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The Plato Paradigm

Ivor Ludlam

What Plato Dramatized

society & culture philosophy

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0216 Lysis 210a

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/09/19

Lysis is either a megalomaniac psychopath or possibly a young boy who is not quite grasping. the import of what he is agreeing to. He agrees with Socrtes that he should be entrusted by all and sundry around the world with any technē at which he is considered to be the best. This is a little complicated by Socrates adding himself to the mix. The whole world should entrust Lysis and Socrates together with any technē at which they are the most proficient, and then they would be free to do whatever they

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0215 Lysis 209d

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/09/12

Under questioning, Lysis has been primed to think that being ruled by slaves and hired professionals in technai where he is incompetent is restrictive, while being entrusted to read and write for his parents, in the technai of reading and writing, where he is competent, is freeing and permits him to do as he desires. To say that Lysis himself actually thought like this before Socrates' questioning is problematic. Even so, Lysis should have begun questioning the notion that being entrusted with

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0214 Lysis 209b

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/09/05

Lysis realizes that he is ruled and restricted by slaves, hired professionals, and his mother, in those arts and crafts (technai) where he does not yet understand. However, his parents allow him to read and write because he understands the technai of reading and writing. Socrates draws out the implication that Lysis will be allowed to do whatever he wants the moment he understands all technai. Under further questioning, Lysis agrees that his father, his neighbour, Athenians in general, should

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0213 Lysis 208d

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/08/29

Even the parents of Lysis restrict his desires to technai where he is competent, but there he is allowed to do whatever he wishes, so Socrates pretends to infer.

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0212 Lysis 207e

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/08/22

Socrates' line of questioning establishes that Lysis is prevented by his parents, who love him very much, from doing whatever he desires. Even slaves are put in charge of him. We should remember that Hippothales is listening to this as a lesson in how to attract rather than repel his lust-obect.

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0211 Lysis 207d

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/08/15

Socrates begins his interrogation of Lysis. He had been considering asking Lysis and Menexenusk, before the latter left, which of them was more just and expert, but now with Lysis alone, Socrates asks him about his parents' treatment of him.

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0210 Lysis 207c

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/08/08

Menexenus leaves the conversation, leaving Lysis at the mercy of Socrates, Ctesippus, and the many onlookers, including Hippothales who still hopes to learn how to speak to his lust object without repelling him.

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0209 Lysis 206e

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/08/01

Stage directions about who sits or stands where for the conversation between Socrates, Menexenus, and Lysis

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0208 Lysis 206d

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/07/25

Socrates innocently describes the scene as he and Ctesippus, followed by the others, enter the palaestra.

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0207 Lysis 206b

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/07/18

Socrates promises.to demonstrate to Hippothales how to speak to one's lust object in a way which will attract rather than repel. Hippithales is. deviously inventive when it comes to helping Socrates talk to Lysis, enlisting the aid of Ctesippus and Ctesippus' cousin Menexenus in order to facilitate the meeting. Hippothales appears not to have noticed that Socrates has successfully engineered a conversatipn with Lysis, which is something Hippothales seems never to have done.

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0206 Lysis 205d

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/07/11

Socrates criticizes Hippothales for his speeches and songs, but not for the right reason.

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0205 Lysis 205a

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/07/04

Ctesippus describes to Socrates the sort of ridiculous praise his friend Hippothales has been directing at Lysis. It turns out that Hippothales is not in fact praising Lysis.

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0204 Lysis 204e

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/06/27

We learn some more about Lysis, the formal subject of this part of the conversation. Lysis is the son of Democrates of the deme Aixone, so he is of an aristocratic family. He seems to have it all - looks, wealth, status, reputation, and a course in wrestling. We should not forget, however, the the most important things we learn are from characters themselves, about themselves, and here we learn quite a bit about Hippothales, Ctesippus, and of course, Socrates as he is in this dialogue.

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0203 Lysis 204c

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/06/20

Ctesippus enters the chat. He informs Socrates that Hippothales is so obsessed with Lysis that he is an annoyance to Ctesippus and the others of their age group.

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0202 Lysis 204a

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/06/13

Socrates, using his god-given gift to recognize lusters and lusted, quickly ascertains that Hippothales is lusting after a younger boy in the wrestling school. Socrates' profession of ignorance with regard to all other things should be taken with a grain of salt, as should be the notion that a god was required to give Socrates the ability to deduce Hippothales' infatuation with someone.

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0201 Lysis 203a

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/06/06

The youths, including Hippothales and Ctesippus, are assmbled outside of a palaestra, where they spend time in words. During this introductory chat we come to appreciate one feature of Socratic dialectic, namely how Plato's Socrates sets up conversations in advance. We should not apply this feature to Socrates in every dialogue, but it is certainly a feature in the later early dialogues, and some middle ones (e.g., Hippias Minor, Hippias Major, Politeia, Phaedrus, Symposium - not in. e.g.,

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0200 Lysis 203a

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/05/30

Socrates says he was walking from Academy straight to Lyceum, but on the way encountered a crowd of youths. Is he about to be mugged under the city wall of Athens?

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0199 Io Conclusions 2 of 2

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/05/23

Socrates conceals his dialectic exercise with rhetoric and even eristics in an attempt to make Io, who enjoys listening to sophists (he says "you sophoi"), and consequently nice rhetorical stories such as the magnet analogy, actually consider what his rhapsodic techne is. It does include thousands of Homeric lines as subject matter, but this does not mean he is an expert (has the techne) regarding each subject talked about.I have not speculated in the podcast, but Plato may have written this

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0198 Io Conclusions 1 of 2

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/05/16

What the dialogue is not about.

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0197 Io 542a

The Plato Paradigm ·

2025/05/09

In this final section of the dialogue, Socrates provides Io with two options. Either Io has techne and refuses to divulge his sophia to Socrates, and is therefore doing wrong, or he has no techne but is divinely inspired. Should he choose to be considered unjust or divine?

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