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The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage & Bodywork Profession

Associated Bodywork & Massage Professionals

Our goal is to speak with luminaries and experts in and around massage and bodywork to help expound upon and better understand our profession and our practices.

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Ep 360 – Using Protocols? Re-evaluate Your Approach...

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2023/07/18

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren are joined by the Rebel MT herself, Allison Denney, to discuss why it’s OK to not know everything, when to use protocols and when to think outside the box, and how grounded confidence will help your practice and yourself. Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials at YouTube.com/RebelMassage. She is also passionate about creating products that are kind, simple, and productive for

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15:42

Ep 359 – MT with EDS: “I Have a Client Who . . .”...

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2023/07/14

Are you a manual therapist with joint mobility issues? Then this episode of “I Have a Client Who . . .” is for you. And if you have a client with joint mobility issues, you’ll want to tune in too. My colleague Natalie Pendergrass recently reached out to me to share her experiences with being diagnosed with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (EDS). EDS is a genetic disorder involving the formation of abnormal collagen. It occurs in 13 different identified subtypes, starting with hypermobility of joints and

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33:56

Ep 358 – Changing the Experience of Illness with Cal...

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2023/07/11

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren are joined by Cal Cates and Kerry Jordan from Healwell to discuss their research study, Massage Therapy for Hospitalized Patients Receiving Palliative Care: A Randomized Clinical Trial, what the objective of the study was, the methods used, and the surprising results that were found. Cal is an educator, writer, and speaker on topics ranging from massage therapy in a hospital setting to end of life care and massage therapy policy and

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33:22

Ep 357 – What’s Wrong with Origin/Insertion with Dr....

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2023/06/27

Origin/insertion terminology creates a rigidity in thinking that can obscure the simplicity of muscle function. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren are joined by Dr. Joe Muscolino to discuss his article in the May/June 2023 issue of Massage & Bodywork magazine regarding origin/insertion and joint action terminology and why the more Dr. Joe has taught, the more he has come to dislike some of the foundational kinesiology terminologies. Dr. Joe Muscolino has been a manual and

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18:43

Ep 356 – Foundations for Marketing a Massage...

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2023/06/23

There are a thousand ways to build a strong massage or bodywork business. In this episode of Business or Pressure with Allissa Haines, we’ll cover the must-haves to get started, laying the foundation for a long-term, sustainable business. Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist, business owner, and columnist for Massage & Bodywork magazine. You can find her building a community of massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com/community. Author Links:

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29:01

Ep 355 – A Practice-Based Research Network with Dr....

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2023/06/20

MassageNet.org is a practice-based research network (PBRN) that focuses on massage therapy research. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Darren and Kristin are joined by Dr. Niki Munk and Sami Zabel to discuss how MassageNet provides resources to clinicians, researchers, and other massage therapy stakeholders to combine efforts to grow research in massage therapy, what involvement in MassageNet looks like, and some of the current research happening now. Dr. Niki Munk is Chair and Associate

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15:31

Ep 354 – Body Odor: “I Have a Client Who . . .”...

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2023/06/16

I received a story in which body odor was a factor. I turned the question back to you . . . and got hundreds of responses! In this episode of “I Have a Client Who . . .” we discuss what kinds of body odor issues turn up in massage therapy settings, when it’s appropriate to discuss it, and some strategies for how to make those conversations compassionate and supportive. Sponsors:  Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com   Host Bio:                   Ruth Werner is a former

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15:39

Ep 353 -The Paraspinals Explained: “The Rebel MT”...

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2023/06/15

When a group of snails walks into a bar, it can help us understand the mess that are the paraspinals. These muscles are many, and in today’s episode of The Rebel MT, Allison dives deep to help explain, make sense of, and lessen the panic around trying to memorize them. And drunk snails always seem to help. Host:                  Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com            Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com                    Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist

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20:16

Ep 352 – Your Insurance Policy Explained with Spencer...

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2023/06/13

We all know that insurance coverage is an important aspect of being a practitioner, but how much do we know about that policy? ABMP Risk Manager Spencer Bellott joins Kristin and Darren on The ABMP Podcast to discuss what is actually covered on your insurance policy, coverage limits and what they mean, and an explanation of what a “shared aggregate” is and why ABMP instead uses an individual policy. Hosts: Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He

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11:12

Ep 351 – Is This a Business or a Hobby?: “Business or...

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2023/06/09

When you run a business, there’s one very important decision to make intentionally, a decision that will impact all aspects of your massage work: Is this a business or a hobby? If you haven’t made that decision, join host Allissa Haines in this episode of Business or Pressure to think it through and move forward. Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner and columnist for Massage & Bodywork magazine. You can find her building a community of massage therapists at

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20:17

Ep 350 – Working in the Professional Athletic...

