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The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong

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56:33

Metaview Raises, LinkedIn Hunts, & HCA Gambles on...

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2026/10/09

Live from Amsterdam where redheads combust in the sun and nobody uses e-scooters—the Chad and Cheese crew are back with guest star Stephen McGrath to tackle HR’s messiest sagas:Metaview’s $60M Pivot: How a basic, commoditized note-taking app rebranded as an "agentic AI" messiah. LinkedIn's Massive Data Purge: LinkedIn is boot-kicking third-party scrapers (RIP Gem, PIN, and NeuroScale) Palantir vs. The Nurses: The surveillance state giant tried its hand at automated healthcare

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3:55

Shredded: LinkUp, Robert Half, Lyft, Ahron, Personio,...

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2026/10/08

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.

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46:29

Zero Friction, Infinite Resumes, No Hope with Nathan...

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2026/10/06

Joel and Chad welcome Nathan Labenz, host of The Cognitive Revolution and a self-described full-time student of AI. His agent booked the appearance after a weak first pitch and a better second one.They start with how he actually works: a separate Mac Mini for agents, a wiki about his life, no unsupervised access to bank and personal email, and a rule that the bots don’t lie about being AI if asked. That setup is the hook for the bigger story. Nathan walks through the industry as the dog that

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65:54

LinkedIn Goes Full TikTok : Job Seeker Confidence...

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2026/10/02

Joel and Maureen are back, slightly singed from RecFest, to argue about whether the industry is a warm community or a room full of under-resourced people begging an AI agent to reinvent the email alert.Also on the menu: LinkedIn cosplaying as TikTok, Meta finally peeling the cameras off the glasses Maureen still will not buy. The job market gets the usual treatment — sturdy headlines, miserable humans, bots applying as nurses for $150 a pop. Then Madonna shows up at 68 in fishnets, and the

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5:02

Shredded: Ando, Indeed, Septeni, Media House...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/10/01

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.

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37:32

20 Recruiters Making 150,000 Hires with Shay Johnson

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/09/29

How do just 20 recruiters handle over 150,000 hires and 7 million annual applications? On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman chat with Shay Johnson, VP of Strategic HR Partnerships at Compass Group, to explore the future of high-volume hiring. Shay breaks down how the global food service leader modernized its talent pipeline to eliminate candidate drop-off, targeted candidate re-engagement, and a full conversational ATS experience. Catch this episode to

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44:15

Guilty Pleas, Autopilots and Iced Lattes: RecFest USA...

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2026/09/25

What do a big couch, a can of Stella, and four of the biggest personalities in recruitment have in common? They’re all live from RecFest this week, covering the hottest topics in the world of hiring.Chad, Joel, Mo’, and J.T. are on hand to talk about everything from an HR tech founder facing up to 20 years behind bars to the great iced-latte-in-job-interviews debate sweeping the land. First up, the crew covers all things RecFest USA live from the Shaker Recruitment Marketing booth, each offering

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4:38

Shredded: DailyPay, Workday, Meta, Recruitics,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/09/24

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.

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35:37

Candidate Fraud Stops Here with Etan Bernstein

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/09/22

Is the resume dying — or is it just lying and on life support while AI agents pump out 11,000 fake-looking apps a minute. On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel and Chad sit down with Etan Bernstein of the Velocity Network Foundation, an HR lifer who wants to stop the whack-a-mole and put a chip in the talent system the way banks killed mag-stripe fraud. Self-reported CVs, ghost jobs, North Korean bots, and vendors who get paid for the chaos all get roasted. Etan’s pitch: one open

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69:28

Meta Employee Meltdown : LinkedIn Goes Loco : 32-Hour...

