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Refin" It Up

Former WWE referees Brian Hebner and Jimmy Korderas and TNA and OVW Senior Referee Daniel Spencer dive deep into the wrestling business and it’s talent from the view of the 3rd man in the ring

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01:24:41

Episode 202: Connor Thornton

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2026/02/18

We welcome Connor Thornton to the show this week to talk about all things content creating. Connor talks about all the good and bad things that he has come across in the world on content creations. In addition to all of that Brian, Jimmy, and Daniel talk about the very busy week of pro wrestling including what is in store for Brock Lesnar and AJ Styles next week on RAW from Atlanta and what we could see from a Bad Bunny and Logan Paul match. Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter and IG

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01:13:50

Episode 201: We Live Pal

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2026/02/11

We are LIVE pal!!!! You can now catch the show on YouTube and Twitch. However, we still bring the show to you right here in podcast form every week. This week we talk about the ratings for TNA on AMC from last week, if the Cody Rhodes and Drew McIntyre can go all the way to Wrestle Mania, one more match for Lita, and some comments from Michael PS Hayes on UnReal. In addition to that we will have our Refin Review and discuss some of our Mount Rushmore Heels and Workers. All this and much more

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01:54:00

Refin 200

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2026/02/04

We are celebrating out 200th episode of Refin It Up this week. We dedicate it to all of our listers as we asked you all for your questions and we try to answer them all. In addition to that we talk about the busy week in wrestling. Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner Social MediaTwitter/IG @babyhebnerJimmy Korderas Social MediaTwitter: @jimmykorderasIG: @realjimmykorderasDaniel Spencer Social Media Twitter/IG:

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01:10:42

Ref Fellas 8

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2026/01/28

We dive into what we thought about Saturday Nights Main Event from last week and the possibilities that it presents for some of the wrestlers going forward into the Royal Rumble. We also revisit the second episode of TNA Impact on AMC; what we thought of it, good and bad. Season tow of UNREAL on Netflix has take the platform and world by storm and we talk about what we thought of the show. Lastly, we talk about what could have been AJ Styles last RAW as well as our takes for what we can expect

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01:07:34

Ref Fellas 7

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2026/01/21

The fellas are back in town this week. Daniel, Brian, and Jimmy are back t talk about the week that was in wrestling. We talk about the debut of TNA on AMC; the hits and some misses from last Thursdays debut. In addition to that we talk about the turn of Natalya to Nattie on Maxxine Durpi; or so we hope. With 2026 being the last year for AJ Styles, could the Royal Rumble match against Gunther be it for AJ? The boys discuss that in addition to our Refin Review. Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter,

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01:13:18

Ref Fellas 6

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2026/01/14

The fellas are back and ready for Ref Fellas this week as Brian and Jimmy break down Drew McIntyre’s title victory over Cody Rhodes from Smackdown last Friday as well as the officially debut of Jordynne Grace on Smackdown. We additionally talk about the debut of TNA on AMC this Thursday night with the return of AJ Styles to TNA IMPACT. Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner Social MediaTwitter/IG @babyhebnerJimmy Korderas

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01:21:32

Ref Fellas V

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2026/01/07

We are back from our holiday break with Ref Fellas V. Brian, Jimmy, and Daniel starts 2026 hot when they discuss some of the top news in pro wrestling. From debuts to returns all the way to Drew McIntyre and Cody Rhodes three stages of hell match we talk about it all. Plus don’t forget everyone’s favorite segment “Refin Review” is hot. Lastly, we talk about the general comment William Regan made while we were off as well as the debut of TNA Wrestling on AMC on January 15. Refin It Up Social

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01:50:38

Refin Rewind: Sgt Slaughter

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2025/12/31

This week we are doing a Refin Rewind with our episode with Sgt. Slaughter from December of 2024 Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner Social MediaTwitter/IG @babyhebnerJimmy Korderas Social MediaTwitter: @jimmykorderasIG: @realjimmykorderasDaniel Spencer Social Media Twitter/IG: @DanielSpencerArtwork by JD Hoop @JDHoop702Music by Downstait and AJ McKay We are extremely happy to announce our new partnership with PSL City

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01:19:20

Refin Rewind: Alisha Edwards

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2025/12/24

This week we are doing a Refin Rewind with our episode with Alisha Edwards from October of 2024 Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner Social MediaTwitter/IG @babyhebnerJimmy Korderas Social MediaTwitter: @jimmykorderasIG: @realjimmykorderasDaniel Spencer Social Media Twitter/IG: @DanielSpencerArtwork by JD Hoop @JDHoop702Music by Downstait and AJ McKay We are extremely happy to announce our new partnership with PSL City