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2023/06/06

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren are joined by Mira Rucker to discuss how she came to be the massage therapist for the Philadelphia Flyers of the NHL, what the day-to-day work is like, some of the pros and cons of working with a professional athletic team, and how she balances fandom with professionalism. Mira is an attentive and methodical licensed massage therapist with decades of experience in the wellness and fitness space. She is an excellent communicator and active

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Ep 349 – Post-Surgery Questions: “I Have a Client Who...

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2023/06/02

Waaay back when I was in massage school… We looked for one-size-fits-all answers to highly individualized questions. That doesn’t work anymore! In this episode we consider a number of questions about massage therapy for surgical patients—when, where, how, what, and more. Of course the answer is always “it depends”—but WHAT does it depend ON? Sponsors:  Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com   Host Bio:                   Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a

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27:20

Ep 348 – Exploring Plantar Foot Pain with Whitney Lowe

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2023/05/30

There are several potential causes of plantar foot pain, including the most common, plantar fasciitis. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren are joined by Whitney Lowe to discuss common causes of foot pain (including Morton’s Neuroma), muscle-tendon pathology, and some treatment options for each one. Whitney has been in the profession for more than 35 years. He is the author of the profession’s first accessible assessment text, Orthopedic Assessment in Massage Therapy. He is a

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29:10

Ep 347 – All Islands Meet Underwater with Doug Nelson...

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2023/05/23

Since opening the doors of BodyWork Associates, Doug and Jennifer have helped countless individuals achieve their career and life dreams. But how did it start and what did it take to open a successful practice? Kristin and Darren are joined by Doug Nelson and Jennifer Crozier to discuss why opening a massage therapy clinic is a viable career path, how community relations are the best marketing strategy, and why mentorship helps in building strong foundations. Douglas Nelson is the founder and

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18:09

Ep 346 – Spinal Stenosis Surgery: “I Have a Client...

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2023/05/19

An 88-year-old man is preparing for his third decompression surgery for spinal stenosis. His friend wonders if massage therapy might be helpful, or even replace this risky procedure. Join us for a closer look at spinal stenosis and the risks and benefits of this common surgery! Sponsors:  Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com   Host Bio:                   Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage

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15:12

Ep 345 - The Infinite Loop of the Obliques: “The...

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2023/05/18

The internal and external obliques may seem like antagonists to the untrained eye, but look a little closer and you will see an infinite loop that’s a work of engineering genius and an example of exquisite humanness. In this episode of The Rebel MT, Allison describes why the obliques bring to mind a certain Celtic knot. Or possibly some pretzels—depending on your take. Special shout-out to Rachelle Clauson and Nicole Trombley of AnatomyScapes.com for their wisdom and insights. Host:

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32:09

Ep 344 – Knowing Expectations in the Work Environment...

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2023/05/16

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Nate and Carrie from Hand and Stone Massage and Facial Spa join Kristin and Darren to discuss knowing your expectations in the work environment, why peer mentors are beneficial to a practice, and how open communication during an interview can help set the tone during your tenure. Nate, a massage therapist since 2001, is licensed in several states and is board-certified. He has taught massage therapists since 2004 and is a nationally recognized continuing

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25:46

Ep 343 – Walk in, Float Out with Brittany Driscoll

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2023/05/09

So, why did the founders of Drybar start a massage business? Because they love making people feel good. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren are joined by Brittany Driscoll, co-founder and CEO of Squeeze, to discuss why she made the leap from Drybar to Squeeze; why mission, philosophy, and culture are the backbone of the Squeeze experience for both therapist and client; and how being a female entrepreneur can disrupt a male-dominated franchise industry. Brittany is co-founder

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Ep 342 – Pelvic Pain: “I Have a Client Who . . .”...

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2023/05/05

A client with chronic pelvic pain has been through the wringer, trying to get a solid diagnosis and effective treatment for what has—for lack of a better option—been diagnosed as levator ani syndrome. Is there anything massage can do for this person? And is there a connection between levator ani syndrome and this client’s extreme flexibility? We explore these questions and more on this episode of “I Have a Client Who . . .” Sponsors:  Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com

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26:48

Ep 341 – A Placebo Approach to Massage with Mark Liskey

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2023/05/02

Warmth, competence, rituals, and good listening skills in the massage room will help you harness placebo pathways. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren speak with Mark Liskey about how the placebo effect can be a positive approach to massage therapy, the differences between expectancy and learned association, and examples of what can produce a placebo effect. Mark Liskey is a massage therapist of 30 years, CE teacher and provider, blogger, writer, and co-producer and co-host of

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