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All of the Above Podcast

All of the Above

Welcome to All of the Above, the show that gives you an un-standardized take on education! We"re your home for news and analysis of all the complex, relevant, and controversial issues impacting our schools today. Hosted by the super-dope duo of history teacher Dr. Manuel Rustin and principal-leader Jeffrey Garrett, two Black male lifelong educators based in Los Angeles. This is the podcast version of our video series. Check out the dopest education show on YouTube and subscribe to our channel at

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01:03:25

#95 - Exploring Community Schools with Emily Grijalva!

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2022/11/05

Among the litany of education buzzwords that aren’t always understood is the increasingly popular term “community school.” When folks say that their site is a community school or that they’ve received funding to create a community school, what exactly do they mean? This week we’re joined by super-dope educator and advocate Emily Grijalva to unpack the meaning, purpose, and promise of community schools. Emily is an award-winning teacher who currently serves as the Community School Coordinator and

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00:35:30

NAEP scores, halloween candy, and the OGs of racism...

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2022/10/29

This Week: From the cradle of American racism, aka Great Britain, comes a story about schools getting their wrists slapped for having policies that ostracize and exclude Black students for wearing natural hairstyles. Also, did you know about World Afro Day? Well now you do :). Manuel and Jeff also discuss the release of NAEP scores this week and the ongoing learning loss narrative. Plus the guys get into the intricacies of the best Halloween candy, which is undoubtedly these bad boys right here. Get

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01:16:47

#94 - History Standards, Reconstruction, and Teaching...

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2022/10/22

At a time of heightened attacks on curriculum and increased efforts to obscure and whitewash the past, our teaching of history and the social sciences is as important as ever. Perhaps no era in American history is as critical to understanding our present challenges as the Reconstruction Era, so how well of a job are our state history standards doing in teaching the truth about this time period? This week we’re joined by the co-author of Erasing the Black Freedom Struggle, Mimi Eisen! Mimi is a

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00:39:10

Progress, and lots of room to improve in how CA...

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2022/10/15

This Week: Equality California Institute released a new report card for the state this week detailing how districts who responded to their statewide survey are, and are not, instituting policies and systems that provide a healthy, humanizing school context for LGBTQ+ youth. While the data shows the extent of some of the progress that has been made in recent decades, it is also quite sobering. Only 19 of 181 districts who responded to the survey earned praise as “spotlight” districts, which have in

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00:50:51

Transforming School Environments with Green Space -...

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2022/10/01

This Week: The LAUSD School Board approved a resolution recently aiming to have every school in the district have at least 30% green spce by 2035. For the nation’s second largest district, this is no small task, but in a city where school is regularly compromised by triple digit temps and asphalt play yards that can be dangerously hot, this could revolutionize the physical ground at schools, and be a model for what creating huamizing spaces in urban districts could look like. Also, UCLA releases a

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00:37:11

Nothing Dystopian to See Here - Passing Period #79

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2022/09/24

This Week: In a totally-normal-definitely-not-dystopian move, Texas officials approve a “1836 Project” pamphlet to be distributed at their DMVs to educate everyone about the history of how Texas became exceptional. In a separate but equally normal and not-dystopian story, several universities have been found to use a surveillance tool to monitor campus protests. Manuel and Jeff get into it and talk about the potential impact of “patriotic” education and invasive tech tools in our education

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00:46:21

New “Learning Loss” Data, And, What We Should Do...

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2022/09/10

This Week: The learning loss hawks got some new red meat this week in the form of some fascinating comparative data from the NAEP, and LAUSD, the nation’s 2nd largest school system, releasing its state test scores from June. The data is interesting, and we are precariously on the edge of seeing it misused and abused across the board. DOuble blocks and ELA and Math, rampant test prep, cuts to art and music? Please no. Manuel and Jeff get into it, and talk about what the data means, doesn’t mean, and

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00:57:14

Student loan relief, sort of, and the media fails...

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2022/08/27

This Week: Last week we took the under on the likelihood that there would be significant student loan relief coming from Joe Biden. This week we admit we were wrong… sort of. We discuss the latest policy from the White House. Also, you’ve probably heard that the Minneapolis Public Schools are firing white teachers because they’re white, in a shocking act of mass reverse racism. And that’s because the media coverage has been utterly irresponsible regurgitation of right wing talking points. Manuel and

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00:50:14

Looming Exodus of Principals, Student Loan Payment...

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2022/08/21

This Week: New survey data from the National Association of Secondary School Principals shows a potential looming exodus of school leaders from the nation’s schools, citing stress, threats, and inadequate resources to feel effective in the role. And, as the end of the pause on federal student loan payments draws closer, Manuel and Jeff debate how, or whether, the Biden administration will act in the interests of the people. Also, a wild story out of CA involving a Latino school custodian doing

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00:44:34

Teachers told to keep silent, CA gives kids college...

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2022/08/13

Description This Week: We knew that the attacks on truthful teaching of history, on inclusive curriculum, and on discussion of so-called “controversial” topics would have a direct impact on the classroom, and now we’ve got the data to prove it. A new survey by the RAND Corporation shows that 1 in 4 teachers have been told to limit class talk on hot-button issues, even in cases where there are no laws being violated. The “chilling effect” is in full effect, and Manuel and Jeff get into it. Meanwhile

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01:13:24

#93 - Title IX and the Fight for Gender Equity in...

