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5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it's a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.Subscribe to our premium episodes & much more at fivefourpod.com/support5-4 is a production of Prologue Projects.

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7:55

5-4 Live in Oakland [TEASER]

5-4 ·

2022/05/10

A common criticism of 5-4 is that adjudicating is hard work, and the hosts have no experience. So to prove that no, judging is actually dummy easy and anyone can do it, in this live show, the hosts rule on disputes brought by the audience. They also talk about Oakland v. BP, in honor of their appearance at The New Parish in Oakland, AND make a very special phone call to everyone's favorite beer aficionado.The full version of this premium episode is available exclusively to our Patreon supporters. To

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1:04:30

Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health: The End of Roe

5-4 ·

2022/05/04

In this emergency episode, the hosts are talking about what happens now that a draft of Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision has been leaked. Roe v. Wade will almost certainly be overturned, and abortion will likely become illegal in almost half of the country. But other rights predicated on due process, like birth control, marriage equality, and desegregation, are at risk too.To learn more about joining a network of lawyers for reproductive justice, visit

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51:00

Lassiter v. Department of Social Services

5-4 ·

2022/04/26

In this case, the Supreme Court rules that a mother who is at risk of losing parental rights for her child is not entitled to a lawyer during the proceedings. This episode features discussions of families interacting with social services and the foster system. Please take care while listening.Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter.If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discounts on

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36:31

Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Elias-Zacarias

5-4 ·

2022/04/19

A difference of political opinion is when one person wants the coal industry to get tax breaks, but another person wants the oil industry to get tax breaks. Not wanting to be conscripted into an army to fight in a war against your will is NOT a political opinion. Therefore, it is totally fine for the United States - the nation that instigated the war mind you - to deny you an asylum hearing and send you back to face that certain fate.Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael

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4:08

How the Biden SCOTUS Commission Radicalized One Law...

5-4 ·

2022/04/12

President Biden thought he could bury his weaksauce Supreme Court commission report by releasing it right before Christmas. Nice try Joey. We talked to commission member Kermit Roosevelt, of University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School, about being radicalized by his fellow liberals on the commission. Not because they're radical too, but because they're so institutionalist he got fed up.The full version of this premium episode is available exclusively to our Patreon supporters. To join,

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32:25

5-4 Presents: Damages - "Manoomin v. Minnesota"

5-4 ·

2022/04/05

This week, 5-4 is inviting you to check out an episode of Damages, from the Critical Frequency Podcast Network.Damages is a courtroom drama podcast that follows the well over 200 climate lawsuits currently active in courtrooms all over the world. Ranging from explanatory episodes to docuseries to narrative seasons, it’s a show about the quest for justice and a crime against humanity: the climate crisis. In this episode: a case on behalf of wild rice, or manoomin in the Ojibwe language. The rights of

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53:57

Lorillard Tobacco Co. v. Reilly

5-4 ·

2022/03/29

To review: If you are an anonymous donor, using your money to drown out the voices of everyone else in an election, that is free speech. If you are a citizen who wants to tell a cop to fuck off, that is NOT free speech. And if you are a tobacco company that wants to tell children about the rich, smooth taste of a product that will addict and kill them, that is free speech.Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter.If you're not a Patreon member,

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41:15

Strickland v. Washington

5-4 ·

2022/03/22

In this case, eight Supreme Court justices felt like it was totally fine to let the state kill a man, even though his lawyer prepared exactly NOTHING to present mitigating factors during the sentencing phase of his trial. Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter.If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discounts on merch, access to our Slack community, and more, join at

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4:47

The Civil Rights Cases of 1883 [TEASER]

5-4 ·

2022/03/15

In this episode, the hosts discuss a series of cases from 1883 about the 13th and 14th Amendments, which ultimately ushered in the Jim Crow era. And what's really fun (fun?), is that these holdings use some of the very same shitty justifications of racial discrimination that you'll find on Fox News to this very day. Time is a flat circle!The full version of this premium episode is available exclusively to our Patreon supporters. To join, visit www.patreon.com/fivefourpod. Hosted on Acast. See

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41:01

We Need To Talk About Ginni

5-4 ·

2022/03/08

In this long-anticipated episode we finally get into The Ginni Problem. New Yorker chief Washington correspondent Jane Mayer joins us to talk cults, insurrection, and other super normal Supreme Court stuff.Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter.If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discounts on merch, access to our Slack community, and more, join at patreon.com/fivefourpod. Hosted

