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Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman

Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes

On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com

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Episode 99: Pain Magazine

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2025/09/23

Pain Magazine brings together the two musical worlds of industrial-techno duo Maelstrom & Louisahhh and post-hardcore three-piece Birds In Row. Violent God (out on the 3rd of October on Humus Records) is the musical child birthed of this dark union. As lyrically violent and menacing as the music is, Violent God has its moments of not exactly light, but a certain sonic respite that glimmers as shards amongst malevolent, industrial beats, jagged, icy guitars and electronic textures that by turns

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Episode 98: Chris Grigg (Ampwall, Woe, Glorious...

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2025/09/16

Multi-instrumentalist Chris Grigg has been involved in numerous musical projects over the past 20 years. Back in 2007 Chris started black-metal project Woe—first solo, before expanding to a full band.With Woe most recently releasing their fifth full-length, Legacies of Frailty, in 2023, Chris has also found time to feature as the drummer for death-metal group Glorious Depravity (the band soon to be releasing their second album, Death Never Sleeps, on Transcending Obscurity Records.)And if that's not

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Episode 97: Caroline Harrison

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2025/09/12

New York based artist and illustrator Caroline Harrison's work with underground and extreme bands and musicians goes back almost 15 years designing the logo and and various cover art for death metal group Pyrrhon, but her journey as a visual artist goes back much further than that. More recently (and including a decade working at the sadly now closed Saint Vitus Bar in Brooklyn) Caroline has created artwork for bands like Pig Destroyer, KEN mode and Chat Pile, applying her particular style blending

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Episode 96: Blake Fleming (Dazzling Killmen)

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2025/09/09

In a musical career that's spanned decades, many projects, several solo releases and becoming a published author Blake Fleming first made a name for himself in the 90s as the teenage drummer for post-hardcore group Dazzling Killmen. Having built an enduring relationship with SKiN GRAFT Records, the band split in 1995. Now 30 years later, as a new iteration of Dazzling Killmen gets back together (original members Blake, Nick Sakes and new recruits Ben Greenberg and Evan Jagles), SKiN GRAFT Records is

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Episode 95: The Silver Snails

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2025/09/02

Speed of Light (released this coming Friday) is the second album by psychedelic-pop-rock project The Silver Snails and a record a decade in the making. Recorded between Italy and Portland, Oregon, the record (like The Silver Snails itself) is tied to no one specific place—with the project's architect Lucas Ward having lived and drawn influences from all over the world. Lucas joins me to discuss the record, the involvement of his wife (and occasionally also their children) in The Silver Snails, their

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Episode 94: GUCK

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2025/08/26

Gucked Up (out this Friday on Three One G) is the debut album by LA noise-punk five-piece GUCK and fits right into the delightfully cacophonous musical world the label has curated, with bands like Deaf Club, F**k Money and Stress Positions.Vocalist April Gerloff and guitarist Chappy Hull join me to discuss the record, their musical backgrounds, April's history with Three One G founder Justin Pearson and their insights on booking shows and building a musical community.And on the topic of shows, GUCK

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Episode 93: Jon Fine (We Contain Multitudes)

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2025/08/20

Guitarist, editor and writer Jon Fine came up in the US indie-rock movement of the 1980s, most notably with rock trio B***h Magnet.In his engrossing memoir of a decade ago Your Band Sucks, Jon gives an entertaining and insightful look at how the indie-rock landscape evolved over those years and his part in it.Having at times extracted himself from an underground, DIY music world that doesn't always give back what is put into it, Fine is back and as energised as ever with his current

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Episode 92: King Yosef

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2025/08/12

Industrial-hardcore music-maker and producer King Yosef releases his great, second full-length record Spire of Fear this Friday and on the eve of the record's release returns to the podcast for a second visit.We discuss the making of the latest record, the pros and cons of working alone, how to book tours, Portland, forthcoming shows (including the second Bleakfest next month) and underground music scenes today.For all things ⁠King Yosef (including links to pre-order Spire of Fear)⁠Photo: Harper

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Episode 91: in this house of mourning (ITHOM)

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2025/08/05

New York City's in this house of mourning (ITHOM) represents the dark side of the project's mastermind Ben. Following 2022's penance EP, Enlèvement is a compellingly savage album, pulling from a range of extreme-metal sources. Dark, atmospheric and sinister. Ben joins me to discuss the album, its recording and some of his musical inspirations like Dragged Into Sunlight and Neurosis. Closing track: "Altar" Thanks to Kyle at Good Boy PR ⁠Buy Enlèvement⁠ Follow ⁠ITHOM on Instagram⁠ Check out my latest

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Episode 90: Greg Kubacki (Car Bomb)

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2025/07/29

Whether you want to call them experimental metal, or mathcore, or progressive metal, New York's Car Bomb don't sound quite like anyone else.Greg Kubacki has been delivering brain-melting guitar parts for the band for almost the entirety of Car Bomb's 25 year (and counting) history.With the band about to release their latest EP Tiles Whisper Dreams (Yes, I keep mispronouncing it all through the interview, apologies!!) Greg joins me to discuss their new music, reveal some of the mysteries of how they

