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Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman

Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes

On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com

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DIY Special: CODA

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2026/01/06

Back in September 2025, with the help of Dave Brenner of Earsplit PR, I put together a special 100th episode of Whatever Comes Next with eight different guests (including Dave). For this episode, I wanted to dedicate more of the time with my guests to getting their takes and insights on the music business—as it is for independent artists (whether from the position of touring and recording artists, producers, label owners or publicists).As a little extra, I thought it would be fun to ask each of my

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Episode 118: Howard Wuelfing

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/12/19

Howard Wuelfing started making music, and writing about it in the 70s, first in New Jersey and subsequently Washington D.C. where he found himself in the midst of the burgeoning local underground scene of that time.Descenes and Discords: An Anthology (out now on DiWulf Publishing) presents complete facsimiles of two important fanzines that Wuelfing edited and wrote for during this key time in U.S. DIY music history—including reviews, live reports, interviews and letters and early coverage of bands

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58:13

Episode 117: Non Serviam

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/12/16

The anonymous, Parisian duo of Void and Moon have been making wildly-creative, unclassifiable music together since 2021, though the history of the project goes back some years earlier. Over the past four years or so the duo have been remarkably prolific, putting out a series of releases as Non Serviam, Hiverlucide, Biollante and Néant—collaborating with various other artists along the way and blending electro, noise, black metal, sludge, goth rock and industrial music into their own particular

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53:47

Episode 116: Breaths

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/12/12

Around five years ago multi-instrumentalist Jason Roberts started Breaths—a solo project that incorporates various styles and elements and can dramatically shift in sound from one release to the next.Keeping things simple, Jason refers to what he creates as “heavy music”, but listeners may hear traces of Deftones, Cult of Luna, desert rock and nu metal (just as a few examples).Violescent, the latest album by Breaths (out today on Fiadh Productions) was originally intended as the debut release of a

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Episode 115: Shane Embury (Dark Sky Burial, Napalm...

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/12/09

Most well known as the long-standing bass player for grindcore pioneers Napalm Death, Shane Embury is a prolific artist whose fascination with experimental and underground music transcends any genre pigeonholing.Dark Sky Burial is a project Embury brought into being during the years of the Covid pandemic and one musically inspired by atmospheric, electronic acts like Coil and Dead Can Dance.Running parallel to Embury’s recent music-making under the Dark Sky Burial name, the musician has been

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Episode 114: Guinevere Sylvain (Wyrmoon)

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/12/05

Today marks the release of Wyrmoon II the second full-length album by Maine black metal group Wyrmoon. The band’s vocalist, guitarist, songwriter and founder Guinevere Sylvain joins me to discuss the record, songwriting, the band’s origins, stories from the road and music in the digital age. Closing track: “Sickle Knife Devotion” (Fiadh Productions, 2025) Thanks to Bariann at Fiadh Buy Wyrmoon II on ⁠vinyl⁠ ⁠/ Cassette⁠ ⁠Follow Wyrmoon⁠ Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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56:12

Episode 113: Rich Griffith (The Balboas)

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/12/03

The story of The Balboas stretches back across several decades. It’s a story that intertwines with surf-guitar legend Dick Dale—while on the band’s latest record, Bite! Blood! Repeat! (out this Friday on Burn N’ Surf Records), the groups spiritual bond with the movies of Quentin Tarantino is even more firmly cemented with the feature of The 5678s (who appeared in Kill Bill). This latest record features many other notable collaborations, including Mike Watt and Paul Roessler.Rich Griffith joins me to

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Episode 112: OvO

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/11/28

Italian duo Bruno Dorella and Stefania Pedretti have been making avant-garde electro-rock music together as OvO for twenty five years. The electro-industrial Gemma is the pair’s latest album (out now on Artoffact Records).Bruno and Stefania join me to discuss the record, magic, ritual, growing up in Italy, their time living and performing in squats and their thoughts on the digital age in music.Closing track: “Opale” feat. Lord Spokeheart (Artoffact Records, 2025)Photo by Annapaola MartinThanks for

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52:43

Episode 111: Mellowdeath

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/11/26

Dark, instrumental, jazz-rock duo Mellowdeath are Sara Neidorf and Isabel Merten.Sara and Isabel join me to discuss their debut, self-titled album (out now on Cruel Nature Records), the origins of the band, the visuals and artwork, playing live, the realities of touring and their plans for 2026.Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PRAlbum art by Chloe GroveBuy the album:⁠digital⁠⁠cassette⁠Follow Mellowdeath on ⁠Instagram⁠Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out my latest album

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52:40

Episode 110: Bill Dickson (Rousers)

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/11/21

In 1979 singer Jeff Buckland, rhythm guitarist Bill Dickson, bassist John Hannah, lead guitarist Tom Milmore, and drummer Jerid O’Connell entered a recording studio for a session overseen by Ed Stasium (producer and engineer for bands like Talking Heads and Motörhead) and recorded a great set of rock n’ roll songs. Surely fame and fortune was right around the corner? Except that recording session never saw the light of day, until a few weeks ago when 1979 Sire Session was finally released to the

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Episode 109: Martin Atkins (PiL, Killing Joke, Pigface)