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49:22

Merrill v. Milligan

5-4 ·

2022/03/01

The Supreme Court says there's simply no time before elections that are months away, to redraw racist Congressional district maps, that took all of one week to make initially. If you're a fan of democracy that probably sounds bad, but listen, nothing in the Constitution explicitly says that fascism is expressly prohibited.Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter.If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive

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5:00

The Lochner Era [TEASER]

5-4 ·

2022/02/22

Do you like reboots? You're gonna love The Lochner Era 2: Return of the Robber Barons! Featuring all of the union-busting, labor-exploiting, children-working-in-a-coal-mine of the original Gilded Age, but now with 100 percent more campaign spending by corporations!The full version of this premium episode is available exclusively to our Patreon supporters. To join, visit www.patreon.com/fivefourpod. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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34:38

Ingraham v. Wright

5-4 ·

2022/02/15

This episode contains references to physical abuse of children. Take care when listening.The standing law on corporal punishment - physically punishing children - in schools, is that it's legal because 8th Amendment protections against cruel and unusual punishment only applies to CRIMES. Failure to get your keister in line mister, is not a crime, and therefore, punishable by beating.Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter.If you're not a Patreon

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53:20

Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle...

5-4 ·

2022/02/08

Racism equals bad so acknowledging race bad too so reverse racism real so white girl go to preferred school, yes?Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter.If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discounts on merch, access to our Slack community, and more, join at patreon.com/fivefourpod. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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6:24

The Best Amendment (The Ninth) [TEASER]

5-4 ·

2022/02/01

This long-lost amendment gives you rights that our founding fathers, even in their wildest dreams, couldn't enumerate. So that's kind of a problem for modern conservatives.The full version of this premium episode is available exclusively to our Patreon supporters. To join, visit www.patreon.com/fivefourpod. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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55:13

NFIB v. Department of Labor

5-4 ·

2022/01/25

In this ongoing case, the Court holds that requirements that employees mask and test weekly, or get vaccinated, cannot be enforced while a challenge makes its way through the judiciary.It's good news for … I don't know, hermits living in caves who never interact with humans, or people who are already dead? For everyone else, it's not so great.Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter.If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode

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42:37

Florida v. Riley

5-4 ·

2022/01/18

Go-go-gadget surveillance state! In this case the Court holds that cops can hover a helicopter over your house and peer into it without a warrant. That set a new standard for the Fourth Amendment - namely that it doesn't really exist, and if you wanted privacy then you should have been richer.Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon (@AywaRhiannon) and Michael (@_FleerUltra) on Twitter.If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discounts on

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40:13

5-4 Presents: Scene on Radio - "Pachamama"

5-4 ·

2022/01/11

This week, 5-4 is inviting you to check out an episode of Scene on Radio, from the Center for Documentary Studies at Duke University. Scene on Radio asks big, hard questions about who we are, and how we got this way. This season, "The Repair," they're focusing on the climate crisis, and in this episode they're looking at the creative ways we can use the law to protect nature and fend off climate change.If you like Scene on Radio, you can find it wherever you get your podcasts. Hosted on Acast. See

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59:38

The Return of the Rise and Fall of Roe v. Wade, Pt. 1

5-4 ·

2022/01/04

Welp, 2021 wasn't a banner year for reproductive rights, and 2022 is looking worse.That's why it's worth revisiting this episode about Roe v. Wade. In this first episode of a two-part series, the hosts look at the legal and factual origins of Roe v. Wade. They also discuss how Roe was weaponized by the conservative legal movement to rally against an interpretation of the Constitution that allows for flexibility in favor of a far more rigid approach.Follow Peter (@The_Law_Boy), Rhiannon

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The Return of the Rise and Fall of Roe v. Wade, Pt. 2

5-4 ·

2022/01/04

In the second part of this two-episode series on abortion rights, the hosts discuss Planned Parenthood v. Casey, a 1992 case in which the Supreme Court made it easier for states to restrict abortion access so long as abortion regulations don't create an "undue burden." The vague standard set lawmakers on a new path of attacking abortion access, and fueled anti-abortion groups' efforts to spread stigma and misinformation, setting up Roe v. Wade for a death by a thousand cuts.Follow Peter

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