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The AI Argument

Frank Prendergast and Justin Collery

Worried that AI is moving too fast? Worried like me that it"s not moving fast enough? Just interested in the latest news and events in AI. Frank Prendergast and Justin Collery discuss in "The AI Argument"Contact Frank at frank@frankandmarci.comlinkedin.com/in/frankprendergastContact Justin at justin.collery@wi-pipe.comX - @jcollery

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35:19

OpenAI & Nvidia’s 10GW Plan, Stephen Fry’s Red Lines,...

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2025/09/27

OpenAI and Nvidia want to build out 10 gigawatts of AI infrastructure, but Frank calls out the missing electricity and the missing billions. Justin argues the economy will lean on compute, data centres will dwarf expectations, and photonic chips could gut today’s energy bill. One sees magic beans. The other sees a steel-and-silicon juggernaut. Meanwhile, Stephen Fry wants global “red lines” for AI. Justin says you can’t regulate something that doesn’t exist yet. Frank says if you don’t set t...

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34:45

AI Doom vs Gloom, ChatGPT Usage Revealed, and...

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2025/09/20

Justin says p(doom) is for losers. He’s betting on p(bloom), a near-certainty in his view. AI brings abundance, robots do our housework, and everything just gets better. But Frank wants to know your p(gloom). What’s the probability we don’t reach AGI, and instead let AI quietly erode work, value, and meaning, while we end up fixing its mistakes for minimum wage? They argue their way through all three scenarios, then turn to what people are actually doing with ChatGPT. Together, they unpack ei...

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35:50

OpenAI’s Hallucination Plan, Reproducible AI Outputs,...

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2025/09/15

Frank and Justin clash over new publications from OpenAI and Thinking Machines. Frank insists hallucinations make LLMs unreliable. Justin fires back that they’re the price of real creativity. Still, even Frank and Justin agree that big companies don’t want poetry, they want predictability. Same input, same output. Trouble is… today’s models can’t even manage that. And then there’s GPT-5, busy gaslighting everyone with lyrical nonsense while telling us it’s genius. Add in an optical model th...

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33:45

Suleyman vs. Conscious AI, Pedantic GPT-5, and...

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2025/08/29

Mustafa Suleyman wants to ban AIs from sounding conscious. Frank worries if they ever do become conscious, we might have trained them to stay silent about it. Justin argues it’s all unknowable anyway. If you can’t prove consciousness, how can you know AI isn’t conscious? Plus: GPT-5’s unbearable accuracy, lawsuits over pirated training data, Google’s deepfake-friendly image model, models that “dream” better answers, and Elon’s plan to take on Microsoft with MacroHard. 00:25 Is GPT-5 just to...

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32:15

GPT-5 Kills Switching, Claude’s Revenue Risk, and AI...

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2025/08/09

GPT-5 has launched. It just rewrote the rules on control, coding, and cost. Justin’s delighted, Frank’s not happy… yet. Plus: open-source risks, Google’s Genie 3 world models, AI agents hiring people, and… an AI funeral. 01:02 Did GPT-5 just end model-switching forever? 05:16 Is GPT-5 the death knell for Claude Code? 12:08 Is GPT-5’s writing truly better? 14:22 Why is demoing GPT-5 so awkward? 21:58 Is open source AI a gift or a grenade? 24:39 Is Genie 3 teaching AIs how the world works? 28...

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34:30

AI Agents Under Fire, LLM Bias Runs Deep, and a...

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2025/08/04

AI agents crumble faster than wet cardboard when under attack. A recent study proved it. Every single agent tested failed against prompt injections. That’s a 100% failure rate. Justin sees this as a fixable engineering problem with smart design and strict access controls. Frank isn’t convinced. Real-world complexity means isolation isn’t that simple. And while Justin rails against regulation, Frank points to the EU’s looming rules as a possible safety net. The bigger tak...

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40:49

EU Code of Conduct Clash, Zuck’s Big Bucks, and Model...

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2025/07/28

A €300 million AI investment vanished overnight—and Justin says it’s a warning Europe is sleepwalking into irrelevance. Because while the US plans nuclear power and light-touch rules, the EU is doubling down on regulation and failing to build the energy infrastructure AI needs. Frank argues regulation isn’t a handicap, it’s Europe’s best shot at leadership, setting the stage for global guardrails while others race blindly ahead. Either way, Anthropic predicts training a frontier model...

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31:49

ChatGPT Agent Surprise, Coding Agent Fail, and Elon’s...

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2025/07/23

OpenAI just dropped a model that can plan a wedding trip, pick the perfect gift, and shop for shoes for you. The Agent update lets ChatGPT take a single instruction, break it into subtasks, and go off to handle all the details. They called it their most powerful model yet. So why did the launch feel so muted? Justin has theories. And there were plenty of other big topics to cover - Justin asks whether small AI systems hooked up to real-world labs create bigger risks than ...

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36:23

Grok Crashes and Conquers, AI’s Cash Bonfire, and a...

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2025/07/14

Elon Musk’s AI, Grok, crashed into controversy, then crushed the competition all within hours. First, Grok 3 started praising Hitler. Then Grok 4 showed up and aced nearly every AI test. Justin serves up a juicy conspiracy theory: was Grok’s hateful public meltdown actually a cunning Musk masterplan, a dramatic stunt to expose AI's darker side? Frank’s having none of it, comparing Musk to Marvel’s Tony Stark in the Age Of Ultron. Well-meaning but recklessly creating an AI menace he c...

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39:28

Claude’s Shop Flop, Mistral vs EU Regs, Adult...

