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Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman

Getting to know the music makers out on the fringes

On Whatever Comes Next I explore the world of independent and underground music making. I talk with music makers, producers and label owners to hear their stories. I like music with a sense of mystery. I like surprises and unique stories... and noise... and weirdness... and darkness... and I want to learn more. tomosman.substack.com

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Episode 125: AIDS Wolf

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2026/03/03

In 2012 Chloë Lum, Yannick Desranleau and Alex Moskos played their last shows together as AIDS Wolf. They took their gear down to La Brique studios in Montréal and with engineer Sébastien Fournier recorded their final four tracks together as AIDS Wolf. Fast forward 14 years and those tracks are finally seeing the light of day as Harsh Human Style, released this Friday on SKiN GRAFT Records. Why the long wait? Well, conveniently Yannick, Alex and Chloë all join me to discuss just that. Well, not just

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59:10

Episode 124: Blunt Knife Castration

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2026/02/24

Blunt Knife Castration is an extreme-metal project born out of a fascination with 70s/80s horror movies, a botched surgery and the shadow of the Covid pandemic.Blood & Oil, released this Friday on Remorseless Records is the third release from Simon Bryant under the Blunt Knife Castration name—Simon handling all the playing and recording, with the project being a solo venture up till now. Currently Simon is in the midst of rehearsing with two newly-recruited members, the intention being to take Blunt

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Episode 123: Steve Mattos (THERE, Arab On Radar)

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2026/02/17

First rising to prominence in underground circles with neo-no-wave group Arab On Radar in the mid-90s, guitarist Steve Mattos has been involved in a number of notable musical projects over the past three decades. Most recently Steve has been making music as part of THERE, a psychedelic, noise-rock four-piece based in Providence, Rhode Island, where Steve was born. Also featuring former members of notable Rhode Island groups like Daughters and The Chinese Stars, THERE recently released their debut,

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102:09

Episode 122: Dan Volohov (Discipline PR)

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2026/02/11

2026 marks the five-year anniversary of Discipline PR, the agency founded by former Ohm Resistance head of PR, Dan Volohov. Catering to musicians and bands across all genres, Dan and Discipline PR have been serving the underground, DIY music world with heart, enthusiasm and creativity since their inception in 2021.With Dan being so embedded in the musical underground it should be no surprise that Discipline PR has had a hand in many of the projects that have been highlighted on this here podcast

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Episode 121: Luxury Skin

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2026/02/04

Luxury Skin is a musical creation both beautiful and dissonant, elegant and ominous. Last week saw the release of “Die Waiting”, the latest Luxury Skin single and a teaser for the as-yet unnamed follow-up to debut album It’s All Over from 2023. Juliet E. Gordon is the creator of this musical world and she joins me to discuss Luxury Skin and her former band The Classical, and share her insights on writing, recording, touring and the meaning behind some of her songs. Closing track: “Die Waiting”

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49:35

Episode 120: Stress Spells

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2026/01/28

Jack Carino, Jillian Keats, Adam Kaniper, and Kevin Henson are no novices to the musical underground—having all been involved in various different projects. Together as Stress Spells the four create an intense, anxiety-inducing barrage of slicing, interweaving guitars, jerking grooves and impassioned vocals. Hearts Never Tire is the band’s debut full-length and will be released digitally and on vinyl through Fuzz Records on the 6th of February. Jack, Jill, Adam and Kevin join me to discuss the

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Episode 119: Robert Deeble

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2026/01/20

Never one for rushing his music, Robert Deeble’s latest record The Space Between Us follows up his last full length record Beloved from 2017. A lot has happened in the world since then. In his thoughtful, lyrical way Deeble reflects on the state of the world around him and its impact on human relationships. The Space Between Us is also a record that continues Deeble’s fascination with pulling from literary sources to construct his delicately beautiful songs. In this conversation we discuss Deeble’s

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46:25

DIY Special: CODA

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2026/01/06

Back in September 2025, with the help of Dave Brenner of Earsplit PR, I put together a special 100th episode of Whatever Comes Next with eight different guests (including Dave). For this episode, I wanted to dedicate more of the time with my guests to getting their takes and insights on the music business—as it is for independent artists (whether from the position of touring and recording artists, producers, label owners or publicists).As a little extra, I thought it would be fun to ask each of my

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Episode 118: Howard Wuelfing

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/12/19

Howard Wuelfing started making music, and writing about it in the 70s, first in New Jersey and subsequently Washington D.C. where he found himself in the midst of the burgeoning local underground scene of that time.Descenes and Discords: An Anthology (out now on DiWulf Publishing) presents complete facsimiles of two important fanzines that Wuelfing edited and wrote for during this key time in U.S. DIY music history—including reviews, live reports, interviews and letters and early coverage of bands

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58:13

Episode 117: Non Serviam

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2025/12/16

The anonymous, Parisian duo of Void and Moon have been making wildly-creative, unclassifiable music together since 2021, though the history of the project goes back some years earlier. Over the past four years or so the duo have been remarkably prolific, putting out a series of releases as Non Serviam, Hiverlucide, Biollante and Néant—collaborating with various other artists along the way and blending electro, noise, black metal, sludge, goth rock and industrial music into their own particular

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53:47

Episode 116: Breaths

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/12/12

Around five years ago multi-instrumentalist Jason Roberts started Breaths—a solo project that incorporates various styles and elements and can dramatically shift in sound from one release to the next.Keeping things simple, Jason refers to what he creates as “heavy music”, but listeners may hear traces of Deftones, Cult of Luna, desert rock and nu metal (just as a few examples).Violescent, the latest album by Breaths (out today on Fiadh Productions) was originally intended as the debut release of a

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Episode 115: Shane Embury (Dark Sky Burial, Napalm...

