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Pop and Play

Teachers College

A podcast from the Digital Futures Institute at Teachers College, Columbia University about play and pop culture. Professors Haeny Yoon and Nathan Holbert talk with educators, parents and kids about how they play in their work and their lives, and why play and pop culture matter. The views expressed in this podcast are solely those of the speaker to whom they are attributed. They do not necessarily reflect the views of the faculty, administration, staff or Trustees either of Teachers College or of

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21:17

It’s Halloween! Is Scary Play Okay?

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2025/10/30

Nathan and Haeny get all dressed up for Halloween! Well, Nathan does. Can you guess Haeny’s secret costume? They talk about some fun and light Halloween topics, and then they get into what really scared them when they were kids and when to let play be scary and when they might want to step in as adults. For transcripts of this episode, to learn about our guests, and more, visit our website. Follow now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or search “Pop and Play” wherever you listen to Podcasts and

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20:33

How is Play Policed and Who Gets to Decide?

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2025/10/23

What are the implications of controlling play? Haeny and Nathan ask what forms autocratic control can take when it comes to play, when it comes from leaders like those in the government, and how that can be distributed to individuals regulating each other or censoring themselves. And they ask what can be done when people want to resist that control. For transcripts of this episode, to learn about our guests, and more, visit our website. Follow now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or search “Pop

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17:47

What's Poppin': Summer Edition

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2025/10/02

This week Haeny and Nathan are here to talk about Summer Break! Just in time for it to be over. But we can look back on it fondly! They talk about pools, road trips with the family, and their advice for parents thinking about what do over the summer with their kids. For transcripts of this episode, to learn about our guests, and more, visit our website. Follow now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or search “Pop and Play” wherever you listen to Podcasts and subscribe!Our music is selections from

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21:46

The Impacts of Cutting Federal Funding For Research...

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2025/06/10

Nathan and Haeny are back for another Pop Off about recent cuts to funding for federal research. And they brought in a special guest: Vice Dean for Digital Innovation at Teachers College, Managing Director of the Digital Features Institute, and Pop and Play producer, Lalitha Vasudevan. What is being cut, what are the impacts and implications, and what can people who are concerned about these cuts do? Where was that research money going and why does it matter? Tune in to find out and get

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26:26

What’s Poppin’ at the End of the World: A Story Episode

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2025/05/06

Haeny and Nathan aren’t just here to talk about children’s media - in this season finale, they’re here to MAKE children’s media! Welcome to a fictional tale of what happens after the end of the world, drawing on prompts and suggestions from this season’s guests and narrated by guest star Hannah Holbert. It’s an episode unlike any previous Pop and Play: we hope you enjoy it! And if you share it with any kids, let us know what they think! Send us a message at @popandplaypod on Instagram!For

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31:10

What Are Kids Watching? (With Kids!)

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2025/04/29

What kinds of shows and media are kids into these days? Haeny and Nathan go straight to the source to find out: kids, of course! Their guests this week are three pairs of kids aged six, eleven, and sixteen. They share their viewing habits and opinions, talk about who they watch with, and Haeny and Nathan learn that “kids media” and “adult media” aren’t always such separate things after all. For transcripts of this episode, to learn about our guests, and more, visit our website. Follow now

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40:49

Centering Play in Children’s Media with Teletubbies...

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2025/04/22

Haeny and Nathan welcome to the show Andy Davenport, one of the creators of the hit children’s show Teletubbies. Find out about the origins of the show, the inspiration behind the teletubbies themselves, and Davenport’s background in children’s language development that all contribute to the show we know and love. This deep dive into the world of Teletubbies with its rolling hills and baby sun will get deep into why play is so vital to children’s experience of media. Correction: We know

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41:38

Children as Creative Collaborators with Story Pirates

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2025/04/15

In this episode, Haeny and Nathan talk with two of the creators of the award-winning kids and family podcast Story Pirates! Co-founder and Creative Director Lee Overtree and Co-founder and CEO Jamie Salka join to talk about how to treat children as true collaborators, both in podcasting, as well as the many other forms of media Story Pirates is creating including books, music and television. We’re warning you in advance: they talk a lot about Northwestern University - but they tie it all in

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36:55

How Children’s Media Is Changing

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2025/04/08

This season is all about exploring children’s media, and this week Haeny and Nathan talk with Emily Reardon, Emmy Award-winning and patents-holding designer specializing in the development of emergent technologies for play and learning, and Michael Preston, Executive Director of the Joan Ganz Cooney Center. Emily and Michael talk to us about their favorite TV shows growing up — remember Electric Company? — and the ways media and education are intertwined, particularly at the current moment

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45:39

What if the Games We Play Exclude You?

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2025/04/01

Haeny and Nathan welcome Aaron Trammell, Associate Professor of Informatics at UC Irvine. He has recently published two books on play: Repairing Play, A Black Phenomenology, and The Privilege of Play. Both of these books — and this conversation — explore the challenging elements of play, and ask questions about how various communities understand play and access to different types of play. And of course they have fun talking about which classic games are right for which scenarios and going

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45:44

Can the Arts Save Education?