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01:34:18

The Stripes

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2025/12/17

It is time for the Stripes Awards this week on Refin It Up. Find out what wrestlers and what moments are taking home a Stripes Award this year. Beforehand, Brian, Jimmy, and Daniel discuss everything that happened in John Cena’s last match at Saturday Nights Main Event as well as what the responses should be to it as well. All that and so much more this week . Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner Social MediaTwitter/IG

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01:18:13

Ref Fellas IV

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2025/12/10

It’s all about the fellas this week as we bring to you Ref Fellas 4. On this episode we talk about everything from Chris Jericho to John Cena’s last match and even who we think the hooded figure is thats inserting himself or herself in matches in WWE. All this and some bold predictions on this weeks episode. Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner Social MediaTwitter/IG @babyhebnerJimmy Korderas Social MediaTwitter:

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01:45:51

Under the Skirt with Mosh

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2025/12/03

We go stage diving this week as we welcome in former WWE Tag Team Champion Mosh to the show. As half of the tag team “The Headbangers” Mosh worked with some hall of famer tag teams like the New Age Outlaws and Legions of Doom. The Headbangers started with WWE at the right time with the right characters as they worked a lot of “Shotgun Saturday Nights.” After working many of those shows they made their way to RAW house shows, and pay per views. Mosh’s new book “Beneath the Skirt” is available for

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01:26:33

Refin Rewatch 5

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2025/11/26

We go back in time today as we Rewatch the four on four survivor series match from the 1995 Survivor Series. The match pitted Shawn Michaels, Sid, British Bulldog, and Ahmed Johnson against Yokozuna, Owen Hart, Dean Douglas, and Razon Ramon. Brian, Daniel, and Jimmy not only rewatch the match itself but they also look at the job done by referee Tim White during the match. All this and so much more this week on Refin It Up. Match Link and also available on

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01:06:24

Ref Fellas III

Refin" It Up ·

2025/11/19

This week we take a step back and look at all the great things that has been happening across all of pro wrestling. We go into depth on the busy weekend from TNA in regards to Turning Point, as well as some big news rumored about TNAs television deal come soon. We also talk about John Cenas last raw at Madison Square Garden. Finally, we talk about shat we could be seeing at Survivor Series as a number of matches has been announced. Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG

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01:34:21

Hacker Hamin

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2025/11/12

Refin It Up gets hacked this week; but in a good way as we welcome Bin Hamin to the show. As one of the most underrated minds in wrestling Bin talks about creating storylines with Vince Russo, while learning from greats like Rip Rogers and Al Snow at OVW. Bin has been a household name up and down the roads across all of independent wrestling in the North East and beyond. As a business man Bin knows what it takes to get over in business as well as in pro wrestling. As one of the last great heels

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01:31:05

One Take From Drake

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2025/11/05

It is a first this week on the show as we welcome our youngest guest to the show; Drake from LA joins us. Drake is a regular on Busted Open Radio on Pro Wrestling Nation on Sirius XM Channel 156. For being only 14 Drakes passion for the business is quite evident as we talk ago him about what got him into wrestling and what has peaked his curiosity as well to keep him following. He shares some potent opinions as we learn a few things from Drake. All this and so much more on this episode of Refin

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01:24:35

Ref Fellas II

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2025/10/29

The boys are back and throwing bows this week but are they going to be disqualified? Brian, Jimmy, and Daniel discuss NXT Halloween Havoc from last week, the number one contenders match on AEW Dynamite. In our second count we talk shop about the announcement of John Cena’s last RAW appearance on November 17 at Madison Square Garden. Goldberg has been all over the internet as of late with his comments; we take a few moments to discuss what we think about them. Lastly, we discuss how good Dominik

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01:14:36

"The Veteran" Thigh Slapper

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2025/10/22

It is a Thigh Slapping good time this week as we welcome “Veteran” Jack Vaughn to the show this week. Jack talks about traveling up and down the roads in independent wrestling, as well as talking opportunities when they come. His great presence on social media has been seldomly duplicated and has to be acknowledged. All this and some great stories =!!!!Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner Social MediaTwitter/IG

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01:14:48

Roger Factor

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2025/10/16

We welcome former WWE referee Roger Ruffen to the show this week. When Roger started he trained to be a wrestler, then he transitioned into being a referee when he joined the then WWF. Years later started training wrestlers like Chris Harris, Abyss, Karl Anderson, Jordan Clearwater, Jillian Hall, Lord Crewe, and Nikki Victory. Roger talks about all this and so much more this week. Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner

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01:12:51

Sky is the Limit

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2025/10/08

Refin It Up gets beautiful this week as we welcome one half of the “Beautiful People” and soon to be TNA Hall of Famer Velvet Sky to the show. Velvet sits down with the guys to talk about her phenomenal career, what she is doing currently, and as always brings some great stories to the show. Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner Social MediaTwitter/IG @babyhebnerJimmy Korderas Social MediaTwitter: @jimmykorderasIG:

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