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2025/12/09

Most well known as the long-standing bass player for grindcore pioneers Napalm Death, Shane Embury is a prolific artist whose fascination with experimental and underground music transcends any genre pigeonholing.Dark Sky Burial is a project Embury brought into being during the years of the Covid pandemic and one musically inspired by atmospheric, electronic acts like Coil and Dead Can Dance.Running parallel to Embury’s recent music-making under the Dark Sky Burial name, the musician has been

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Episode 114: Guinevere Sylvain (Wyrmoon)

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2025/12/05

Today marks the release of Wyrmoon II the second full-length album by Maine black metal group Wyrmoon. The band’s vocalist, guitarist, songwriter and founder Guinevere Sylvain joins me to discuss the record, songwriting, the band’s origins, stories from the road and music in the digital age. Closing track: “Sickle Knife Devotion” (Fiadh Productions, 2025) Thanks to Bariann at Fiadh Buy Wyrmoon II on ⁠vinyl⁠ ⁠/ Cassette⁠ ⁠Follow Wyrmoon⁠ Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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56:12

Episode 113: Rich Griffith (The Balboas)

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2025/12/03

The story of The Balboas stretches back across several decades. It’s a story that intertwines with surf-guitar legend Dick Dale—while on the band’s latest record, Bite! Blood! Repeat! (out this Friday on Burn N’ Surf Records), the groups spiritual bond with the movies of Quentin Tarantino is even more firmly cemented with the feature of The 5678s (who appeared in Kill Bill). This latest record features many other notable collaborations, including Mike Watt and Paul Roessler.Rich Griffith joins me to

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Episode 112: OvO

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2025/11/28

Italian duo Bruno Dorella and Stefania Pedretti have been making avant-garde electro-rock music together as OvO for twenty five years. The electro-industrial Gemma is the pair’s latest album (out now on Artoffact Records).Bruno and Stefania join me to discuss the record, magic, ritual, growing up in Italy, their time living and performing in squats and their thoughts on the digital age in music.Closing track: “Opale” feat. Lord Spokeheart (Artoffact Records, 2025)Photo by Annapaola MartinThanks for

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52:43

Episode 111: Mellowdeath

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2025/11/26

Dark, instrumental, jazz-rock duo Mellowdeath are Sara Neidorf and Isabel Merten.Sara and Isabel join me to discuss their debut, self-titled album (out now on Cruel Nature Records), the origins of the band, the visuals and artwork, playing live, the realities of touring and their plans for 2026.Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PRAlbum art by Chloe GroveBuy the album:⁠digital⁠⁠cassette⁠Follow Mellowdeath on ⁠Instagram⁠Support the show and get bonus content at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Check out my latest album

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Episode 110: Bill Dickson (Rousers)

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2025/11/21

In 1979 singer Jeff Buckland, rhythm guitarist Bill Dickson, bassist John Hannah, lead guitarist Tom Milmore, and drummer Jerid O’Connell entered a recording studio for a session overseen by Ed Stasium (producer and engineer for bands like Talking Heads and Motörhead) and recorded a great set of rock n’ roll songs. Surely fame and fortune was right around the corner? Except that recording session never saw the light of day, until a few weeks ago when 1979 Sire Session was finally released to the

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59:24

Episode 109: Martin Atkins (PiL, Killing Joke, Pigface)

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2025/11/18

Having been a member of iconic post-punk and industrial bands like PiL, Killing Joke and Pigface, while also playing for NIN and Ministry (just to mention a few notable names), it wouldn’t be hyperbole to call Martin Atkins a living legend of underground music... so let’s do that. This November 28th and 29th will see Reggies, Chicago host ‘Martin Atkins Presents: Killing Joke’s Extremities’ where the drummer and a stellar cast from the musical underground (including Randy Blythe, Justin Pearson and

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Episode 108: Veilburner

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/11/11

I’ve been an avid follower of all things Veilburner ever since I first became aware of the extreme-metal duo around the time of their 2019 release A Sire to the Ghouls of Lunacy.That was album number four and now as Mephisto Deleterio and Chrisom Infernium (or Dave and Chris as they are without the masks) join me for the second time on Whatever Comes Next (the first time being episode 42) we are just a few days away from the release of their eighth album, Longing for Triumph, Reeking of Tragedy (out

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Episode 107: Ailise Blake

Whatever Comes Next with Tom Osman ·

2025/11/04

Ailise Blake makes music that’s hard to categorise, but grabbed me from the moment I put on her latest record Soave (out this Friday on These Hands Melt).Interconnected with her practices in ceremonial magick, Soave is a highly evocative and atmospheric record, built around voice and guitar, but filled with a range of other instrumentation, to dark, dreamy and beguiling effect.Ali and I discuss the unique circumstances and setting that the album was created in, magick, inspiration, touring and the

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