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Episode 89: The Fremonts

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2025/07/22

Stephanie Dodd and Justin Badger didn't always plan to form an indie-folk-cabaret duo, but life can lead us on all kinds of unexpected journeys. In the case of Dodd it took her from Fremont, Nebraska, while for Badger Fremont, California was the starting point.And so where The Fremonts took there name from becomes clear. Friday sees the re-issue of We Don't Live There and The Failure Cabaret, the duo's first two albums, partially rerecorded to improve on certain aspects that Dodd and Badger weren't

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Episode 88: Hypomanic Daydream

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2025/07/18

Though you might, like me, be fooled at first listen into thinking that Hypomanic Daydream is a full band, it is in fact the creation of one person, Marie (AKA Manic Dream Girl).The Yearning (out today on Fiadh Productions) is an album of wildly creative metal that's very hard to describe. Maybe certain reference points like King Crimson, Demilich and Voivod can help to give some idea (although not a full picture) of what to expect.Marie and I discuss the album, how she developed her vocal style,

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Episode 87: doubleVee

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2025/07/15

Allan Vest and Barb [Hendrickson] Vest have been making music together as doubleVee since 2012. Creators of their own quirky indie-rock musical world, doubleVee release their latest EP Periscope at Midnight on the 25th of July.The EP opens with a reworking of track originally written and recorded by one of Allan's former bands Starlight Mints. This along with two more singles have been released so far (each with accompanying music videos).Allan and Barb join me to discuss the latest release, their

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Episode 86: Pili Coït

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2025/07/09

Pili Coït is at its core the musical duo (and couple) of Jessica Martin Maresco and Guilhem Meier. Almost immediately after meeting 19 years ago the pair started making music together.In 2017 with the creation of Pink Noise the musical entity of Pili Coït was born. Since then the duo have released Love Everywhere in 2021 and most recently a split EP with Yowie (both on SKiN GRAFT Records).For the latest release the pair have expanded to an eight-piece to become Pili Coït & Les Exocrines.Jessica

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Episode 85: Thymme Jones (Cheer-Accident)

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2025/07/04

If we are to follow official accounts, then Admission (released last week on SKiN GRAFT Records) is the 26th album by Chicago's Cheer-Accident. Word has it that the album may be the band's best ever. And while it would serve no one to get caught up in hyperbole, it is indeed a great album.Songwriter and multi-instrumentalist Thymme Jones has been at the helm of the band since its inception in 1981. How much could really be covered in one hour? Well, enough to discuss the latest record, the band's

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Episode 84: Monica Richards & Steve Willett (Strange...

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2025/07/01

While 31 years is a mere blink of the eye for the universe, for a band it's a long gap between records. For Washington DC's Strange Boutique their 1994 record The Kindest Worlds was very much intended, at the time, to be their final farewell—with the various members all going on to separate projects. With the passing of guitarist Fred Smith in 2017 singer Monica Richards and bassist Steve Willett found themselves together again, remembering their compatriot and their time together as Strange

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Episode 83: Charlie Werber (Lovely Little Girls,...

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2025/06/27

Drummer and composer Charlie Werber made his name in the 2010s applying his distinctive drumming skills to underground, Chicago rock bands like Lovely Little Girls. More recently, a little state-hopping saw Charlie involved in other intriguing musical projects like CHIROMANCER (alongside composer, pianist and singer Evelyn Davis) and The Flying Luttenbachers. The newly-released Krater (mastered by Todd Rittmann) sees Charlie release music under his own name for the first time—the album a dichotomy,

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Episode 82: Eugene S. Robinson & Xabier Iriondo (BUÑUEL)

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2025/06/24

Both singer Eugene S. Robinson and guitarist Xabier Iriondo have no shortage of credits in the world of music making and beyond. Together, however, they are one half of hard-rock four-piece BUÑUEL (alongside bassist David Haemery and drummer Frank Valente). October of last year saw the band's latest album Mansuetude co-released by SKiN GRAFT Records and OVERDRIVE Records. Today, as the band embark on their latest headlining North American tour in support of the record (with Today Is The Day,

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Episode 81: Todd Rittmann (U.S. Maple, Dead Rider)

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2025/06/20

When recounting the rich history of Chicago's weird and wonderful boundary-pushing rock bands, a special place will always be held by U.S. Maple.Comprising drummer Pat Samson, singer Al Johnson and guitarists Mark Shippy and Todd Rittmann, the band gave the world 12 years of their own unique brand of angular, idiosyncratic rock n roll before scattering in the wind.With SKiN GRAFT Records having last week put out a special vinyl and CD reissue of the debut U.S. Maple album Long Hair In Three Stages

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Episode 80: Arad Evans (The Whimbrels, Glenn Branca...

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2025/06/17

The Whimbrels brings together a group of musicians with an impressive art-rock pedigree, featuring former members of Glenn Branca Ensemble, Swans, J. Mascis & the Fog and many others besides.Arad Evans, one of the band's three guitarists (one of two vocalists and chief songwriter) joins me to discuss the group's forthcoming eponymous, debut record (an album full of inventive playing and memorable melodies), as we also get into some of his musical history and insights into how the band constructs

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