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2022/08/06

For fifty years (and counting) Title IX has served as a pivotal tool in the pursuit of gender equity in education. Despite being among the most discussed pieces of federal legislation, there is still a lot of misunderstanding with regards to what Title IX is and how it works. In fact, some district administrators aren’t even aware that they are the Title IX Coordinator for their school district! To help us explore the impact of Title IX and what work still needs to be done in the pursuit of gender

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00:39:45

Soldiers in Class, HS Grads, and Other Solutions to...

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2022/07/30

This Week: What do Florida, Arizona, and Texas have in common? Well in this case it’s unusual, if tragic, “solutions” to the national teacher shortage. In Florida, good old Ron Desantis and company have decided that veterans should be able to teach with no credential. In Arizona, Gov. Doug Ducey and friends have decided that military service is not necessary, and folks who are simply enrolled in college should be enough. And not to be left behind, the teacher shortage has so heavily impacted rural

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00:37:21

Betsy’s Talking Reckless… Again - Passing Period #73

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2022/07/23

This Week: All of the Above’s #1 hater, and America’s greatest nemesis of modern public education is back in the headlines this week, and we’re gonna talk about her. You got it, captain guns-for-grizzlies herself, former Secretary of Education Betsy Devos said to a crowd in Florida that she thinks the department she was once head of should be abolished. As shocking as that might be, the real meat of the story is in unpacking why Betsy and company are coming so hard for teachers, curriculum, truthful

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00:39:02

Does it matter that 1 in 5 CA teachers aren’t fully...

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2022/07/10

This Week: A wonderfully click-baity piece in EdSource explores new data revealing that nearly 1 in 5 California teachers are not fully credentialed. This is, on some level, undeniably an issue. We expect our doctors to be board certified, our barbers to be licensed, our pilots to be licensed and trained, so what’s up with educators? But despite the shock value, there’s some important nuance behind the data. Does it mean what it sounds like? Is it even that big of a deal? Manuel and Jeff

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01:24:41

#92 - Humanizing Education w/ Chris McNutt and Nick...

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2022/07/02

Not gonna lie–-the political, environmental, and economic outlook right now is rather bleak. More than ever we need to ensure that our students have quality, humanizing spaces within which to learn and grow. But what does it actually mean to have humanizing schools and classrooms, and how can we shape a human-centric school system amid the wave of anti-human bills seeking to ban books, ban curriculum, and ostracize our most marginalized communities? Chris McNutt and Nick Covington, two super-dope

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00:38:30

We done slipped… the Supreme Court takes us back...

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2022/06/25

This Week: In what can only be understood as a horrid week in the history of American jurisprudence, the Supreme Court hands down two rulings that stand to do expansive harm to America’s children and school communities. In Carson v. Mankin the court decided that there is no longer a separation of church and state, and clears the way for public funds to be sent to religious schools. And in Dobbs.v Jackson Women’s Health, the Court overturned Roe v Wade, effectively outlawing abortion in half of the

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00:41:32

40 Years of Undocumented Student Rights in Schools -...

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2022/06/18

This Week: 40 years ago this week, the US Supreme Court handed down one of the most important immigrant rights decisions in its history in Plyler v. Doe. In a 5-4 decision the Court ruled, in a way that only an American court can, that undocumented immigrant children were in fact “persons” and that the Texas law effectively barring them from a free public education served no compelling state interest. Manuel and Jeff discuss this momentous anniversary, in light of the mounting effort by TX Gov

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00:42:23

Universal Pre-K, Universally Good… Right? - Passing...

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2022/06/12

This Week: It seems obviously simple. Give kids universal access to free pre-k and we will see positive outcomes. But some fascinating new data from NYC, paired up with data from the state of Tennessee, shows us a more complex picture. Why are the effects of pre-k so uneven, and is bad pre-k actually worse than no pre-k at all? Manuel and Jeff discuss. Oh, and Jeff rants momentarily on the travesty that is Rolling Stone’s ranking of the top 200 hip hop albums of all time. Get your All of the Above

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00:46:39

Uvalde, the insanity of Ted Cruz, and the real story...

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2022/06/04

This Week: Manuel and Jeff reflect on the tragedy at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX and how to process the continued incidents of mass shootings in America. We blast the distinguished gentleman from Texas, Ted Cruz, on his insane ideas for one hardened entrance at every school, and discuss the renewed efforts to arm teachers. Also, an EdSource article with a clickbait title causes us to assess the real story of the 2021-22 school year, the remarkable resilience and genius shown by America’s

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00:30:55

AOTA Live from Education Evolving’s Student Centered...

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2022/05/28

This Week: All of the Above is coming to your live, on the road from Jeff’s hometown of St. Paul, MN, at Education Evolving’s Student Centered Learning for Equity Conference! In this first-of-its-kind event we dig into two fascinating stories, chosen by the audience.First, we talk about a favorite topic of ours, teaching hard history, but through the lens of lessons we can learn from countries around the globe from how they tackle things from colonization, to apartheid, to the holocaust. Second we

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