGPT and AI, work and leisure, technology’s effects on human capabilities, paganism and idolatry, intelligence, and “the matrix”, the internet, intuition, and much more.Jacob

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308 - Fr. Stephen De Young - Biblical Symbolism:...

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2023/09/22

Fr. Stephen De Young is writing an article for our upcoming publication, the Symbolic World Magazine, and he will also join us as a speaker for the Symbolic World Summit in February 2024. He is an amazing writer and speaker and has really helped me reach new heights in my understanding of Scripture.In this discussion we specifically discuss certain sexual and revolutionary symbolism in the Bible, starting with when Ham “uncovered” his father, Noah’s, “nakedness”. Understanding this is a key to

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307 - Gregg Hurwitz - The Search for Political Nuance

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2023/09/15

I sat down again with the American novelist and screenwriter, Gregg Hurwitz. Gregg was part of the Daily Wire+ Exodus series discussion panel with Jordan Peterson, so I thought it was a good time for us to talk about what we took away from those discussions, Exodus, Christianity, CS Lewis, the importance of ritual, temperance, and a nuanced approach to social matters.Previous discussions: - New Think - with Gregg Hurwitz: https://youtu.be/nR53MJd8VLI?si=AAIcbBjs4x1pHt9X- Patterns in Politics and

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306 - The Search for Participation in Contemporary Art

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2023/09/08

Apologies for the audio quality.In this lecture, I take you through contemporary art history and its desperate search for a proper means of participation in a desacralized world. This talk is a follow-up to a previous video I did, The End of Desacralization in Art. This time I want to explore with you some specifics on how contemporary art has to confront alienation, power dynamics, and the minimization of yet yearning for ritual, participation, and community.Original YouTube version of this

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305 - Richard Rohlin - How to Read Like a Medieval...

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2023/09/02

In this episode of the Universal History series, Richard Rohlin presents a talk about 4 things we must take into consideration in order to think like a pre-modern Christian. This is a primer for approaching old texts like Beowulf, the topic of our upcoming online course on the Symbolic World website.Original YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/CyJaaX60QKwTHE BEOWULF COURSELearn more: https://thesymbolicworld.com/news/the-beowulf-course-by-richard-rohlin-and-jonathan-pageauAlso, please

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304 - The Subtle Bodies of Angels

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2023/08/25

Many of the Church Fathers talk about the notion that angels have what we call "subtle bodies", that angels are not completely incorporeal (God only is completely incorporeal) but their bodies are also not circumscribed in flesh, but in mind.In this formerly patron video, I explain what the Church means with this description of angels and how it's something we can relate to in the general human experience.Original YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/MTuDl7o-1bEThe discussion with Rafe

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303 - Ted Lewis - The Technological Society

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2023/08/17

I sit down with Ted Lewis to discuss the work of Jacques Ellul and his views, on technology, Christianity, civilization, and transpersonal agency.Ted Lewis is Executive Director of the International Jacques Ellul Society.Full bio: https://restorativechurch.org/about-ted-lewis/International Jacques Ellul Society: https://ellul.org/The Ellul Forum: https://ellulforum.weebly.com/ Original YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/JIsypT45UVMList of books mentioned:- The Technological Society,

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302 - My Participation in a Worldwide Conspiracy

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2023/08/11

How conspiracies work. It's time to change how we think about conspiracies and get a more nuanced view. While secretive conspiracies also exist, many of them emerge quite spontaneously and openly according to incentives and common attention. You don't have to imagine top-down control at every level of operation for the conspiracy to still be in effect.Original YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/FLxU33EPJWkFollow my brother Matthieu Pageau on Twitter:

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301 - Aidan Hart - Transfiguration: The End of Symbolism

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2023/08/03

This is a discussion from the Princeton Scala Foundation conference that took place in April 2023 with the title, “The Transfiguration: Glory and Grace in the World”. I sat down with Margarita Mooney Clayton and iconographer and author Aidan Hart to discuss the Transfiguration of Christ, how God's glory fills the world, and that the ultimate goal of the spiritual life is encountering God face to face.Original YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/J3u9jWeA6BM- A previous discussion I had

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300 - The Role of Art in Identity - Princeton Scala...

