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Refin" It Up

Former WWE referees Brian Hebner and Jimmy Korderas and TNA and OVW Senior Referee Daniel Spencer dive deep into the wrestling business and it’s talent from the view of the 3rd man in the ring

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01:04:40

"Rolling The Dice With The Outlandish One"

Refin" It Up ·

2022/12/14

Refin It Up is going “Outlandish” this week as Brian and RJ welcome Zicky Dice to the show. Throughout his career, Zicky has worked his behind off unlike any other talent in the business. He has bet on himself and has gone through a lot of adversity; this week he speaks about that and so much more about the business and more. Lastly, Brian and Zicky go back and remember when Zicky beat Ricky Starks for the NWA Television Championship. They talk about what went into the match the day of and before

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01:50:17

The Beginning till the "Book End'

Refin" It Up ·

2022/12/07

Booker T started on hard times at a young age, but as time went on he made the best out of everything he did. Since the time his brother (Stevie Ray) suggested he start wrestling training with Ivan Putski in 1992, Booker knew that wrestling was for him. Booker was the face of WCW up until the company was sold in 2001; then he became the person that everyone wanted to work with. Booker is one of the guys that should be on everyone's Mount Rushmore of greatest wrestlers of all time and this week we

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02:17:11

Russo:The Truth Is Told

Refin" It Up ·

2022/11/30

Vince Russo has been a polarizing person in the wrestling business for years and this week we welcome him to the show. Vince started in the business as a freelance writer for the WWE magazine and worked his way to head writer for RAW within a few years. Wherever Vince went he brought ratings; from WCW to TNA he made sure he studied the ratings and made each company better. Lastly, Vince touches on his relationship with Dixie Carter and his once-sided beef with Jim Cornette. Refin It Up Social

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01:34:45

The Changing of Faces and Places

Refin" It Up ·

2022/11/23

Brian worked with Eric Young numerous times throughout his time in TNA/IMPACT, and this week Brian remembers the great times working with him and the fact that he could do anything. From Monster Balls Matches to Tag Team matches to working in a faction and finally his great work as a singles wrestler Eric Young was a TNA original and could have matches with anyone. This week we also have another installment of #RefinReview as Brian reflects on the week in the world of a referee in wrestling. Refin

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01:19:25

The Myth... The Legend!!!

Refin" It Up ·

2022/11/16

Earl Hebner has been gracing your television screen for decades as one the most popular referees in the WWE/F, TNA, and NWA. From being the referee for the classic “I Quit” Cage match at Starrcade 1985 between Magnum TA and Tully Blanchard; to months later being part of the best storyline in wrestling history “Twin Magic;” Earl Hebner has done it all in the wrestling business. Earl believes referees should be in the WWE Hall of Fame and if given the chance he would consider being inducted with his

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01:56:11

From the Spider to the Man

Refin" It Up ·

2022/11/09

Trey Miguel has been the cornerstone of the X division in Impact since he came back to the company in January of 2021. Trey talks about what the X division means to him, as well as his feuds with Mike Bailey and Steve Maclin. As part of the Rascalz Trey could really show his talents to the fans but after Wentz and Dez went to WWE Trey entered free agency and took some time off to think about what he really wanted. Lastly, Brian gives his thoughts regarding the 25th Anniversary of the “Montreal Screw

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01:51:23

Passion Is Spelled MACLIN

Refin" It Up ·

2022/11/02

Let the mayhem being this week as we welcome IMPACT wrestler Steve Maclin to the show. The passion that Steve shows in preparation for a match, as well as things that the every day fan wouldn't see behind the scenes makes him a contender for any championship he wants to pursue. Steve Maclin can do it all in wrestling; he has had high flying matches, he has had barb wire matches, and he has even had brawls with the likes of Tomohiro Ishii. On this episode Steve touches on the time he had with WWE

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02:16:53

The Virtuosa of Wrestling

Refin" It Up ·

2022/10/26

Deonna Purrazzo started in Northern New Jersey and made her way to the main event of Hard to Kill 2022 vs Mickie James in a Texas Death Match. This match was the first time a Knockouts match main evented an IMPACT pay per view. Her career was filled with some trials and tribulations as Deonna did it all. From NXT to the main WWE roster and then to ROH where she revitalized the women's division. However, come May of 2020 she made an impact when she received a call from Madison Rayne asking her to

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01:31:18

Penzer... Mic'd Up

Refin" It Up ·

2022/10/19

He graced your TV screens for years as the ring announcer in WCW and TNA/IMPACT and this week we welcome David Penzer to the show . From the early days of WCW until it was purchased by WWF, David rarely missed a show and always did his best work whenever he was announcing your favorite wrestlers. Hear some first hand stories and knowledge from the great days in WCW and TNA/IMPACT. Refin It Up Website castpie.com/refinitup Brian Hebner Social Media Twitter/IG @babyhebner Refin It Up Social

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01:27:31

"The Angle or The Weapon"

Refin" It Up ·

2022/10/12

As one of the best pure wrestlers currently in all of professional wrestling and the current IMPACT World Heavyweight Champion Josh Alexander has fought for everything he has in and outside the ring. Josh talks about his tag team with Ethan Page and their year long reign as tag team champions as well as some great feuds he has had with some great wrestlers. Lastly, we talk about his current reign as IMPACT World Champion and what the future holds. Refin It Up Website castpie.com/refinitup Brian

