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The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong

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5:44

Shredded: ZipRecruiter, DHI Group, AgileATS, Kelly...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/14

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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28:25

Why Working in HR Sucks Right Now with Sarah Needleman

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/12

In this episode, the boys chat with Sarah Needleman, Business Insider’s Leadership and Workplace Correspondent, formerly of the Wall Street Journal for 23 years. Her article, “If You Think Your Job Is Hard Right Now, Try Working in HR,” dives into HR’s brutal post-2020 landscape: mass layoffs (like Microsoft’s 9,000 cuts) burden HR with soul-crushing terminations, as Evan Loveless shared, facing tears and dashed hopes. AI automation shrinks HR teams, incivility spikes with employee backlash, and

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53:18

SAP says BUY BUY BUY

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/08

In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman—HR tech's dynamic duo of snark and smarts—serve up a buffet of industry drama with their trademark banter that'll have you chuckling harder than a recruiter dodging ghosting complaints. They start by painting a gloomy economic picture, complete with workforce imbalances that feel like a bad Tinder match, plus a heartfelt nod to breastfeeding support at work (because who doesn't love a good "pumping up the team"

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6:07

Shredded: Sparrow, Wingspan, Bullhorn, TargetRecruit,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/07

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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31:12

Bias: AI vs. Human - Mobley v. Workday is Just the...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/08/05

In this episode, the boys chat with Jeff Pole, the big brain behind Warden AI, for a no-holds-barred chat about AI bias in talent acquisition. They sliced and diced a juicy report comparing AI’s quirks to good ol’ human prejudice, serving up some spicy legal takes on what happens when robots play HR. The trio threw shade at sloppy AI systems, stressing that vendors and employers better team up like superheroes to keep things fair and square—or risk a legal smackdown. They also peeked into the

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55:01

BOLD Pulls Monster's Plug

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2025/08/01

On this week’s show: 🔌 Bold yanks the plug on Monster’s Euro-zone job boards faster than you can say “thoughtful transition.” Spoiler: if you had job credits, they’re as good as Monopoly money now. 🤡 Jamie & Doug send a painfully boring email instead of showing their faces. JT’s advice? Ditch the letter, pick up a camera, and maybe lose the flannel. 🔥 Job.com update – Turns out “we’re a tech company” means screwing over employees. 💰 Anthropic’s valuation hits $170B by

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39:05

Knocking Off Indeed with Meghan Rhatigan

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/07/30

Live from UNLEASH America 2025, we’re serving up serious talent strategy with Meghan Rhatigan, VP of Talent Acquisition Experience at Marriott—and spoiler alert: job boards are dying, chatbots are rising, and recruitment will never be the same.Inside this episode: 🤖 The rise (and limits) of chatbots 🔍 Why some candidates still prefer search over automation 📉 The slow death of job boards—and what comes next 🌎 How politics and immigration are reshaping DEI 🏃‍♀️

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48:08

Europe: Hellowork vs. Indeed

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/07/28

In this episode, hosts start off with, what else, soccer snark, discussing Chelsea's Trump drama, then a little Tour de France trash-talk. Chad roasts Monster Europe's collapse, blasting Randstad and Apollo as "corporate cowards" ditching workers like bad dates. They dissect HelloWork's lawsuit against Indeed for yanking ATS feeds—Chad calls it a data domination plot, Joel bets on French PR patriotism trumping legal odds. "Buy or Sell" gets savage: MetaView's €30M note-taker? Chad and Lieven

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53:50

Randstad Screws Monster

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2025/07/25

On this week's episode, Moe comes out hot and spills on "Coldplay-Gate," that viral kiss-cam fiasco where a couple (turns out, cheating execs from Astronomer) bolted like they saw a ghost. It's not just gossip—it's schadenfreude gold, highlighting how the C-suite plays by different rules. Joel highlights ZipRececruiter's most recent marketing strategy: Embracing old school linear TV by sponsoring a new show on Fox. Chad rants about the new $250 "integrity fee" for US tourist visas—because nothing

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6:01

Shredded: Bold Holdings, ZipRecruiter, Perplexity,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/07/24

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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45:10

