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Pop and Play

Teachers College

A podcast from the Digital Futures Institute at Teachers College, Columbia University about play and pop culture. Professors Haeny Yoon and Nathan Holbert talk with educators, parents and kids about how they play in their work and their lives, and why play and pop culture matter. The views expressed in this podcast are solely those of the speaker to whom they are attributed. They do not necessarily reflect the views of the faculty, administration, staff or Trustees either of Teachers College or of

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All Episodes

13:40

Pop Off: Is It Okay to Play in Difficult Times?

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2024/11/26

Sometimes we hear “it’s not the time for that” when it comes to play or diving into pop culture in difficult times. When times are hard, we might feel guilty about doing things that seem frivolous. But Haeny and Nathan are here to push back on the idea that there’s something wrong with playing—or when we don’t perform the “right” kind of “serious” response—when we deal with challenges, loss and grief. Check out the zine Haeny mentions in the episode here.Please take our listener survey! We

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45:13

Future Dreaming with Ebony Elizabeth Thomas and...

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2024/11/19

This week, we’re going all the way back to season one with “Future Dreaming”. In this episode Haeny talks about speculative fiction and creative reimagining with Ebony Elizabeth Thomas, Olu Animashaun, and Lalitha Vasudevan.We’re bringing you this re-release (originally released April 27, 2021) in case you missed this great conversation the first time. We’re going to bring a few older episodes back into the feed as we keep working on Season 5 and get ready to talk about children’s media

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15:42

Pop Off: Special Halloween Bonus!

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2024/10/31

It’s Halloween! Haeny and Nathan are here to frighten and delight you with some Halloween opinions in a just-for-fun holiday “Pop Off”! Do you have takes on costumes, candy, and scary movies? Follow @popandplay pod and send your thoughts! As a bonus, you’ll get to see the costumes Haeny and Nathan wore for this episode!Please take our listener survey! We could really use your insight and opinions, and we want to hear your ideas for Pop Off topics and future guests! For transcripts of this

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13:40

Pop Off: Are AI Tools Good for Teaching?

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2024/10/24

Pop Offs are short bonus episodes of Pop and Play where we bring you short, more timely shows between main seasons of Pop and Play. This week: everyone wants to talk about AI, in education just like everywhere else! Is AI the solution to everything? Is it the downfall of everything? Or maybe, just maybe, could it be something in between? Nathan pops off about the way some AI tools are currently being used for teaching, and suggests alternative ways we could think about AI in classrooms and

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13:02

Pop Off: Do We Need Checklists for Children’s Play?

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2024/10/16

Pop Offs are short bonus episodes of Pop and Play where we bring you short, more timely shows between main seasons of Pop and Play. This week: it seems like there are checklists for everything! A checklist can be a useful tool, but do we need them for children’s play? Can you guess what Haeny thinks? And since Haeny and Nathan have committed to offering alternatives in addition to complaints, what could parents do instead to reflect on their child’s play?Please take our listener survey! We

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42:52

Learning about Playing Roles from the Experts: Kids!

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2024/06/11

This week Haeny and Nathan get schooled. Specifically they visit the first grade classroom of first-grade teacher and education scholar Carmen Llerena and talk to some kids! They learn how to play pirates, all about Rainbow Friends, and how to navigate conflict through pretend play. They talk about how kids use available materials to play in unexpected ways, the role of adults when it comes to shaping spaces where kids play, and learn about how easily imaginary worlds emerge from a pile of

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38:08

Live Action Role Playing (with Swords!) at the...

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2024/06/04

There’s no denying it (looking at you, Haeny), on this week’s episode we’re diving into “role playing.” It’s right in the acronym “Live Action Role Playing” or LARPing, the topic of this week’s episode. Haeny and Nathan are joined by Judson Packard, Program Director of the Wayfinder Experience camp in the Hudson Valley that runs LARPing programs for kids. They talk about their experiences as a camper at Wayfinder and now as a staff member, and what LARPing offers people that can make it a

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40:41

Writing Young Adult Fiction While Navigating Academia

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2024/05/28

This week Haeny and Nathan talk with Amy Parks, and Maika and Maritza Moulite. They are all navigating the world of academia and busy being young adult fiction authors. They talk about why they’re drawn to writing for middle school aged readers, what it’s like to be a YA author in academia, and where they get inspiration. Also, Haeny makes everyone share their most embarrassing memories. Just kidding. Sort of. Haeny Yoon! (You’ll get it when you listen.)For transcripts of this episode and

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38:05

Cosplay and the Joy of Dressing in Character

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2024/05/21

Have you ever been curious about dressing up in character? This week, Haeny and Nathan talk with Alexis and Josh about cosplay! They talk about why they dress up as characters they enjoy in community with others and how to put together costumes (having Josh sew them for you helps). They also talk about why dressing in character can feel risky, including dealing with the risk of harassment. And Nathan and Haeny talk about their own experiences with costumes and debate how to say