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2025/03/25

Join Haeny and Nathan in talking to Erica Halverson, professor of Curriculum and Instruction at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, host of the podcast Arts Educators Save the World, and author of How the Arts Can Save Education, and co-founder of the Playmakers Lab in Chicago. Listen to Erica create musicals on the fly, explain Whoopensocker, a community she developed, and talk about the value of making art for its own sake. This episode gets into approaches to making art with children

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42:38

How Does Fandom Shape Our Lives and Politics?

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2025/03/18

In this episode, Haeny and Nathan go bonkers about fandom with Henry Jenkins, Provost Professor of Communication, Journalism, Cinematic Arts, and Education at the University of Southern California, and Ioana Literat, Associate Professor and co-director of the Communication, Media, and Learning Technologies Design Program at Teachers College. They start off this episode talking about their own fan communities (you know Haeny is a T-Swift fan, right?), and the way information is shared within

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41:01

Making a TV Show as a Family with EcoLeaders

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2025/03/11

Join Haeny and Nathan in talking to the makers of EcoLeaders, a TV series that’s part of BronxNet Television and available on Youtube that uses puppetry to explore collective responses to environmental issues. Jesus, Paola, and Logan are the family team behind the show, and ask questions like: How can children’s media also be activism? Through their stories of real-world issues impacting kids’ lived environments, the team behind EcoLeaders helps Haeny and Nathan think about the role of

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39:47

He-Man and Pop Culture Representation with Anne Haas...

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2025/03/04

Season 5 of Pop and Play is releasing next Tuesday, March 11! Since this upcoming season is focusing on children’s media, we’re releasing some past episodes where we’ve talked about children’s media! This week’s episode is from Season 2, originally released May 10, 2022! Haeny and Nathan talked with amazing scholar (and mentor to Haeny) Professor Anne Haas Dyson about Masters of the Universe: Revelations! (But really they mostly talked about how the media kids watch plays different

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29:43

Pop Off: Curriculum Is Everywhere with Curriculum...

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2025/02/25

This week, Nathan and Haeny sit down with Dr. Jacqueline Simmons and Dr. Sarah Gerth van den Berg of the Black Paint Curriculum Lab at Teachers College, Columbia University to talk about their new podcast, Curriculum Encounters! They have an expansive, some might even say playful, approach to curriculum design. They ask us to think about the curriculum of all kinds of spaces and activities, beyond formalized plans for school lessons.Curriculum Encounters is coming out February 27, 2025

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Season 5 on Children’s Media Coming March 11!

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2025/02/17

This March 11th, another season of Pop and Play is about to roll into your podcast feeds! This season, Haeny and Nathan are exploring children’s media. By talking with game designers, performers, artists, and kids, we’ll examine what it takes to make children’s media and how kids relate to it. And of course they play games and find out “what’s poppin.” For transcripts of this episode, to learn about our guests, and more, visit our website. Our music is selections from Leafeaters by

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19:52

FAQs from Adults about Kids’ Play and Pop Culture

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2025/02/11

As researchers of kids’ play and pop culture, Haeny and Nathan have a few frequently asked questions they get from adults. These include, how much screen time is okay (if any)? How do I design or assess play in my curriculum? Is this game okay for my kid? Search no further! They’re here to bring you the answers you crave. Or will they do that annoying professor thing and wind up just turning them into more questions? Listen to find out!Please take our listener survey! We could really use

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17:42

Pop Off: Goodbye 2024! New(ish) Year’s Bonus Episode

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2025/01/28

We’re back with a new annual tradition(?)! It’s our New Year’s bonus episode - and it’s still January so the year is still new! Nathan and Haeny talk about some of their favorite pop culture topics from 2024, things they want to say goodbye to from last year, and hopes for play and pop culture in 2025. Disclaimer: Haeny and Nathan are not expert sources on the slang the kids are using. Please take our listener survey! We could really use your insight and opinions, and we want to hear your

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19:01

Pop Off: Offering Hope about Gun Violence Research...

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2025/01/07

Gun Violence research and hope might not usually sound like they go together, but this week’s special Pop Off guest, Teachers College Professor Sonali Rajan, is here to share progress made in this often challenging field. Sonali Rajan is Professor of Health Promotion and Education at Teachers College, Columbia University. She also holds a secondary appointment in the Department of Epidemiology at the Mailman School of Public Health.Organizations Sonali mentioned in this episode:Research

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19:15

Pop Off: Why Are We Hearing So Much about “Parents’...

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2024/12/17

This week, Nathan and Haeny are talking about “parents’ rights.” Having rights sounds great, but what do people mean when they talk about “parents’ rights”? How is that phrase used in service of the agenda of certain adults, and how does it position those adults in relationship to the rights of kids and other parents?Please take our listener survey! We could really use your insight and opinions, and we want to hear your ideas for Pop Off topics and future guests! For transcripts of this

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