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01:14:15

Ask Hebner Anything

Refin" It Up ·

2022/10/05

This week we asked all of you to ask Brian anything and you guys came through in a big way. We touch on everything from what makes a good referee to some of Brians craziest and most memorable moments in his career and so much more. Refin It Up Website castpie.com/refinitup Brian Hebner Social Media Twitter/IG @babyhebner Refin It Up Social Media Twitter/IG @refinitup Artwork done by JD Hoop @JDHoop702 Intro Music done by AJ McKay ajmckaycreative.com

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01:16:25

Submitting the Samoan Machine

Refin" It Up ·

2022/09/28

Samoa Joe has been the man in every promotion he has been in since he debuted in professional wrestling. From ROH to TNA to WWE, and now in AEW Samoa Joe has done it all in the business. As a multiple time champion Joe has taken his skills all over the country and the world. For almost a decade Joe ran all over the TNA roster before making his move to NXT/WWE. Brian remembers some of the good times with Joe as well as some great stories from the Samoan Submission Machine. Brian also remembers

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01:45:27

Breaking Kfabe with JBL

Refin" It Up ·

2022/09/21

There hasn’t been many pure heels in the wrestling business like JBL. This week Brian and RJ welcome JBL to the show as they talk about his feud with Eddie Guerrero, the formation of APA, learning from the best heel of all time Roddy Piper; and let’s not forget some one of a kind stories. All this and so much more on this episode of Refin It Up. Joe Doering Fundraiser https://www.gofundme.com/f/joedoering Refin It Up Website castpie.com/refinitup Brian Hebner Social Media Twitter/IG

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01:24:21

Faces of the Beast

Refin" It Up ·

2022/09/14

Brock Lesnar has been creating carnage where ever he has been since 2002. From OVW to WWE to NJPW and finally to UFC he has been the main event wherever he has been. Brock Lesnar had one of the best rookie years ever winning the King of the Ring Tournament, feuding with Hulk Hogan, and then becoming the then youngest world champion when he defeated The Rock at Summer Slam. Lesnar can not only brawl with the best of them he is one of the best conditioned athletes in WWE history. That conditioning

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00:51:36

Getting the Low Down (Part 2)

Refin" It Up ·

2022/09/07

Brian and RJ welcome back DLo Brown this week as they talk about the up coming football season that kicks off this week. As a lifelong Bears fan DLo talks about how he thinks his team will do this year and going forward in the future. Fantasy football is something that has swept the nation over the last number of years; RJ and Brian breakdown their matchup coming up this week as well. Hermie Sadler was a major impact on both Brian and DLo's careers as they take a stroll down memory lane and

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01:59:14

Getting The Low Down (Part 1)

Refin" It Up ·

2022/08/24

Dlo Brown is one of the best minds in all of professional wrestling and this week he has so many stories from his time in WWE to TNA and all points in between. Dlo also remembers his time in the Nation of Domination and what it did for him to make the Aces and Eights work years later in TNA. Lastly, Dlo remembers the good times he had with Owen Hart and also some classic ribs. PART TWO NEXT WEDNESDAY AT 9am EST Refin It Up Website castpie.com/refinitup Refin It Up Social Media Twitter and IG

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01:35:08

True Words Of Aries

Refin" It Up ·

2022/08/17

As one of the most underrated wrestlers of all time Austin Aries has been in TNA/IMPACT, ROH, WWE, and now Control Your Narrative. Aries is one of those wrestlers that can have a match with literally anyone. From a cruiserweight match to a heavyweight match or even a tag team match Aries prided himself when he started training and then when he debute as someone that can do anything you ask of them. We talk about his historical runs in TNA as X Division and Heavyweight Champions, as well as what

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01:18:13

"It's Game Time"

Refin" It Up ·

2022/08/10

Are You Ready? For the thousands listening around the world, it's time for another episode of Refin It Up with Brian Hebner. This week Brian and RJ are honored to have former WWE referee Jimmy Korderas on the show to talk about someone that both he and Brian know well; Triple H. As a life long fan of the business it was no surprise to anyone how quick Triple H took to the business when he trained with Killer Kowalski. Making his debut in WCW in 1994 he fell in love with the business; he then was

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01:55:47

The Innovator of Wrestling

Refin" It Up ·

2022/08/03

Tommy Dreamer doesn't do podcasts much but he made an exception this week for Brian and RJ as they welcome him to the show to chat about his long and historical career. Brian shares with all of us how much Tommy means to him in and outside the ring. The passion that Tommy has for pro wrestling is quite evident during this episode as he has dedicated his life to the sport that he loves. From his early days on the independent scene to ECW and WWE and finally currently with IMPACT Wrestling, there is

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01:03:11

Brotherly Love

Refin" It Up ·

2022/07/27

The Briscoe Brothers have been in the news as of late for their great match against FTR in Ring of Honor. Mark and Jay Briscoe have been one of the best tag teams in professional wrestling since their debut in 2001. Even with their individual singles runs they have always came back together to put on some of he best tag team matches ever. This week Brian remembers their match against Rhino and Heath in IMPACT from April 28, 2022. Refin It Up Website castpie.com/refinitup Brian Hebner Social

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