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35:28

Taking Risks in Play and Tabletop Role Playing Games

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2024/05/14

This week Haeny and Nathan are back at the table - the tabletop gaming table that is, with Kent Davis, author of the A Riddle in Ruby fantasy series and co-author of Epic RPG, a tabletop role playing game. He talks with Haeny and Nathan about how risk comes into gaming. What makes playing roles feel risky, and how can players be encouraged to take risks in a gaming environment, without pushing too hard? And of course, Haeny pitches Kent on her Kardashian themed role playing game. For

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38:21

Playing Parts and Engaging Communities Through Theater

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2024/05/07

This episode takes the theme of “playing roles” this season literally! Marah and Chris join Haeny and Nathan on the Pop and Play stage to talk about acting! They are a married couple that acts in community theater productions in San Francisco. They talk about how they got into acting, what has kept them coming back to it, and how it feels to be on stage as a lead character and a person of color in front of younger generations. Also Nathan and Haeny put them on the spot for an unrehearsed

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42:04

Drag and Playing Roles with Lil Miss Hot Mess

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2024/04/30

Nathan and Haeny are joined by Lil Miss Hot Mess (LMHM) to talk about playing with roles through drag, Drag Queen Story Hour, and what it’s like doing drag events for kids. LMHM talks with Haeny and Nathan about her journey in drag, and how drag can be part of modeling possibilities for adulthood with kids. They tackle questions like, how can we defend drag from its critics and uplift its possibilities without sanitizing discussions of drag as an art form? And LMHM demonstrate her skills in

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48:44

How Do You Design an Immersive Experience?

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2024/04/16

Haeny and Nathan are joined by immersive experience designer Caro Murphy to discuss the power of immersive experiences, what kinds of choices go into designing them, and what parallels they have to learning environments and teaching. Caro is one of the designers behind the Star Wars: Galactic Experience the team visited in last week’s episode! Listen to that too, it pairs great with this episode in either order! Caro shares some tips and reflections from their immersive experience design

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50:42

An Immersive Experience at Disney’s Star Wars:...

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2024/04/09

This season is all about “playing roles,” and Haeny and Nathan start it off by exploring a long ago and far away galaxy at the Star Wars: Galactic Starcruiser immersive experience. They are joined by fellow Teachers College professors Tran Templeton and Alex Bowers for their journey, and then interviewed by earthbound guest host Professor Lalitha Vasudevan to unpack their fantastical adventures. They ask, what is an immersive experience? What did they learn that could be relevant to

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1:47

Introducing Season 4 of Pop and Play: “Playing Roles!”

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2024/04/02

This April 9, another season of Pop and Play is about to roll into your podcast feeds! This season, Haeny and Nathan are exploring how play allows people to try on roles they might not otherwise experience in their lives. With another set of great guests, they learn about Drag, Cosplay, Young Adult fiction, Immersive Theater Design and more. They even travel to a far away galaxy (...Orlando). And of course they play games and find out “what’s poppin.” Follow now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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19:21

New Year's Bonus Episode!

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2024/01/31

Haeny and Nathan are here, technically still in the month of January, to talk about what's in, what's out, hopes for the New Year, and more! And they have what's in and what's out from some former Pop and Play guests to share as well! Pop and Play Season 4 is coming soon! But for all you poppernauts out there who can't wait, here's a special bonus episode! Our music is selections from Leafeaters by Podington Bear, Licensed under CC (BY-NC) 3.0.Pop and Play is produced by the Digital Futures

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35:43

Connecting Generations through Research with Tran...

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2023/04/18

In the final episode of season 3, Early Childhood Researcher and Professor Tran Templeton and ten-year-old Sahana join Haeny and Nathan and everyone is “going bonkers” about intergenerational research. It’ll make sense when you listen. Sahana lets Professor Templeton know what it was like to be part of her study from the perspective of a young person involved in research. And they reflect on why adults should listen to young people. Visit the episode page for transcripts and more!Our music

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37:33

Detectives and Columbo with Sonali Rajan and Mark and...

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2023/04/11

Oh don’t mind Haeny and Nathan, they just want to hang around in your podcast feed and ask a couple of questions, if it’s no trouble. Just one more thing… did you listen to this week’s episode of Pop and Play yet? Because we’re talking detectives and Columbo! Haeny and Nathan bring on guests Mark and Arlo Maynard who have a parent and child connection through this unassuming TV detective - and they’re not the only ones because returning guest Professor Sonali Rajan joins to talk about how

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34:17

Collecting M.U.S.C.L.E. Men toys (and more) with...

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2023/04/04

Haeny and Nathan love to embrace the chaos of play, but can they also get into putting away their toys neatly? This week on Pop and Play it’s all about finding fun in order and curation: we’re talking about collecting with author, high school English teacher and collector Morgan Boyd. We talk about how Morgan’s daughter got him re-started on collecting, what M.U.S.C.L.E. stands for, what makes something a collection, and why we collect. Also - Nathan tells the world how well a big

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37:31

Star Wars: The Next Generation Strikes Back with the...

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2023/03/28

Haeny and Nathan may think they know something about Star Wars, but Gabe and siblings Sam and Zia are here to teach these padawans a thing or two about which force powers are best, and themes of family in the Star Wars universe. They also share their stories of connecting across generations and with each other as their fathers tried to indoctrinate them into the ways of the Force. Visit the episode page for transcripts and more!Our music is selections from Leafeaters by Podington Bear,

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