Fixing the Candidate Pipeline with Alla Mezhvinsky

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/07/22

Live from UNLEASH America, it’s an unfiltered convo with Steve Bartel (CEO, Gem) and Alla Mezhvinsky (VP, Talent & Workplace, Glean)—and it’s not your average kumbaya on hiring trends.🧠 From AI-fueled chaos to tech stack therapy sessions, we’re diving headfirst into: 🤖 Resume spam and deepfake candidates 💸 Scaling dreams on skeleton budgets 🧱 Platform vs. integration: who ya got? 📊 Real data, real decisions—no BS dashboards Steve even spills the story behind how he

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56:00

Job.com: Follow the Money

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2025/07/18

In this episode, Chad and Cheese return from RecFest with sunburns, stories, and just enough energy to unpack a week full of WTFs. They kick things off with a heartfelt tribute to their late friend Matt Lavery, proof that even these two have a soft side under the sarcasm.But don’t get too comfortable, there’s plenty of industry drama to dig into. Job.com filed for bankruptcy (shocking no one), Indeed is back on its layoff tour, and Paradox is dealing with a data breach. Chris Foreman resurfaces at

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6:56

Shredded: Wibo, Job.com, Recruit Holdings,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/07/17

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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30:20

Gettin' Giggy with Guru Dr. Ankit Kalda

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/07/15

In this episode, the boys roll out the red carpet for Ankit Kalda, a finance brainiac from Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business. They dive into the gig economy’s role as a financial lifeboat for laid-off workers, tossing around ideas like Uber drivers dodging debt faster than a bad Tinder date. The crew chews over how gig work reshapes the workforce, with HR folks scrambling to keep up like over-caffeinated squirrels. They also poke at the headaches gig platforms face—think regulatory

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42:37

Will Job.com Go Bust?

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/07/11

This week on The Chad & Cheese Podcast:💀 Job.com hits Chapter 11 – because apparently lighting $50-100 million on fire isn't a sustainable business strategy. Who knew? 🔁 Who's buying Job.com? Apparently Job.com! 🧠 CTO is owed $300K 🧃 Business model of doom. Imagine Fyre Festival for jobs 🔮 PE firms, VC money, zero logic – If you ever wanted a masterclass in financial acrobatics and corporate vanishing acts, this episode is your front row seat. It’s The Chad & Cheese Podcast – where

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33:58

One-Page Talent Management with Marc Effron

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/07/08

In this episode of The Chad and Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash roll out the welcome mat for Marc Effron, the big cheese at Talent Strategy Group and coauthor of One Page Talent Management. The trio dives headfirst into the wild jungle of talent management, where CEOs and HR are apparently playing a bad game of telephone. Marc dishes on why HR processes need a simplicity makeover—like swapping War and Peace-length forms for a Post-it note. He spills the tea on why companies

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42:13

Indeed Shareholder Report

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2025/07/04

In this episode, the gang kicks off with Canada Day banter, praising poutine and noting its July 1 celebration. The trio plans to rock RecFest UK in Knebworth, with J.T. plotting to heckle the boys.The core discussion dives into Indeed’s aggressive moves to dominate hiring, forcing agencies to adopt APIs and share disposition data, reminiscent of old newspaper models, per Jim Durbin’s insights. Chad critiques Recruit Holdings’ push for a unified “HR matching market,” warning it’s a dated

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5:22

Shredded: Jobright, Joveo, CareerBuilder, Monster,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/07/03

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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38:03

Indeed Feed Frenzy with Jim Durbin

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/07/01

In this episode, your loyal hosts roll out the red carpet for Jim Durbin, the industry's "Indeed Whisperer," who’s here to spill the beans on Indeed’s latest shenanigans. The trio dives into Indeed’s shiny new job posting policies, the corporate game of telephone gone wrong inside the company, and how this hot mess is shaking up agencies and recruiters like a bad TikTok dance. Jim drops some truth bombs about why quality candidates trump a flood of resumes, the nerdy allure of disposition data,

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54:08

JobGet Buys Monster? Inside the CareerBuilder Fire Sale

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2025/06/27

In another lively episode of The Chad and Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman, Chad Sowash, and J.T. O’Donnell blend humor with industry insights. The show tackles a grim industry shake-up: CareerBuilder and Monster’s job board business is being sold to JobGet amid Chapter 11 bankruptcy. JobGet’s gobbling distressed assets like Snagajob, but Chad questions the strategy, as these “misfit toys” boost revenue without growth. Unsecured creditors, like Jobverse ($2.7M) and TextKernel ($2.2M), are

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