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/11/18

Having been a member of iconic post-punk and industrial bands like PiL, Killing Joke and Pigface, while also playing for NIN and Ministry (just to mention a few notable names), it wouldn’t be hyperbole to call Martin Atkins a living legend of underground music... so let’s do that. This November 28th and 29th will see Reggies, Chicago host ‘Martin Atkins Presents: Killing Joke’s Extremities’ where the drummer and a stellar cast from the musical underground (including Randy Blythe, Justin Pearson and

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Episode 108: Veilburner

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/11/11

I’ve been an avid follower of all things Veilburner ever since I first became aware of the extreme-metal duo around the time of their 2019 release A Sire to the Ghouls of Lunacy.That was album number four and now as Mephisto Deleterio and Chrisom Infernium (or Dave and Chris as they are without the masks) join me for the second time on Whatever Comes Next (the first time being episode 42) we are just a few days away from the release of their eighth album, Longing for Triumph, Reeking of Tragedy (out

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Episode 107: Ailise Blake

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/11/04

Ailise Blake makes music that’s hard to categorise, but grabbed me from the moment I put on her latest record Soave (out this Friday on These Hands Melt).Interconnected with her practices in ceremonial magick, Soave is a highly evocative and atmospheric record, built around voice and guitar, but filled with a range of other instrumentation, to dark, dreamy and beguiling effect.Ali and I discuss the unique circumstances and setting that the album was created in, magick, inspiration, touring and the

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Episode 106: Urlo (THE MON, Ufomammut)

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/10/28

THE MON is the solo project of Urlo—bassist, vocalist and synth player of heavy psychedelic rock band Ufomammut, as well as being a core part of Supernatural Cat and Malleus. Songs of Abandon (out on the 7th of November on Supernatural Cat and the first in a two part concept to be followed by Songs of Embrace in 2026) is the latest record from THE MON and one with an unusual story—as well as being uniquely acoustic-guitar driven compared to Urlo’s other releases (both as THE MON and with Ufomammut)

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Episode 105: Chris Pervelis (Internal Bleeding)

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/10/21

Since forming the band in the early 90s guitarist Chris Pervelis has remained consistent in his vision for the hard-hitting death metal unit Internal Bleeding. Through the years the band have had creative highs, numerous line-up changes, and survived tragedy and shady business dealings. Out of all of this comes the band’s latest record Settle All Scores (out now on Maggot Stomp) with Internal Bleeding sounding as fresh, fired-up and visceral as ever. Chris joins me to discuss the record, his musical

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49:43

Clément Duboscq (Vous Connaissez ? PR)

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/10/14

Five years ago life-long music devotee Clément Duboscq decided to take some of his experience as a music writer and musician and start his own micro-agency Vous Connaissez ? PR, representing bands and artists in France and further afield.Not so long after Clément’s move into music PR, he and I worked together on the Non Serviam/ Gobscrew collaboration Biollante and their album ⁠J’Espère Que Tu Danseras Quelque Part ⁠Clément continues to represent a range of artists across the musical underground,

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58:03

Episode 103: Gridfailure

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/10/10

Gridfailure is Dave Brenner, but just as it’s hard to put a simple genre tag on this music that combines noise, jazz, folk and numerous other elements, the creative inputs that feed one Gridfailure release or another can be manifold. On the project’s latest release Sixth Mass-Extinction Skulduggery III (out now on Nefarious Industries) Brenner brings in a host of collaborators, including Today Is The Day’s Steve Austin, Leila Abdul-Rauf, Mac Gollehon, Greg Meisenberg and many others. Dave and I

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51:11

Episode 102: -ii- [Two Eyes]

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/10/07

At it’s core -ii- [Two Eyes] is Hélène Ruzic and Benjamin Racine. Since 2018 the duo have been crafting their unique, dark blend of industrial, shoegaze, alternative, ritualistic music.Complemented on their latest album Apostles of the Flesh by Maxime Keller (bass, synths, prepared piano) and David L’Huillier (drums, percussions), Hélène and Benjamin join me to discuss the album, their music, their visual inspirations and the state of the music business for independent artists in France

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50:08

Episode 101: Yowie

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/10/03

What is Yowie? The simple answer is that they’re an instrumental three-piece of drums and two guitars. Once you start trying to describe the music however, this is where the fun starts. My characterisation of listening to Taking Umbrage (the band’s new album, out today on SKiN GRAFT Records) is that it’s like the world has turned into Play-Doh and it’s swirling in a whirlpool that’s being fed through a meat grinder. Perhaps it’s best we turn to drummer and founding member Shawn “Defenestrator”

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148:46

Episode 100: DIY Special

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/09/30

For episode 100 of Whatever Comes Next I wanted to do something special and thanks to Dave Brenner at Earsplit PR I was able to put this multi-interview episode discussion of DIY music together.My guests have decades of experience in the musical underground in pretty much any dimension of getting music out there you can imagine.I talk in turn with Dave Brenner (Earsplit PR/ Gridfailure), Greg Meisenberg (Nefarious Industries / A F*****g Elephant), Steve Austin (Today Is The Day / Supernova Records),

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