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2026/09/18

This week on Chad and Cheese, Joel and JT unpack four stories that actually matter if you hire, manage, or look for work. Buckle-up buttercup!Meta just reversed two of its most controversial internal bets: pushing individual contributors back into middle-management seats after the layoffs, and pausing a monitoring program employees believed was training their AI replacements. The hosts dig into what the internal data showed, why “no managers, full surveillance” keeps failing at scale, and what it

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5:25

Shredded: Intermezzo, Meta, Oracle, LinkedIn,...

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2026/09/17

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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39:11

How AI is Reshaping the Workplace with Paul Roetzer

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2026/09/15

SmarterX founder and CEO Paul Roetzer joins the boys for a chat about how AI is reshaping the workforce in ways most don't suspect. Paul sold his marketing agency in 2021 as AI was already writing at near-human level—then ChatGPT showed up and things went into hyperdrive. Bentley and Gallup’s 2026 numbers say most Americans, especially young ones, don’t trust companies that use AI, while Microsoft, Google, and every CRM already do. Paul talks human-centered adoption, Jobs GPT,

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65:38

Jobs Utopia or Fiasco?

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2026/09/11

Joel, Chad , and Emi break down the intersection of AI recruitment technology, global labor markets, and industry regulation, alongside pop culture banter and sports highlights. Key Topics Covered:Pop Culture & Fantasy Football: Reactions to Steve Ballmer's retro Microsoft commercials and NBA ban, US Open tennis highlights, and fantasy football draft grades. HR Tech & Startups: Spotlights on Sonic Jobs' LLM integrations, Hackajob's Archer agent rebranding following a 3x ARR increase, and

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4:29

Shredded: Factorial, Empion, Werkhelden, JobBooster,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/09/10

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.

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30:16

Real Girls, Real AI & Real Talk with Lauren B. Jones

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/09/08

On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel and Chad welcome Lauren B. Jones—founder and CEO of Leap Advisory Partners and author of Real Girls Roadmap to Mastering AI—fresh off the farm in Northern California where the roosters clock in at 4:30 a.m. With nearly 30 years in staffing and recruiting under her belt, Lauren cuts through the AI hype with a no-BS reality check: most companies claim they’re using AI, but only a fraction are seeing real ROI because they’re chasing shiny tools

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56:41

HiBob Beast Mode & DOL Dismantles Worker Protections

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/09/04

The latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast delivers a hard-hitting breakdown of massive developments across technology, enterprise software, and corporate compliance. The boys tackle Salesforce leading a massive $166 million investment round into HR tech provider HiBob, exploring how this ties into broader ecosystems involving competitors like Deel, Rippling, SAP, SmartRecruiters, Workday, Paradox, Greenhouse, and iCIMS. They also break down a controversial promotional stunt by startup

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4:33

Shredded: Workday, Yardstik, Accenture, McCoy,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/09/03

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.

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36:16

Slop, Supply & the Search Process: Ben Zweig Breaks...

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2026/09/01

Slop, Supply & the Search ProcessOn this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel and Chad sit down with Ben Zweig, CEO of Revelio Labs, economist, NYU Stern professor, and recovering quant who’s somehow raising three little girls while tracking the entire labor market. Ben walks them through Revelio’s new AI Labor Market Tracker—the data-driven, non-speculative look at how AI is actually reshaping work right now. They dig into the 28% drop in computer science majors, why companies that

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51:07

Recruit Holdings' "Alleged" Cartel

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/08/28

This week on The Chad and Cheese Podcast (dubbed HR’s most dangerous podcast), hosts Chad Sowash, JT O’Donnell, and Maureen "Mo" Wiley Clough break down the latest corporate absurdities, dystopian AI trends, and labor market nonsense. Episode Highlights:No Trust for AI: Humanoid Robots, digital AI twins and Amazon's last-mile automation. Corporate AI Disasters: Amazon's tokenmaxxing problems. Japan’s Big Staffing Cartel Raid: Recruits, Adecco, Manpower, and others are under

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5:37

Shredded: Twin1, Runlayer, Rippling, Gatik,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/08/27

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.

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