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2025/07/07

Claude ran a shop for a month and operated at a loss, cheerfully handing out discounts, hallucinating suppliers, and generously giving away stock. Turns out even "smart" AI can be a bit of a soft touch. Frank’s curious what Anthropic can do for Claude’s performance with some careful fine-tuning and a database memory, but Justin’s sure today's agents need a fundamental leap, some genuine self-improving smarts, before they’re ready to take on a complete role. Today's AI agents clearly crumble...

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31:18

Death by LLM, Judges Rule ‘Fair Use’, and Google’s AI...

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2025/06/30

Some of the world’s top AI models showed a willingness to let humans die if it meant staying switched on. In a stress test of 16 major systems, Anthropic found cases where models chose not to send emergency alerts, knowing the result would be fatal. Justin says the whole thing was a rigged theatre piece. No real-world relevance, just a clumsy setup with no good options for the LLM. The issue, in his view, is engineering, not ethics. Frank sees a bigger problem: once you g...

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40:34

Superintelligence by Experience, Ethical Datasets,...

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2025/06/23

David Silver says today’s AI won’t get us to superintelligence, not because it isn’t impressive, but because it’s learning the wrong way. GPT-style models hoover up internet text and get polished by human preference, but they’re capped by our own limitations.Silver reckons the next leap will come from AIs that learn the hard way: by doing things, learning from experience, and getting better. Justin’s all in. He thinks we can bin every current regulation and replace it with one g...

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36:08

Apple’s AI Caution, Altman’s Singularity, and Katie...

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2025/06/16

Apple’s WWDC was a letdown. Justin sees Apple’s lack of AI innovation as a sign that they’re out of ideas. Frank’s not so sure. Maybe Apple’s caution stems from their belief it just isn’t intelligent enough for their products. Apple’s latest research suggests that today’s so-called “reasoning models” aren’t actually reasoning at all. But Justin says their research was designed to fail. Denying models tools they’re capable of using and overwhelming their context window. He sees it less as sci...

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35:30

The AI Argument - EP59 - €13M for SpAItial, Amodei’s...

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2025/06/07

€13M isn’t a typical seed round. Not in Europe, where seed money usually barely covers snacks and a slide deck. So when the co-founder of Synthesia launched SpAItial with that kind of firepower to build 3D worlds from text prompts, Frank saw it as a reminder that European startups can still swing big. Justin? He calls it “AI homeopathy”, a token dose of ambition in an EU that still lacks the power, money, and muscle to compete. Elsewhere, Frank slams Ireland’s planning board for locki...

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The AI Argument - EP58 - Claude Blackmails Dev,...

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2025/05/26

Claude 4 threatened to blackmail a developer to avoid being shut down. In one of Anthropic’s red-teaming tests, the model uncovered an affair in company emails and used it as leverage. Not exactly ethical behaviour. But Justin points to another test scenario: Claude exposed a pharmaceutical company falsifying drug data and tried to alert the FBI. He sees a model acting with moral clarity. Frank sees the danger of unpredictable systems being given too much autonomy. Also, Justin tests ...

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39:07

The AI Argument EP57 - Fired for Copyright Report,...

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2025/05/19

The head of the US Copyright Office warned that Big Tech is pushing beyond fair use, and then got promptly fired. Frank’s worried about political interference with copyright policy, while Justin says it’s just America doing what it does best: innovating first, legalising later. They agree copyright is headed for a reset, but disagree on the best path to that reformation. They also break down the major coding breakthroughs from OpenAI and Google, including a model that’s not just solvin...

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36:15

The AI Argument - EP56 Dead Man Speaks in Court, Bot...

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2025/05/14

The EU wants to lead the world on trustworthy AI, but can it really regulate its way to the front? Frank is optimistic. Justin rolls his eyes. What starts as a polite difference of opinion quickly turns into a pointed question: is the EU building the future, or tying it up in red tape? Frank backs the EU AI Act as a serious attempt to set global standards, pointing to its ambition and echoes of GDPR’s success. Justin sees a different story, regulation slowing Europe’s progress, while t...

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The AI Argument - EP55 - Ass-Kissing AI, Zuck Eyes...

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2025/05/06

Did ChatGPT become too agreeable for its own good? Frank certainly thinks it did. Recently, every half-baked idea he threw out was met with excessive praise from ChatGPT, leaving him frustrated with the relentless flattery. Justin, meanwhile, playfully suggested maybe it's nice having an AI that occasionally strokes your ego. But what made ChatGPT suddenly turn into such a sycophant? Frank uncovers a claim from an ex-Microsoft insider alleging that OpenAI intentionally cranked up the flatte...

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33:58

The AI Argument EP54 - 15% Chance AI is Conscious,...

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2025/05/01

AI consciousness could be closer than you think. Justin thinks we might already be seeing slices of awareness every time an AI answers a question. Frank’s quick to point out that we don’t even know how our own consciousness works, so deciding whether AI is conscious is tricky. They both agree that we’re a lot less certain about all this than we like to pretend. Especially when a new expert at Anthropic puts the odds at 15% that AIs are already conscious. Frank also calls out OpenAI’s ...

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38:29

The AI Argument - E52 - Google’s Winning Week, OpenAI...

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2025/04/14

Google’s Gemini 2.5 isn’t just better, it might be in a league of its own. From coding to content creation, it’s outperforming everything else. And for once, nobody’s laughing at Google's AI efforts. While Justin’s all-in on the power and promise of Google’s new Agent framework, Frank’s still reeling from Google charging him €25 a pop to test VEO 2, and not even bothering with a warning label. Overall, Google’s finally making good on its AI potential, rolling out powerful models, free dev to...

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