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There’s No Business Like...

THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com

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Ep. 150 There's No Business Like - Hot Headlines

There’s No Business Like... ·

2025/08/20

Ep. 150 There's No Business Like - Hot HeadlinesThis week Katie, Josh, and Bryan round up and discuss some the industry headlines from the week and the implications for the field. It’s not all bad, though! We do get to chat about a certain musician whose name rhymes with Taylor and everyone’s favorite 90s uncle. Have opinions on the week’s top stories? Leave us a comment on social media or send us a message! Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions -

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Ep. 149 Mary Jennings: Ballet is Frickin’ Amazing

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2025/08/13

Ep 149 Mary Jennings: Ballet is Frickin’ AmazingThis week the team learns about the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and talk about big transitions leading into Katie’s conversation with Mary Jennings, the Executive Director of the Grand Rapids Ballet. Mary and Katie talk about how to build staff and organizational culture, the impact of resident companies on a community, budgeting and artist pay, and putting dancers on billboards. Mary Jennings is the Executive Director of the Grand Rapids Ballet,

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Ep. 148 Kara Hettinger: Teaching Artists are Invaluable

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2025/08/06

Ep. 148 Kara Hettinger: Teaching Artists are InvaluableThe team is back from summer break and this week Danielle sits down with colleague Kara Hettinger, and they discuss more ways of building the future of our industry: innovations in reaching teen audiences and training and support for teaching artists. Kara is one of the founding collaborators of the Midwest Teaching Artist Coalition, which is building new ways of creating sustainable careers and connections for teaching artists. Kara Hettinger

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34:50

NBL Rewind: Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid...

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2025/07/30

NBL Rewind: Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid Stupid Dreams This week we wrap our July 20205 Rewind Series as we revisit one of Danielle’s favorite conversations from Season 2, Episode 65 with Wone Vang! Kevin tries out his old-timey radio voice before sitting down with Wone Vang. Wone shares the struggle of being a full-time artist and full-time employee, the Guaranteed Income Program she is managing for Springboard for the Arts, and the importance of pay equity. Our hosts talk about their

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46:38

NBL Rewind: Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from People

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2025/07/23

NBL Rewind: Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from PeopleThis week Bryan ensures we feature our friends from the north as we rewind to Danielle’s Season 1 conversation with Canadian agent and Friend of the Pod, Tara Bailey! On this episode Danielle sits down with agent Tara Bailey. We learn how the Grateful Dead and planning underground parties led to a career in the arts. Through Tara’s story we learn about the challenges of visas, the differences in the arts between Canada and the US, the importance

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49:57

NBL Rewind: Bob Bennett: Quality Takes Time

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2025/07/16

NBL Rewind: Bob Bennett: Quality Takes Time This week Kevin rewinds us all the way back to Episode 32 to revisit the lessons and great advice offered by Bob Bennett in May 2023. This is also one of Katie’s favorites! Bob Bennett, and his impressive beard, join Josh for a conversation about Jazz, Jazz St. Louis, and all of the options of being part of the industry outside of performance. Bob talks about how change and growth take time, vision, and a good team. Our hosts share their spirit/drink of

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48:33

NBL Rewind: The State of Development with Lori L....

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2025/07/09

NBL Rewind: The State of Development with Lori L. JacobwithThis week Katie is rewinding to earlier this year and gasp! recommends you sit still and listen deeply to this one! So grab your earbuds, a pen, and comfy chair and adult beverage of choice and enjoy! This week, Kevin sits down with fundraising professional Lori L. Jacobwith to talk about the changing development landscape. Lori shares her top 5 things you can do right now and gives insight into the world of philanthropy. If you want to go

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NBL Rewind: Micah Christian: A Process Unfolding

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2025/07/02

NBL Rewind: Micah Christian: A Process UnfoldingIt’s summer vacation! The Pod Squad is taking a break and sharing some of their favorite conversations from the beach for the month of July. This week Josh rewinds to Ep. 64 with musician Micah Christian. This week Bryan sits down with the lead vocalist of Sons of Serendip, Micah Christian. Micah opens up about his journey into creating music, learning to not compare himself to others, life on the road, and more. Meanwhile, our hosts have a rousing

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Ep. 142 Investing in Our Future

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2025/06/25

Ep 142: Investing in Our FutureThis week guests Paige Hernandez, Daniel Hahn, and Karoline Myers stop by the pod to talk about the importance of and creative ways of commissioning new work from both the artist and venue perspectives. Daniel and Karoline also share about a new commissioning funding model, the TYA Tour Development Collective, which just completed its pilot year and is connecting artists directly with venues for funding. Paige Hernandez is a multidisciplinary artist that has been

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Ep. 141 NBL Summer Check-In

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2025/06/18

Ep. 141 NBL Summer Check-InJoin Josh, Katie, and Kevin this week as they talk about what they are thinking about in our industry – the good and the bad. We would love to hear what you are thinking about- send us an email or reach out through socials. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

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Ep. 140: Finding the Future Together