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2023/07/28

This is a talk I gave in April at the Scala Foundation's April 2023 conference on Art, the Sacred, and the Common Good held at the Princeton Theological Seminary in Princeton, New Jersey. Featuring in-depth discussions with artists Jonathan Pageau, Aidan Hart, and Rifle Paper Company Co-Founder Anna Bond.In this talk, I address art and its relation to memory and identity, especially as applicable on the civil level. Public art forms part of and is a reflection o our common identity. I also discuss

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299 - Dr. Paula Boddington - A.I. Ethics

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2023/07/20

Paula Boddington returns to the channel for us to discuss new developments in artificial intelligence, ChatGPT, ethics, healthcare, the meaning of intelligence, and how AI is exposing how some of our current ways of doing things don’t work, and maybe they haven’t been working for a while.Paula Boddington is Associate Professor of Philosophy and Healthcare at the University of West London where she works with a research group concerned with the quality of care for hospital patients who are also

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298 - Mary Harrington - Conspiracies and the Return...

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2023/07/13

I had a wonderful discussion with writer Mary Harrington about conspiracies, myth and memes, the internet, artificial intelligence, and meaning-making.Mary Harrington is a columnist and editor for UnHerd and runs her own weekly Substack Reactionary Feminist. She's interested in the political and cultural side-effects of globalization, the replacement of class politics by identity politics, the joy of limits, and women’s rights in the biotech age, which is the subject of her first book, Feminism

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297 - Rumpelstiltskin: Credit and Resurrection

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2023/07/03

This is the last video in the fairy tale series I am making public from my patron archive. This fascinating fairy tale has a lot to tell us about money, power, credit, turning death into glory, and resurrection.Support our Snow White and the Widow Queen Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/symbolicworldpress/snow-white-and-the-widow-queenYouTube version: https://youtu.be/73Olkr2y45YRelated videos: - Credit, Interest and the Acceleration of Time: https://youtu.be/gYc3pi01TH0- Beauty and

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296 - The Meaning Behind the Princess and the Pea

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2023/06/28

This is the fourth video of a series of fairy tale analyses I did for my patrons a few years ago. I meditate on the meaning of the story of The Princess and the Pea.Support our Kickstarter for the Snow White storybook: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/symbolicworldpress/snow-white-and-the-widow-queenYouTube version: https://youtu.be/QRXNV_bQzWk

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295 - The Symbolism in Jack and the Beanstalk

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2023/06/26

This is the third video of a series of fairy tale analyses I did for my patrons a few years ago. I meditate on the meaning of the story of Jack and the Beanstalk and even how it relates to Jacob in the Old Testament of the Bible.Support our Kickstarter for the Snow White storybook: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/symbolicworldpress/snow-white-and-the-widow-queenYouTube version: https://youtu.be/pYo60wtDk28

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293 - Pricked by a Spindle - Symbolism in Sleeping...

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2023/06/20

This is the first of a series of videos I will release from my patron-only archive, analyzing symbolism in various fairy tales. We start with Sleeping Beauty and the meaning of being pricked by a spindle, how it might relate to a woman's cycle, sexuality, and broader patterns of change. I also give you a glimpse into how I tend to think about stories over a long time.Support our Snow White Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/symbolicworldpress/snow-white-and-the-widow-queenMusic by the

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292 - Jordan Hall - Artificial Intelligence in...

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2023/06/15

I catch up with Jordan Hall in light of recent developments about artificial intelligence, how people are responding to it and conceptualizing it, Ai and ChatGPT in Biblical terms, understanding the weight and ramifications of terms like "god", agency, angels and demons, wisdom, virtue, and technical knowledge and application.Jordan's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMzT-mdCqoyEv_-YZVtE7MQHis writings: https://medium.com/deep-codeRead Jordan's bio here:

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291 - Heather Pollington - The Art Behind 'Snow White...

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2023/06/06

I had an interview with the wonderful artist, Heather Pollington. Together we created a book called 'Snow White and the Widow Queen' that is currently being crowdfunding through Kickstarter.Here we take you through our creative process, the inspiration behind the illustrations, and our grand vision for this and upcoming fairy tale projects.YouTube version: https://youtu.be/DFtACMCLMwA------------I believe what we're offering here is an important course correction in modern storytelling

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290 - John Vervaeke - How to See the End of the World

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2023/06/02

A discussion between me and John Vervaeke at The Quest for a Spiritual Home conference in Chino, California in May 2023. A big part of our discussion was about eschatological imagery, talking about death and sacrifice, the past, and the future, inventio, and resurrection. -Original YouTube video: https://youtu.be/s5Y73Vig_ec -My talk at the same event: https://youtu.be/jPgV2yNEkcM -Event info:

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