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2025/06/11

Ep. 140: Finding the Future TogetherThis week Danielle recaps the 2025 TYA/USA National Festival and Conference with guests Brian Fahey, Ashli St. Armant, and Sarah McCarthy. They dig into some of the best professional development sessions, major takeaways around audience investment, pay what you wish models, meeting student needs as teaching artists, seeing new work, advocacy, and more. The TYA/USA National Festival and Conference is the largest gathering of professionals in the field of theater

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Ep. 139: Broadway’s Biggest Night – Voting for the Tonys

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2025/06/04

Ep. 139: Broadway’s Biggest Night – Voting for the TonysThe lights are bright on Broadway as Katie and Josh learn all about the Tony Awards from Broadway producer Rashad Chambers and the Wharton Center’s Eric Olmscheid, who both serve as Tonys voters. We discuss seeing 42 shows in a season, the voting process, Tonys marketing and press, the role the Tonys play in the larger theater industry landscape, and more. We even make some 2025 awards predictions! Rashad V. Chambers is a Tony Award-winning

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Ep. 138 Christopher Kendrick-Castanho: Full Circle...

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2025/05/28

Ep. 138 Christopher Kendrick-Castanho: Full Circle MomentWe’re headed to Broadway this week as Danielle and Bryan talk about the Broadway League’s 2025 Spring Road Conference and arts marketing with guest Christopher Kendrick-Castanho. Christopher shares about social media and influencer marketing, some of the rising challenges in the Broadway touring industry, and turns the tables on Danielle and hosts his own game! Christopher Kendrick-Castanho is a Marketing Manager for The Bushnell in

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Ep. 137 The Pod Goes “Wildcard”

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2025/05/21

Ep. 137 The Pod Goes “Wildcard” It’s a “choose your own adventure” discussion as Katie borrows this week’s format (with tweaks) from the NPR podcast “Wildcard” and our hosts select their questions from a deck of notecards. We reflect on our work, our current challenges, what’s bringing us joy...and the time machine is back! Share your own answers with us via social media or email us a voice note via our website. Thanks to Wildcard with Rachel Martin for the inspiration and we hope you check it

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Ep. 136 State of the Arts: Montana Edition!

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2025/05/14

Ep. 136 State of the Arts: Montana Edition! This week, Katie sits down with the head of a presenters consortium, the head of a state arts council, and the head of a performing arts center, all from the State of Montana, in our first ever episode focused on one singular state. They discuss how presenting in Montana is different, funding concerns, the Yellowstone Effect, and more. Emily Wolfram is the Executive Director of the Montana Performing Arts Consortium

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Ep. 135 Arts Data Redefined- The Conversation

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2025/05/07

Ep. 135 Arts Data Redefined- The Conversation This week the Pod Squad shares their thoughts on Josh’s conversation with Angela Meleca, Founder and Chief Advocate Officer of Meleca Creative Associates (https://www.melecacreative.com/). They share their thoughts on the Return on Arts concept and more. If you have not listened to that interview, please listen to Episode 134, first. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme

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Ep. 134 Angela Meleca: Arts Data Redefined

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2025/04/30

Ep. 134 Angela Meleca: Arts Data RedefinedThis week Josh shares his conversation with Angela Meleca, and our hosts opt to save their commentary until next week so our listeners can sit with this one a bit longer. Angela shares her journey to where she is now, spending more time on her true passion, the Return on Art (ROA). Angela also shares how she is leading a cohort to measure the social, emotional, and public value of the arts and their impact on well-being. Angela Meleca is the Founder and

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Ep. 133 What Keeps You Up?

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2025/04/23

Ep. 133 What Keeps You Up?This week Barron Ryan and Jacob Deaton join Katie, Josh, and Danielle to talk about the industry and what keeps them up at night. Don’t worry, it’s not all doom and gloom, what’s keeping these folks up are big ideas! To learn more about our guests, you can listen to their full interviews: Ep. 35 Jacob Deaton: Work Hard and Be Patient Ep. 60 Barron Ryan: The Evidence of Beauty Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions –

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Ep. 132 Michelle Grove Herzog: There Is Not a Linear...

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2025/04/16

Ep. 132 Michelle Grove Herzog: There Is Not a Linear PathThis week Danielle sits down with Michelle Grove Herzog to talk about going from a musician (violin) to consultant and Director of the Arts Admin Program and the University of Arizona. She shares conversations about board management, fiscal sponsorships, grants and more. The Pod Squad talks about their interactions with grantmaking, boards, and more. Michelle Grove Herzog is an independent non-profit consultant and the Director of the Arts

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Ep. 131 Mark Ross and Erika Finley: Does Your Board...

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2025/04/09

Ep. 131 Mark Ross and Erika Finley: Does Your Board Reflect Your Community?Josh finally asks the important question, what would our hosts name their bands! Then he shares his conversation with Mark Ross and Erica Finley when they spoke at APAP 2025. Mark and Erika share how they got started in the arts, the interesting history of Community Concert Associations, volunteerism, and more. Mark Ross and Erika Finley work for Live on Stage (https://www.liveonstage.biz/), Live Arts and Attractions

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